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U.S. could intervene as Chavez prepares for war on Colombia
The Daily Mail ^ | March 2, 2008 | William Lowther

Posted on 03/03/2008 3:34:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Venezuela threatened to declare war on neighbouring Colombia last night, raising the prospect of the U.S. being drawn into conflict in South America.

Venezuela's Left-wing president Hugo Chavez ordered ten tank battalions to the Colombian border and put war-planes under emergency stand-by.

The tension follows Colombia's decision to send its army to strike against anti-government guerrillas hiding in the jungles of Ecuador.

The surprise attack - launched without Ecuador's permission - killed Raul Reyes, a top commander in the Left-wing Colombian rebel group Farc, and about 16 of his men.

President Chavez yesterday closed the Colombian embassy in Caracas, warning that any similar entry into his country's territory after the rebels would be "cause for war".

The U.S. would almost certainly come to Colombia's aid if oil-rich Venezuela launched an invasion. But Washington-based diplomats played down the brouhaha and said it might be no more than bluster from Chavez, an outspoken opponent of the U.S.

However, Pentagon sources said Colombia had been warned not to allow its hunt for Farc rebels to cross Venezuela's borders.

Over the last few weeks President Chavez, who is very close to new Cuban President Raul Castro, has been in negotiations with Farc leaders and has persuaded them to hand over some of the hostages they have been holding for years.

While the US has bitterly deteriorating relations with Venezuela it has recently improved ties to Colombia and has troops in that country helping in the fight against the massive illicit cocaine trade.

President Chavez moved quickly yesterday to close the Colombian embassy in Caracas and to declare on national television that Colombian President Alvaro Uribe was a "criminal."

He said the killing of the rebel leader was a "cowardly murder."

President Chavez said that any similar incursion into Venezuelan territory after the rebels would be seen as a "cause for war."

Ecuador's President Rafael Correa has called the killing of the rebels inside his country "scandalous."

According to Pentagon sources the US has warned Colombia not to let its military venture into Venezuela in pursuit of Farc guerrillas and there is no indication that they have done so.

The US is hoping that President Chavez – known for making extravagant claims – is on no more than a sabre-rattling exercise with no real intention of going to war.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Cuba; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: colombia; correa; ecuador; farc; guerrillas; hugochavez; insurgents; latinamerica; leftwing; marxist; military; southamerica; tinpotdictator; venezuela; venezuelantroops
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What a moron!
1 posted on 03/03/2008 3:34:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

3 AM might be the time.


2 posted on 03/03/2008 3:35:31 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: RightWhale

LOL


3 posted on 03/03/2008 3:36:09 PM PST by jdm (Contrary to popular belief, the search function works just fine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Chavez saber-rattling doesn't mean war on horizon for Andes
4 posted on 03/03/2008 3:37:31 PM PST by jdm (Contrary to popular belief, the search function works just fine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Best we could do is keep our nose out of it. Let those two wacky countries fight between themselves.


5 posted on 03/03/2008 3:37:43 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Chavez gave FARC $300 million, President Bush is honor- and duty-bound to treat Chavez like the terrorist he is.


6 posted on 03/03/2008 3:39:51 PM PST by modyoulater (Everything is everything.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No sanctuary for terrorists, that includes Farc, and it includes within Venezuela. You can be prudent about it temporarly for tactical and timing reasons if that is advisable, but do not, do not, conceed on the principle of no sanctuary for terrorists, and the moral equivalence between terrorists and states that harbor, arm, fund, and support them.
7 posted on 03/03/2008 3:40:13 PM PST by JasonC
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To: mtbopfuyn

Let them pummel each other into the dirt.


8 posted on 03/03/2008 3:40:46 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

9 posted on 03/03/2008 3:41:27 PM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Let those two wacky countries fight between themselves.

Do you know that Columbia is our good ally?

10 posted on 03/03/2008 3:42:45 PM PST by Isara
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To: Isara

Colombia


11 posted on 03/03/2008 3:45:45 PM PST by Isara
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Chaveez is setting us up. Send in unmarked planes....


12 posted on 03/03/2008 3:46:17 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Isara
Do you know that Columbia is our good ally?

Yeah, just ask the Dems.

13 posted on 03/03/2008 3:46:43 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t want to get too involved but if Columbia needs equipment or even any air support we should give it to them. Sluggo is begging for a fight and he should get one.


14 posted on 03/03/2008 3:47:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: mtbopfuyn

i don’t think so,
I think a flight wing of A-10s would do wonders to ger hugo to pay attention.
Take out his tanks in about 2 hours and send a flight of F-117 aircraft over Caracus.


