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William F. Buckley’s ‘Conservative Movement’ Still-Born, Dead-On-Arrival, Because it Was Godless...
The American View ^ | 3/3/2008 | John Lofton ("recovering Republican, recovering conservative")

Posted on 03/03/2008 1:57:22 PM PST by Jim Robinson

William F. Buckley’s ‘Conservative Movement’ Still-Born, Dead-On-Arrival, Decades Ago, Because it Was Godless, Against Christ, Ignored God’s Word

Contact: John Lofton, 301-873-4612, 410-760-8885, JLof@aol.com

MEDIA ADVISORY, March 3 /Christian Newswire/ — Recovering Republican John Lofton, Editor of TheAmericanView.com and co-host of “The American View” radio show with the Constitution Party’s 2004 Presidential candidate Michael Anthony Peroutka, has issued the following statement:

“Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.” – Psalm 127.

The Lord Jesus Christ did not build the “conservative movement” house. Thus, it was a house built on sand, it fell and great has been the fall of it, a recent example of this fall being the “conservative movement’s” support for President of George W. Bush who has given us the most Godless, unconstitutional, debt-ridden, big spending Federal Government in our history.

Even though most of its “leaders” claimed to be Christians, the “conservative movement” was dead-on-arrival because, from the beginning, it’s political plan was Godless, against Christ, and ignored the Bible. This “movement” vainly imagined succeeding without honoring Christ, succeeding through bread-alone, flesh-and-blood-only-politics when God tells us the REAL battle is a spiritual war which must be fought in the full-armor of God (Ephesians 6:10ff).

An example of the Godlessness I allude to occurred when I was on Bill Buckley’s “Firing Line” program June 24, 1987. Referring to him having told Malcolm Muggeridge that he (Buckley) did not believe there was a Christian means of organizing society, I asked Bill: “Wouldn’t God’s Laws, wouldn’t the Laws of Christ be a means of organizing a society?” Buckley said: “No. No….The consent of the governed in societies ruled by the people is the ultimate source of authority.”

Alexander Solzhenitsyn was once asked how just a few Communists could take over his country when it had a thousand years of being Christian? He replied: “We forgot God.” The leaders of the “conservative movement,” politically-speaking, forgot God. They forgot that the Lord Jesus Christ is Lord over ALL, including politics. They forgot that He is King of kings, Lord of lords, with ALL power in Heaven and on earth. They forgot Psalm 2:12 commands: “Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

I know all of what I say here is true because, from the inside, I ran with this “conservative movement” from the mid-1960s to 1980 when God, by His grace alone, raptured me from among this Christless crowd – something for which, literally, I will be eternally grateful.

To hear much more on this subject, please click here to hear the latest “The American View” radio show http://www.theamericanview.com/dictator/media/997/show_145.mp3

If you’d like to interview John Lofton, you may reach him by calling: 301-873-4612; 410-760-8885; or by email: JLof@aol.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; buckley; conservatism; constitutionparty; johnlofton; wfb; williamfbuckley; williamfbuckleyjr
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To: Pyro7480

Those are some very bright men you have listed. Russell Kirk, a good Catholic, a very bright and kind man.


21 posted on 03/03/2008 2:18:10 PM PST by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU revision of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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To: Binghamton_native

Perhaps he’s just a liar.


22 posted on 03/03/2008 2:19:14 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: F15Eagle
But I don’t know what, Constitutionally, can be done about the latter, except to declare it a fifth-column.

I think their Constitutional protection of freedom of religion extends to the point that they start demanding preferential treatment. When they start doing that, we don't owe them that courtesy any longer.

23 posted on 03/03/2008 2:19:14 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jim Robinson
But what, exactly, is Lofton saying? That we need a Christian king, as in Charlemagne or the Byzantine Emperor? That we need laws explicitly copied from the Bible-- and then we may ask, the Old Testament or the New? Are we to enact Deuteronomy and Leviticus live Kosher? Not even Israel does that.

Should we be governed by clergy? And if so, whose clergy?

My Church (Catholic) argues, for instance, that since God is the Author of both the Book of Scripture (Biblical law, based on revelation) and the Book of Nature (Natural Law, based on reason), a fully accurate understanding will produce the same conclusions, the same result, for both (since Truth = Truth by either method.)

That means that in a nation like the USA where not everybody accepts the authority of Scripture, one can argue on the basis of Natural Law as the method for devising reasonable, God-pleasing policies and composing just, God-pleasing laws.

But that brings us back to where we are now, does it not? Because when we use the ordinary rules of evidence and reason to advocate just laws, we're contending via debate and persuasion just like we are now.

There would seem to be the two basic choices: government by clergy via decree, of government by citizens via persuasion.

