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Violence Leaves Young Iraqis Doubting Clerics
New York Times ^ | 3/04/08 | Sabrina Tavernise

Posted on 03/04/2008 2:27:49 PM PST by LibWhacker

BAGHDAD — After almost five years of war, many young people in Iraq, exhausted by constant firsthand exposure to the violence of religious extremism, say they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.

In two months of interviews with 40 young people in five Iraqi cities, a pattern of disenchantment emerged, in which young Iraqis, both poor and middle class, blamed clerics for the violence and the restrictions that have narrowed their lives.

“I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us,” said Sara, a high school student in Basra. “Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.”

Atheer, a 19-year-old from a poor, heavily Shiite neighborhood in southern Baghdad, said: “The religion men are liars. Young people don’t believe them. Guys my age are not interested in religion anymore.”

The shift in Iraq runs counter to trends of rising religious practice among young people across much of the Middle East, where religion has replaced nationalism as a unifying ideology.

While religious extremists are admired by a number of young people in other parts of the Arab world, Iraq offers a test case of what could happen when extremist theories are applied. Fingers caught in the act of smoking were broken. Long hair was cut and force-fed to its wearer. In that laboratory, disillusionment with Islamic leaders took hold.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clerics; doubting; generationy; iraq; iraqis; violence

1 posted on 03/04/2008 2:27:53 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

The clerics have nothing to fear. Obama will pull the troops out, saving their sorry asses.


2 posted on 03/04/2008 2:29:17 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: LibWhacker
they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.

they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.

The NYT treats this as if it is a bad thing... even though they are so adamant about anti-religion (at least when it comes to Christianity). I think this anti-Islamic development in Iraq is mightily good! Get the folks off Islam and they'll get off the madness.

3 posted on 03/04/2008 2:30:37 PM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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“I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us,” said Sara, a high school student in Basra.

God (the real one) Bless you Sara. You and your likeminded fellow Iraqis all ought to realize that Islam is Evil.

4 posted on 03/04/2008 2:32:34 PM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: Allegra; jveritas; SandRat

Ping


5 posted on 03/04/2008 2:32:56 PM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: LibWhacker

Sounds like a breakthrough to me.


7 posted on 03/04/2008 2:39:57 PM PST by SueRae
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To: LibWhacker
“I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us,” said Sara, a high school student in Basra. “Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.”

The Lord works on the hearts of the people everywhere, even in dark, Islamic repression.

8 posted on 03/04/2008 2:41:17 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: LibWhacker

These young people don’t sound as if they will be likely recruits for 72 virgins.


9 posted on 03/04/2008 2:41:30 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: LibWhacker

Wow, sounds like good news to me. Perhaps a breakthrough is coming.

I pray their hearts will be opened and they will accept Jesus as their Savior. That’s when true, transformative change can take place.


10 posted on 03/04/2008 2:46:58 PM PST by chickpundit (www.punditchick.com)
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To: LibWhacker
Distribute a million Mp3 players now!
11 posted on 03/04/2008 2:48:59 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: LibWhacker

This is remarkable!

One of the “stretch” goals of the War on Terror was to change the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people...to have them reject terrorism and to accept democracy.

The NYT is proving that the Iraq effort is a COMPLETE success!


12 posted on 03/04/2008 2:49:05 PM PST by kidd
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To: All

Oh certainly they will hate the religious leaders until they move to the U.S.A. and use Islamic doctrine and rules to get their way in the bad old USA as so many followers of CAIR are doing.

Don’t hold your breath about anything big happening in the world of Mosques and downtrodden.


13 posted on 03/04/2008 2:51:30 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: SueRae

This is why the war will take generations not years. It is near impossible to overcome what is taught the children from birth on up. That’s true of Western schools too where Global Warming will be with most of the kids all their lives even while earth descends into deep Ice Age.


14 posted on 03/04/2008 2:54:49 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

As others have noted, the LORD works in mysterious ways. Perhaps, those that have been listening to the preachers of violence and hate - will realize that it has all been a lie and come to seek rest on the Everlasting Rock...

Prayers for those that are weary and are seeking rest.

15 posted on 03/04/2008 2:57:36 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: LibWhacker

“skeptical of the faith”
Thank you, New York Times for putting some truth on your pages.


16 posted on 03/04/2008 3:10:18 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: imintrouble

You’re right. The most radical muzzies are in the WEST, it’s not poverty or lack of education. Hell Bin Laden is a millionaire. a sandbox version of our own radical elite.

Regards


17 posted on 03/04/2008 3:24:27 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: LibWhacker

They need a real Savior! Send someone over to help them!


18 posted on 03/04/2008 3:31:16 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: SueRae
Sounds like a breakthrough to me.

Don't get your hopes up too high. We've been hearing stories like this (about young people disillusioned with Muslim tyranny) from Iran for many years, yet the mullahs cling to power.

19 posted on 03/04/2008 3:33:27 PM PST by hellbender
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To: LibWhacker

This change is not only from exposure to the random brutal violence of radical Islam. It’s also from exposure to the West in the form of our finest young men and women. Our soldiers and Marines.

Give these kids sunglasses and an mp3 player and a chance at a Toyota. Give their young girls status beyond being the possesion of men.

With Iraqs oil riches, and a chance at a better life in the 21st century instead of the 12th, we will win every time.

Regards


20 posted on 03/04/2008 3:33:39 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“The young people, they think that is Islam,” he said. “So Islam is a failure, not only in the students’ minds, but also in the community.”

When we destroy the ideology, the collapse of the organization will soon follow.

21 posted on 03/04/2008 3:40:56 PM PST by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: LibWhacker

HALLELULAH!!!

I know of an Iraqi woman married to a Palestinian living in Canada. She is aware of the brutality of the Arab states, but still thinks US is bad. This has got to be brought to everyone’s attention!


22 posted on 03/04/2008 4:34:33 PM PST by Southerngl
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To: LibWhacker
“I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us,” said Sara, a high school student in Basra. “Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.”

Sounds like JimRob needs to set up a Farsi-language FreeRepublic.iq site.

23 posted on 03/04/2008 4:41:12 PM PST by ikka
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To: zerosix
“Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.”

Sounds like some of the leaders are real winners.

24 posted on 03/04/2008 5:10:04 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: zerosix
This is why Islamic extremism is so frantic at this moment in history. They know they cannot survive globalization because their religion is so patently false and riddled with inconsistencies, lies and just plain irrational thought. Not to mention that as a practical matter, it impoverishes those who follow it.

They have to destroy civilization, or civilization will make them extinct. And at some level of consciousness, they understand that. That is why the US, as the purveyor of civilization and a developing global culture is the Great Satan. It proves their Koran wrong just by existing.

25 posted on 03/04/2008 6:38:54 PM PST by Defiant (Para votar Obama, se necessita una cabeza de nada...un cabeza de nada, para mi para ti, ay arriba..)
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To: ikka
Sounds like JimRob needs to set up a Farsi-language FreeRepublic.iq site.

I think an Arabic language FR would make more sense in Iraq. ;)

I'm sure the Iranian youth will highly appreciate an Farsi one though.

26 posted on 03/04/2008 10:05:48 PM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: Southerngl

The Iraqi woman was probably influenced greatly by the broad anti-American sentiment popular in Canada these days.

Brutality exists in the middle east but animosity exists in Canada. It seems the fashion to hate the USA - in defining one’s nationality in Canada: ‘not to be American’.


27 posted on 03/05/2008 4:15:31 AM PST by imintrouble
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