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SMEARED O HAS 'CROSS' WORDS
NY Post ^ | 3/3/08 | By GEOFF EARLE

Posted on 03/03/2008 8:45:03 AM PST by tomnbeverly

March 3, 2008 -- TOLEDO, Ohio - Barack Obama yesterday lashed out at political enemies who are spreading false rumors that he's a closet Muslim as he proclaimed, "I pray to Jesus every night."

"I am a devout Christian," he told voters in this key state.

"I pray to Jesus every night and try to go to church as much as I can."

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackhusseinobama; blackseparatism; blacktheology; chebama; cultofobama; hussein; jeremiahwright; nobama; obama
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From the ariticle "Trying to reassure voters yesterday, Obama told the audience in rural Nelsonville that they would feel right at home in his church in Chicago."

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Is that true would the good people of Nelsonville feel right at home in Obama's church...

Are there many Caucasions in Trinity Church of Christ, Maybe the Press should do their job and poll them on what they know about Obama's church in Chicago i.e., do they know about the Black values system?

Or is this just more of the Obama feel good rhetoric ..

of the if I believe in it then it is good for all of US, I follow a Progressive Liberal agenda and that is what We want for America, because we are tired of the Conservatives led by George W. Bush screwing everything up and so it is our time because we are the ones that we are waiting for and I have a dream that one day everyone will understand that Progressive liberals are the victims and that divisiveness from all that we stand for is the fault of the Conservatives in D.C. and if they do not agree with us we will take them by the hand and show them how they are wrong and we are right and it is what we want to change and if they continue to be divisive and intolerant we will label them hate filled and bigots, racists and thus silence them and it will truly be our time...

1 posted on 03/03/2008 8:45:04 AM PST by tomnbeverly
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To: tomnbeverly

No he is not if he believes the Sermon on the Mount condones sodomites. He is a liar.


2 posted on 03/03/2008 8:49:48 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: tomnbeverly
On February 27th, 2007, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the  Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim.  This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies -- and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the world.

Original New York Times source -- requires LogIn.

The Obama File
3 posted on 03/03/2008 8:50:46 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: tomnbeverly
Trinity Church of Christ

??????????????????

This is not Obama's Church.

Please be careful that you don't mis-identify a Church of Christ with a Universal Church of Christ.

Huge difference.

4 posted on 03/03/2008 8:51:23 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: tomnbeverly
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5 posted on 03/03/2008 8:52:18 AM PST by egginanest ( "Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you." -Winston Churchill-)
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To: tomnbeverly

I sincerely doubt this.

Obama belongs to what Flannery O’Connor calls “The Church of Christ without Christ” in her novel, “A Good Man is Hard to Find.”

No Church of Jesus Christ sponsors partial birth and born alive abortions—actually performs them for profit in their hospital subsidiary.


6 posted on 03/03/2008 8:54:24 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: tomnbeverly

If Bush had said that he would be condemned by the left for being a religious zealot whack job.


7 posted on 03/03/2008 8:54:36 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: tomnbeverly

As I traveled through Muslim countries at the end of 2007, I was intrigued that Muslims to pray to Jesus, they refer to him as Isa, many Mosques are built in the Name, and when they get sick, they pray to Isa, Jesus. So, Louis Farrakhan also is a Christian-Muslim. A true Hyphenated American. In double sense.. African-American, and yeah, there are Mennonite-Buddhists, and Lesbians for Jesus. This is getting to be a crazy world.


8 posted on 03/03/2008 8:54:50 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: Responsibility2nd

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703010012

Then you better get informed because you are wrong... He belongs to the Trinity United Church of Christ and his pastor is Jeremiah Wright look at the web site for trinity that I gave you..http://www.tucc.org/home.htm

Trinity United Church of Chirst

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256078,00.html

Do you disagree with the assessment?


9 posted on 03/03/2008 8:57:47 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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To: tomnbeverly
“Are there many Caucasions in Trinity Church of Christ?”

Nope, there aren’t any.

10 posted on 03/03/2008 8:58:46 AM PST by Melinda
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To: tomnbeverly
Obama himself was never a Muslim and has been a member of the same Christian church for the last 20 years.

