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Government warns of terror threat to trains
MSNBC ^ | 3-4-08

Posted on 03/04/2008 7:47:29 PM PST by rdl6989

n a bulletin released Friday to U.S. law enforcement officials, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning of “continued strong terrorist interest” in targeting mass transit systems in the U.S. The 10-page threat assessment, labeled “Unclassified/For Official Use Only” and obtained by NBC News, cautions that the “U.S. mass transit and passenger rail systems are vulnerable to terrorist attacks because they are accessible to large numbers of the public and are notoriously difficult to secure.” Previous rail attacks in Madrid, London and Mumbai “could inspire terrorists to conduct similar attacks in the United States,” the report adds.

However, the authors of the intelligence analysis make clear that there are no known, immediate dangers. “At this time, there is no credible intelligence regarding specific plans by any extremist groups or individuals to perpetrate an act of terrorism against the U.S. mass transit system,” they write.

"Mass Transit System Threat Assessment" The report is titled the “Mass Transit System Threat Assessment” and was prepared by TSA’s Office of Intelligence. It comes just weeks after Amtrak announced a series of new security measures. Amtrak does not routinely screen passengers or their baggage with metal detectors or other devices, as all U.S. airlines do. Instead, it announced on Feb. 19 that it would use so-called Mobile Security Teams to randomly check passengers and baggage.

The report identifies Al-Qaida as one of the “most likely actors” in potential attacks. “Al-Qa’ida and affiliated extremists pose the greatest threat to the U.S. mass transit and passenger rail system,” it states. “The threat to heavy and commuter rail in the Homeland is greater than the threat to buses and light rail. Attacks on buses overseas tend to be small-scale and are carried out mainly by smaller separatist groups within their own countries.”

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gwot; masstransit; rail; targets; train; trains

1 posted on 03/04/2008 7:47:29 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

Sure hope nobody needs waterboarding.


2 posted on 03/04/2008 7:51:50 PM PST by HonestConservative (Obama; Nobody beats the Wiz.)
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To: rdl6989

What I don’t get, is that every couple of days two or three PA police officers show up and search the bags of those entering the PATH train in New Jersey.

You would think that if terrorists wished to attack, they would send a scout and see if there are any police checking bags today.


3 posted on 03/04/2008 7:53:51 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: rdl6989

Well LA is safe... since we dont use mass transit.


4 posted on 03/04/2008 7:54:59 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: rdl6989
What a waste of time, the government is doing such a good job protecting the border there is no way in hell anyone can bomb a stupid train. Just as Jorge, McCain are Gramnesty?
5 posted on 03/04/2008 7:55:08 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: rdl6989
Railroad terrorism is a simple as this:


6 posted on 03/04/2008 7:55:31 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: HonestConservative

With obama promising to talk with them and mccain promising to not ‘torture’ them, well, the terrorists will have it made.


7 posted on 03/04/2008 7:57:58 PM PST by Creek Injun
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To: Walkingfeather

Denver is safe too, only two or three people ride the trains.


8 posted on 03/04/2008 7:58:52 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: rdl6989

I haven’t been on a train since I took a novelty ride in grade school circa 1957-1963 and don’t know anybody who has.


9 posted on 03/04/2008 7:59:35 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Creek Injun

We are headed to a rebellion, I’m afraid.

Actually, I’m afraid if we are not.


10 posted on 03/04/2008 8:01:24 PM PST by HonestConservative (Obama; Nobody beats the Wiz.)
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To: HonestConservative

I’m ready to fight and die. Just waiting for a leader to step up...


11 posted on 03/04/2008 8:05:41 PM PST by Creek Injun
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To: Walkingfeather

Well LA is safe... since we dont use mass transit.
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Yeah, but LA does have mass transit...from across the border.


12 posted on 03/04/2008 8:07:20 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: proxy_user
You would think that if terrorists wished to attack, they would send a scout and see if there are any police checking bags today.

You honestly believe that they aren't already doing so?

13 posted on 03/04/2008 8:07:39 PM PST by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: rdl6989

But, but, but, Code Pink says that Al Qaeda is not a threat to the U.S.


14 posted on 03/04/2008 8:20:14 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: rdl6989

I’ve noticed more police walk throughs on the mass transit I use the past few weeks. Even at night. Definitely looking for suspicious items on the trains.


15 posted on 03/04/2008 8:23:25 PM PST by Williams
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To: elkfersupper

I don’t know about you, but I would love to take a train through the Rocky Mountains.


16 posted on 03/04/2008 8:28:30 PM PST by LukeL
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To: rdl6989
However, the authors of the intelligence analysis make clear that there are no known, immediate dangers. “

And they won't until some train falls into a canyon somewhere, or they blow up a tunnel so that the mountain falls on the train and the people in it.

17 posted on 03/04/2008 8:36:45 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Walkingfeather
Well LA is safe... since we dont use mass transit.

They're saving the dirty bombs for y'all. But that's OK, we Texans are saving the expanding bullets for them. (No Hague Convention for Terrorists)

18 posted on 03/04/2008 8:46:19 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: elkfersupper
I haven’t been on a train since I took a novelty ride in grade school circa 1957-1963 and don’t know anybody who has.

I had a short grade school train ride about that same time. But then in High School we took a train to the state basketball finals. We took the train in '66 and I think '67. In '68 the finals were held in our city, because of the potential for riots associated with the MLK assassination around our original venue in the "Big City". (Ours was second largest in the state and the capital city).