So what we're doing now is debate and persuasion, a gradual and incremental process. How in effect would Lofton's process differ from Buckley's?

24 posted on 03/03/2008 2:19:14 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: Jim Robinson
Lofton took issue with the following answer from WFB:

An example of the Godlessness I allude to occurred when I was on Bill Buckley’s “Firing Line” program June 24, 1987. Referring to him having told Malcolm Muggeridge that he (Buckley) did not believe there was a Christian means of organizing society, I asked Bill: “Wouldn’t God’s Laws, wouldn’t the Laws of Christ be a means of organizing a society?” Buckley said: “No. No….The consent of the governed in societies ruled by the people is the ultimate source of authority.”

Does this mean that Lofton would govern without the consent of the governed?
25 posted on 03/03/2008 2:20:04 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: Jim Robinson

Buckley, Russell Kirk and Whittaker Chambers were men of very deep faith.


26 posted on 03/03/2008 2:22:09 PM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Binghamton_native

Kinda takes the idea of “Constitutionalist” (or Constimatooshunalist) and stands it on its ear.


27 posted on 03/03/2008 2:22:56 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Here is the Cathlic Review obit regarding Obama.

http://www.catholicreview.org/subpages/storyworldnew.aspx?action=2963

He wrote an account of his Catholic beliefs in the 1997 book “Nearer, My God: An Autobiography of Faith.”

28 posted on 03/03/2008 2:23:11 PM PST by mware (Americans in arm chairs doing the job that the media refuses to do.)
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To: Tribune7

This evangelical Christian agrees.


29 posted on 03/03/2008 2:23:35 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: wideawake

“I prefer the former.”

No, Lofton’s view of government is Washington’s America and Buckley’s is Payne’s America.


30 posted on 03/03/2008 2:24:17 PM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Petronski

I have one comment:

The Calvinists AND the Catholics had better get their acts together - and I do mean TOGETHER - or the godless secularists and the Islamists are going to make sure we’re utterly destroyed.

The hour is late...


31 posted on 03/03/2008 2:25:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance (McCain supporters: "We have nothing to offer but fear itself!")
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To: demshateGod

You think Buckley was a devotee of Thomas Paine!? Give me a break!


32 posted on 03/03/2008 2:25:29 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: EternalVigilance

Perhaps the Calvinists ought to drop this sanctimonious “Whore of Babylon” crap.


33 posted on 03/03/2008 2:26:38 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Bill of Rights was guaranteed by God.. not government.. the document says.. Govt didn't give them and govt cant take them away.. Goverments ALIENATE rights on whims globally.. always have.. These rights are said to be UNalienable.. because the government didn't give them.. Big difference between privileges and RIGHTS.. Every government on this planet gives privileges except ONE.. The U.S.,A.. The goverments of Europe and Canada have ZERO rights, merely privileges..

UNalienable Rights given by God.. BUT if you allow your government to deport God.. then those rights can be alienated.. Americans are allowing God to be deported out of Politics.. any rights we HAD are in jeopardy.. The American is getting set up to alienate them.. Some are partially alienated already..

34 posted on 03/03/2008 2:27:05 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Binghamton_native

FDR was a student and disciple of Endicott Peabody, and look what that got us.


35 posted on 03/03/2008 2:27:17 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jim Robinson
‘Conservative Movement’ Still-Born........

I ran with this “conservative movement” from the mid-1960s to 1980




So he ran with a still-born for nearly twenty-years?
36 posted on 03/03/2008 2:28:09 PM PST by macamadamia ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." Yeats)
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To: jammer
I don't know how much more "religious" NR could have been. In fact, it was extremely religious, unless the author objects to Roman Catholicism.

Touche.'

37 posted on 03/03/2008 2:28:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Lofton has confused WFB with Ayn Rand.


38 posted on 03/03/2008 2:28:32 PM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: mware
Here is the Catholic Review obit regarding Obama.

Are you doing two things at once?

39 posted on 03/03/2008 2:28:37 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t know about Bill Buckley’s personal deal with Jesus- that’s between Bill and Jesus.

The movement, I think, had some elements in common with the Revolutionary bunch who founded the nation under, what I believe to be, the direction and inspiration of God. He invented freedom after all, and regularly moves on behalf of the oppressed and bound.

But conservatism was infiltrated by globalist operatives. Perhaps even some of the founders were globalists, I don’t know for sure. One explanation for the constant leftward drift and increasingly loose redefinition of ‘conservatism’ since it’s inception can be traced in the evil words of Quigley:

The chief problem of American political life...has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”

~Carroll Quigley, ‘Tragedy and Hope’

Conservatism was doomed from the beginning by the rebuilders of modern Babel. God has nothing to do with such ambitions.


40 posted on 03/03/2008 2:28:56 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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