Well, this is an out-and-out lie. Obama was born a Muslim and grew up a Muslim, was identified on the school rolls as a Muslim, studied the Koran, and attended services in a mosque.

This is much like the problems I had with Mitt Romney. I might have believed him if he had admitted "I said that then, but I believe this now." Instead he repeatedly lied about what he had said and done earlier. That pretty much removes any credibility.

But with Obama the matter is far more serious. If he is flat out lying about his past, then he can be presumed to be lying about his present. Ergo, he IS a Muslim. Because this is precisely what Muslims are taught to do: lie, lie, and lie to the Infidels.

I don't know why on earth this writer for the post is saying that Obama was never a Muslim as if it were a fact, rather than an assertion by Obama that is KNOWN to be false.

11 posted on 03/03/2008 9:00:52 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I heard a caller on Rush last week say that on page 80 of Obama’s book...IIRC it was ‘Audacity of Hope’...that O says the only way for the black man and the white man to be reconciled is for both to convert to islam. Does anyone have his book? Is this true?


12 posted on 03/03/2008 9:01:36 AM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: tomnbeverly
Me thinks that Barack ("Peace Be Upon His Middle No Name") Obama doth protest too much.

20182904

This is NOT "our bible"--not now, not ever!!!

13 posted on 03/03/2008 9:02:13 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
I get into this a bit here.
14 posted on 03/03/2008 9:03:27 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Lee'sGhost

He didn’t and he is still called that/// LOL ... Liberal Hypocrisy knows no bounds... and exactly how does Barry plan of hurtling this bipartisan divide in D.C...

If he becomes President does he think that the Republicans and Conservatives are going to bend over as he rams a socialist Progressive liberal agenda down our throats...

Oh thats right our freedom of speech will be the first thing to go...

Of course because anyone questioning his obamaness will be labeled as racist, bigot, intolerant.. because what other motives could there be when his message is so pure...

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth typing that... yuck!!


15 posted on 03/03/2008 9:05:24 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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To: tomnbeverly

They are different churches entirely. Anyone making the argument in a Church of Christ (below) that the Sermon on the Mount justified homosexual marriage would be politely, but firmly, shown the door.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churches_of_Christ


16 posted on 03/03/2008 9:05:49 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: tomnbeverly

“I ... try to go to church as much as I can.”


If her were a republican, we’d have the media working to get photos of him every Sunday “trying to go to church” (on the golf course, drinking with friends, windsurfing, etc.)


17 posted on 03/03/2008 9:06:18 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don’t kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: tomnbeverly
"I pray to Jesus every night and try to go to church as much as I can."

And Jesus is telling you to support patial birth abortion? He must be praying to someone else.

18 posted on 03/03/2008 9:07:52 AM PST by subterfuge (Obama will NOT get the nomination.)
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To: Melinda

Ding, Ding, DIng... So exactly how at home would all the good people of nelsonville OH feel at Obama’s church?

His words are hypnotic poison and flat out lies.


19 posted on 03/03/2008 9:07:58 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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To: tomnbeverly; Responsibility2nd

I take it the “United” in the name of the church is significant.


20 posted on 03/03/2008 9:08:04 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: tumblindice

Exactly my point was that Obama told the People of Nelsonville OH that they would feel quite at home in his church...

His Church is a black values system, black seperatist movement church... So who in nelsonville was he talking too...

His lies are paper thin and the press gives him a pass.


21 posted on 03/03/2008 9:10:39 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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To: Theo

Got it but my point was much broader... Barrack Hussein Obama’s specific church is a black values system church that supports a black seperatist mentality... Would all the people of Nelsonville OH feel nice and comfortable attenting that church? Obama said they would... The press never even canvassed them and asked what they knew about Obama’s church...

If Obama going to be President of all Americans or just the Black ones?


22 posted on 03/03/2008 9:12:59 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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To: tomnbeverly
Prays to Jesus every night, huh? God forbid he should actually read what Jesus said about faith and understand it.

A passage from "The Screwtape Letters comes to mind:

"I have known cases where what the patient called his "God" was actually located—up and to the left at the corner of the bedroom ceiling, or inside his own head, or in a crucifix on the wall.