15 posted on 03/03/2008 3:49:02 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Blue Highway; mtbopfuyn
Best we could do is keep our nose out of it. Let those two wacky countries fight between themselves. ......... Let them pummel each other into the dirt.

Colombia has made a sharp turn to conservatism in the past year, has become a pro-American ally, the conservative Columbian Government has cleaned up the country and driven the Communist guerillas out of their country and, when the Communist neighbor attacks, we should allow them to "pummel each other into the dirt"?

Hmmm.

The next time the Arabs attack Israel, should we just let the two parties "pummel each other into the dirt"?

16 posted on 03/03/2008 3:50:28 PM PST by Polybius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where’s Cindy Shee-hag when you reeeheeheeeellly need her?!

Sean Pen? Michael Moore? Any moral explanations? But we need you to go there immediately to see what’s up.......(Please?)


17 posted on 03/03/2008 3:50:58 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....Viva El Presidente! "I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody the same.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we got into a shooting war down there, I would hope we would have enough sense AND cajonies to put a bullet in Chavez unlike Bush # 1 did with Saddam in the first gulf war. GET THE DAMN JOB DONE RIGHT !!!


18 posted on 03/03/2008 3:51:21 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we are asked for it, we should offer it. If we are asked, we should dispatch Hugo and his supporters, all of them, and maybe countries like Israel would get on board.


19 posted on 03/03/2008 3:53:34 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

20 posted on 03/03/2008 3:55:05 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: mtbopfuyn; Blue Highway; Loyal Buckeye; Polybius

Colombia Warning

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:20 PM PT

Latin America: As U.S. allies go, we can't get one better than Colombia. It helps us a lot and now seeks free trade. But all it gets from Congress is a slap in the face. We now risk losing a vital ally.....

21 posted on 03/03/2008 4:04:16 PM PST by Isara
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To: modyoulater

President Bush is also duty and honor-bound to kick Iran a new asshole — but don’t hold your breath.


22 posted on 03/03/2008 4:04:35 PM PST by Levante
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To: Polybius

You throw the term ‘ally’ around like they are sacrificing their nation supporting us. Ally went out fad after WWII.

Secondly, Pres. Bush has been aloof watching our backyard in SA and Latin America. Of all thats going on, watching our Southern neighbors should have been a priority.


23 posted on 03/03/2008 4:07:53 PM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have there been any comments from Bush, Hillary or Obama about this situation?
I haven’t been able to find any.


24 posted on 03/03/2008 4:07:55 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Polybius

“The next time the Arabs attack Israel, should we just let the two parties “pummel each other into the dirt”?”

Israel did handle its neighbors by itself in 2 wars, and even took out one of our ships to boot!


25 posted on 03/03/2008 4:08:06 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: modyoulater

“If Chavez gave FARC $300 million, President Bush is honor- and duty-bound to treat Chavez like the terrorist he is.”

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean like the $500,000,000 Bush recently gave the peace loving Islamofascist, suicide bombers of Fatah, or perhaps how he was honor bound to recognize the independence of the KLA Mohammedan terror statelet that he and McCain have been financing for years in the Balkans?


26 posted on 03/03/2008 4:09:04 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Balderdasish drivel


27 posted on 03/03/2008 4:10:22 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Polybius

If we had stayed out of it and left Israel alone they would have already ‘taken care’ of the Arabs. But no, we have to stick our noses in at every turn and put them on the road to ‘peace’.


28 posted on 03/03/2008 4:11:14 PM PST by sheana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Allow me to be the first. Quaqmire.
29 posted on 03/03/2008 4:12:31 PM PST by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: Polybius
The next time the Arabs attack Israel, should we just let the two parties "pummel each other into the dirt"?

Yes. We can take care of ourselves.

30 posted on 03/03/2008 4:14:10 PM PST by forkinsocket
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Re: Hugo Chavez ordered ten tank battalions to the Colombian border...

I looked around and found the Army of Venezuela Tanks and combat vehicles are:
86 AMX-30V Main battle tank- (82 AMX-30V +4 AMX-30D)
36 AMX-13C.90 Light tank
78 Scorpion 90 FV-101 Light tank
42 Dragoon 300 LFV2 Light tank
and a hint of a few Leopard 2.

One enchanted evening a few A-10s might find this a target rich environment!

31 posted on 03/03/2008 4:15:31 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Joe Boucher

I favor cluster-bombs. Puts terror in infantry troops.