19 posted on 03/04/2008 8:56:03 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Creek Injun
I’m ready to fight and die. Just waiting for a leader to step up...

If every body is waiting for that, it might be a long wait.

20 posted on 03/04/2008 8:57:08 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Walkingfeather
Train derailment this morning near Mecca, Calif.

MECCA - Crews reported significant progress Tuesday in cleaning up a chemical spill after a train derailment Monday night near this farm worker community that triggered a precautionary evacuation of a nine-square-mile rural area.

21 posted on 03/04/2008 9:11:35 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: LukeL
I don’t know about you, but I would love to take a train through the Rocky Mountains.

I prefer a reliable 4WD pickup or a good horse or both.

22 posted on 03/04/2008 9:11:41 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: rdl6989

Hey, lets allow in a few million more foreigners...That’s the ticket!


23 posted on 03/04/2008 9:12:34 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: EagleUSA

Union Pacific freight train derailed near Mecca, California today.

24 posted on 03/04/2008 9:15:36 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: El Gato

Ya better be saving your income down there in Texas to support Bush’s millions of illegal aliens.


25 posted on 03/04/2008 9:15:43 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: rdl6989
Come on, House. Get busy and pass the bill that will protect us. Stop doing all the dumb stuff, Nancy, and get down to business!

U. S. House of Representatives

26 posted on 03/04/2008 9:16:39 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: proxy_user

The PANYNJ is pathetic. Take no comfort in their presence, their incompetence can actually kill you.


27 posted on 03/04/2008 9:48:19 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: rdl6989

Oh, fun... I’m taking a train for spring break, and I hope Amtrak doesn’t try to go through my bags cause I don’t know if I can pack them that tightly again - I even have a pillow squished into a pocket of my overhead-carryon-sized bag. I sometimes feel like my luggage is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside...


28 posted on 03/04/2008 10:19:04 PM PST by Hyzenthlay (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Reeses

Mecca. Great.

disgusting


29 posted on 03/04/2008 10:23:08 PM PST by txflake
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To: rdl6989

bttt


30 posted on 03/05/2008 12:07:14 AM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: rdl6989

Ho-hum.....another threat


31 posted on 03/05/2008 12:23:09 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Reeses

Nice name!!


32 posted on 03/05/2008 5:35:26 AM PST by Napoleon Solo
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To: Sarajevo

I guess the TSA workers want more power and influence, and the scanning machine manufacturers want more sales.


33 posted on 03/05/2008 7:03:28 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Railroad terrorism is a simple as this:

Would you happen to have the exact specs on this item, material list, steel composition and hardness, sizes and such?

Thank you,
Ahmed Muhammad
Dearbornistan, MI

34 posted on 03/05/2008 7:06:18 AM PST by panaxanax (Hey Duncan, your country needs you now more than ever. Please call home!)
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To: elkfersupper
You would be surprised! I ride trains because there hasn’t
been all the hassles you find at airports; also, the food and service is much better.
35 posted on 03/05/2008 8:29:34 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Walkingfeather
Well LA is safe... since we dont use mass transit.

Maybe not for passengers but how do you think you get food and fuel for the cities stores? It's brought in by a cargo train to a railhead in one of several city wide rail yards then trucked to central distribution points where it is further trucked to retailers. Imagine a nuke put onto one of those trains in DENVER or vice versa and sent on it's merry way with timer or a detonater and a suicidal Jihadi for company.

How about one of the cargo cars packed full with propane containers charged to the max with VX Nerve Agent or a similar car packed with industrial sized fire extinguishers and charged with the aforementioned nerve agent? What's the average speed and direction of the breeze on a sunny day in LA? Calculate that and you'll get an effective idea of the downwind drift of the agent and of course as the cloud of gas moves in a linear direction it will also tend to spread in a lateral direction growing ever larger and killing more folks as well as contaminating more surfaces. Rail yards are usually located centrally, too.

You're not safe. There is no such concept that holds any measure of validity. Care to rethink your statement?

36 posted on 03/05/2008 9:52:02 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Creek Injun

Yep, Live Free or Die.

I prefer I live free and THEY die.


37 posted on 03/05/2008 11:42:18 AM PST by HonestConservative (Obama; Nobody beats the Wiz.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
 
 
 
 
 

38 posted on 03/05/2008 12:37:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: El Gato; elkfersupper
I haven’t been on a train since I took a novelty ride in grade school circa 1957-1963 and don’t know anybody who has.

UMmmm...

Durango to Silverton!

Agawa Canyon!

Whitewater Railroad

39 posted on 03/05/2008 12:39:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: txflake
disgusting

Funky Cold Medina

40 posted on 03/05/2008 12:40:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reeses
near Mecca, California

Caliph-ornia....
41 posted on 03/05/2008 4:25:51 PM PST by G8 Diplomat
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To: proxy_user

“PA police officers show up and search the bags of those entering the PATH train in New Jersey.”

___________________

Do you know how close any of those trains come to all of those refineries in NJ? Two birds with one stone?


42 posted on 03/06/2008 5:56:38 AM PST by 1curiousmind
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To: LukeL

I had friends who were given tickets on their 50th anniversary to take a train up through Canadian Rockies, etc. It must have been a wonderful trip!


43 posted on 03/09/2008 3:00:59 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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