But whatever the nature of the composite object, you must keep him praying to it—to the thing that he has made, not to the Person who has made him. You may even encourage him to attach great importance to the correction and improvement of his composite object, and to keeping it steadily before his imagination during the whole prayer."

23 posted on 03/03/2008 9:13:45 AM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: tomnbeverly


Also in the Post today:

'BARACK'-LASH BY JEWS: DOV
24 posted on 03/03/2008 9:16:46 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Cicero

Was he a Muslim who has now converted to Christianity? If so, does that make him an apostate to Islam?

What is the penalty in Islam for apostasy?


25 posted on 03/03/2008 9:17:07 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: tomnbeverly
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

26 posted on 03/03/2008 9:18:06 AM PST by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: tomnbeverly
I would vote for a black man...Clarence Thomas.
I would vote for a woman...Ann Coulter.
I would vote for a black woman...Condoleza Rice.
27 posted on 03/03/2008 9:19:10 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: BibChr
"I get into this a bit here.

Thanks. A good read.

I was under the impression that any mention of "God," the Bible, or anything religious, in conjunction with politics and especially, elections, was verboten.

Oh yeah, that only applies to Conservatives and Republicans--not necessarily one and the same, by the way.

28 posted on 03/03/2008 9:19:20 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: Beckwith

bttt


29 posted on 03/03/2008 9:21:17 AM PST by petercooper (Sure, Americans don't want Muslims running a couple U.S. ports, but they're fine with a Muslim Prez.)
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To: tomnbeverly

**”I am a devout Christian,” he told voters in this key state.

“I pray to Jesus every night and try to go to church as much as I can.”**

No, he isn’t a devout Christian. The Ten Commandedments tell us to keep holy the Lord’s Day.

So.....................if he only goes to church “when he can”, he doesn’t keep this Commandment.

He also has some other reckoning to do.

“Thou shalt not kill.” Then why does he support all forms of abortion and euthanasia?

He will not be able to lecture God at the moment of his death when he finds out that he was headed in the wrong direction all his life and caused others to sin by voting for him.


30 posted on 03/03/2008 9:21:53 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Sigurdrifta
What is the penalty in Islam for apostasy?

Death. Any Muslim who converts in a Muslim country is at considerable risk of death. If a Muslim converts in a western country, their friends and family are likely to kill them, but it can be possible to get away with it if other Muslims don't know about it.

But if a prominent Muslim offends in this way, a fatwah will be issued against him, as was done with Salman Rushdie. And who could be more prominent in his supposed "conversion" than Barack Hussein Obama? They can't necessarily kill him, because he's surrounded by Secret Service agents and police, but they would certainly threaten to do so.

So the question arises, why hasn't a fatwah been issued against him? Why aren't his family disowning him? I think the answer is becoming clearer and clearer as the facts emerge.

31 posted on 03/03/2008 9:23:18 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: tomnbeverly

Ah. My comment was a wink to spell check. But I’ll take the ding, ding, ding too. ;)


32 posted on 03/03/2008 9:23:26 AM PST by Melinda
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To: tomnbeverly

...I would never vote for a Liberal, “Progressive”, Lefty, Socialist, whiney, Internationalist, European, stealth-Islamist, stealth-reparations male.


33 posted on 03/03/2008 9:24:11 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: tomnbeverly

...I would never vote for a Liberal, “Progressive”, Lefty, Socialist, whiney, Internationalist, European, stealth-Islamist, stealth-reparations male.


34 posted on 03/03/2008 9:24:16 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: tomnbeverly
While of the opinion that Obama is definitely not an Islamist sleeper agent, will note that a devout Christian would not be pro-abortion.

He's probably the same-old, same-old agnostic politician that his many political brethren are.

35 posted on 03/03/2008 9:24:36 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: tomnbeverly

Please proof-read your posts and my reply before calling me wrong.

Let me spell it out for you as simply as I can.

There is a difference between a Trinity Church of Christ (your post #1)(whatever and wherever that is) and Obama’s Church; the Trinity United Church of Christ.

Do you understand now?