32 posted on 03/03/2008 4:17:05 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: Isara
As U.S. allies go, we can't get one better than Colombia

I beg to differ.

33 posted on 03/03/2008 4:22:20 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: Polybius

Anyone who wants to see Colombia pummeled into the dirt is either ignorant of geopolitics or making the comment based on ethnic bigotry.

Possibly both.


34 posted on 03/03/2008 4:23:40 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Might be an opportunity to take that S.O.B. out ! He has been a thorn in our side too long. Thanks to him, gas prices have been high since 1999/2000. Then we can take their oil.


35 posted on 03/03/2008 4:24:16 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Bender2
and a hint of a few Leopard 2.

Oh hell!

36 posted on 03/03/2008 4:38:47 PM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; greyfoxx39; xzins; blue-duncan
I guess this means the price of coffee will be going up.

Oh man, War is Hell.

37 posted on 03/03/2008 4:39:26 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: keat
Allow me to be the first. Quaqmire.

Yeah but it's a quagmire with salsa and that makes it all worthwhile.
38 posted on 03/03/2008 4:39:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: mtbopfuyn

So you like a communist country, alied with Iran, undermining the sovereignty of a democratic ally of ours?


39 posted on 03/03/2008 4:41:46 PM PST by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: rmlew

Lol. Aka, China?


40 posted on 03/03/2008 4:44:24 PM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The US should have intervened the day Chavez was elected. I never understood why the CIA didn’t take care of this guy. It was apparent from the day he took office that he was going to cause this kind of trouble.


41 posted on 03/03/2008 4:45:14 PM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: rmlew

No, I don’t list Columbia as our best ally. With your same reasoning, I suppose you’d place Australia and England below Columbia? Give Columbia another decade or so and then I might move them above the mid-mark.


42 posted on 03/03/2008 4:47:52 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: Hardastarboard

The CIA has a lot of honorable and good men and women. It also has a lot of traitors. I wish the good guys could boot the bad ones.


43 posted on 03/03/2008 4:49:13 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: WoofDog123
“The next time the Arabs attack Israel, should we just let the two parties “pummel each other into the dirt”?”

Israel did handle its neighbors by itself in 2 wars,

Wrong.

Israel cannot wage a major war without massive U.S. logistical support.

Six Day War:

In his book Six Days veteran BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen claims that on 4 June 1967 the Israeli ship Miryam left Felixstowe with cases of machine guns, 105 mm tank shells, and armored vehicles in "the latest of many consignments of arms that had been sent secretly to Israel from British and American reserves since the crisis started" and that "Israeli transport planes had been running a 'shuttle service' in and out of RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire". Bowen claims that Harold Wilson had written to Eshkol saying that he was glad to help as long as the utmost secrecy was maintained

Yom Kippur War:

In the Yom Kippur War, Operation Nickel Grass dwarfed the Berlin Airlift.

Operation Nickel Grass

Nickel Grass: The airlift that saved Israel

***********

"Amateurs talk about strategy, dilettantes talk about tactics, and professionals talk about logistics."

44 posted on 03/03/2008 4:51:52 PM PST by Polybius
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To: mtbopfuyn
No, I don’t list Columbia as our best ally. With your same reasoning, I suppose you’d place Australia and England below Columbia? Give Columbia another decade or so and then I might move them above the mid-mark.
Either you are confusing my post with that of another, your reading comprehension skills are lacking, or you are making a foolish strawman argument.
I said that Colombia is "an ally" not our closest or best ally.
Regardless of rank, they deserve our support against nacro-marxist guerillas and Chavez.
45 posted on 03/03/2008 4:54:02 PM PST by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: Isara

Colombia is a great country which absolutely loves the US and has supported us in the efforts to end the drug war. I’ve been there a number of times and love the place.


46 posted on 03/03/2008 4:57:37 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Isara
Do you know that Columbia is our good ally?

Why, because many of the people of that corrupt country smuggle hundred of tons of dope into America as a matter of routine, and because they import illegal aliens and violent gangs into America?

47 posted on 03/03/2008 5:00:02 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The US is hoping that President Chavez – known for making extravagant claims – is on no more than a sabre-rattling exercise

Personally, I hope that he is deadly serious and primed for action.


48 posted on 03/03/2008 5:04:21 PM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Bender2

I would not give those tanks 48 hours. Our planes will decimate them if they cross over into Columbia.


49 posted on 03/03/2008 5:04:36 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Polybius

I stand corrected, except the part about the Liberty.


50 posted on 03/03/2008 5:05:38 PM PST by WoofDog123
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