36 posted on 03/03/2008 9:26:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: tomnbeverly
Obama had a dream to? Well I know he supports the DREAM act...*SHRUG*
37 posted on 03/03/2008 9:26:24 AM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: rovenstinez

Muslims are supposed to recognize Jesus as a prophet, and even recognize the virgin birth. However, they are not Christians because of this.


38 posted on 03/03/2008 9:26:30 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Beckwith
Lord I can't wait til this ear-piercing cacophony is spread far and wide, five times a day, across flyover country.

http://www.balaams-ass.com/alhaj/calltoprayer.htm

In case you like to sing along with the link, here's the words:

Allah u Akbar, Allah u Akbar
Ash-hadu al-la Ilaha ill Allah - Ash-hadu al-la Ilaha ill Allah
Ash-hadu anna Muhammadan Rasulullaah
Ash-hadu anna Muhammadan Rasulullaah.
Hayya la-s-saleah - Hayya la-s-saleah
Hayya la-l-faleah - Hayya la-l-faleah
Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar
La Ilaha ill Allah

39 posted on 03/03/2008 9:26:36 AM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: endthematrix

Too, two, 2, lol


40 posted on 03/03/2008 9:28:23 AM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: 50sDad
I would vote for a black man...Clarence Thomas.
I would vote for a woman...Ann Coulter. I would vote for a black woman...Condoleza Rice.

Well, two outta three ain't bad, Dad.
41 posted on 03/03/2008 9:32:51 AM PST by mkjessup (Famous 'Rat Initials: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ .... to be followed by *B.O.* ?!? - I don't think so!! LOL)
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To: tomnbeverly

Dateline: TOLEDO, Ohio.

I see he used the opportunity to talk about his religion thus avoiding talking about the Toledo slam against the Marines.


42 posted on 03/03/2008 9:34:21 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: tomnbeverly

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Prhnc2fxAzg


43 posted on 03/03/2008 9:34:35 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: Beelzebubba
If her were a republican, we’d have the media working to get photos of him every Sunday “trying to go to church” (on the golf course, drinking with friends, windsurfing, etc.)

Yeah, that's why we had all those photo essays of George W Bush and Reagan not attending services.

44 posted on 03/03/2008 9:34:59 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Sigurdrifta

I think the bottom line to that is do the Radical Muslims our enemies believe that he is an apostate?

If his father was muslim by his own admission the Radical Muslims believe that the fathers son inherits his faith so Obama is a Muslim to them.

If Obama claims he is a Christian then to the Muslims he becomes a Murtadd, Apostate and according to the Quran... Muhammad said “man baddala Dinahu faqtuluhu” (Whosoever changes his religion, Kill him.

Would’nt Obama as CINC mean to the Radical Islamists that their Killing of American soldiers takes on a religious connotation?

Could it be argued then logically that an Obama Presidency would make America less safe?

Wonder where the NY Times is with this story... and no wonder why Obama wants it kept under wraps.


45 posted on 03/03/2008 9:36:27 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes I said so in subsequent post... My broader point was regarding the comment to the people that they would feel right at home in his church...

I also provided links...


46 posted on 03/03/2008 9:38:37 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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To: 50sDad
I would vote for a black man...Clarence Thomas.
I would vote for a woman...Ann Coulter.
I would vote for a black woman...Condoleza Rice
Janice Rogers Brown.

There, much better...

47 posted on 03/03/2008 9:38:50 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: tomnbeverly
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

Blacks only and whites only pews?

Or no whites allowed?

What form of Christian worship is this?

48 posted on 03/03/2008 9:51:48 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: tomnbeverly

My question was rhetorical to some extent, since I have feared for some time that we are being led down a primrose path, especially given the nature of “taqqiya”.

I hate getting into the business of conspiracy theories, since so much of that seems utterly insane, but you have to wonder why none of this has been pointed out by the religious authorities and so-called “guardians of the faith” (Islam, that is).


49 posted on 03/03/2008 9:56:22 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Obama said the good people of Nelsonville OH would feel right at home in his church....

I call him a liar... the Press gives him a pass.... The GOP sits in fear of the NAACP coming after them...

What a mess this world is in.


50 posted on 03/03/2008 9:58:54 AM PST by tomnbeverly (All Ideologues are idiots.)
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