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McCain gets conservative grassroots support when...
March 4, 2008 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 03/04/2008 9:42:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/04/2008 9:44:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

..hell freezes over.

But he can start the cooling process.

Here are a few starters:

1) Don't just promise to do it, but as a U.S. Senator he can actually draft a bill NOW to repeal McCain-Feingold. And if he has the leadership ability to be an effective president, he can prove it by getting it passed BEFORE November. If not, he's the loser we all know he is.

2) Immediately drop and forcefully repudiate ALL amnesty B/S. Publicly burn all drafts and plans for amnesty and immediately fire all advisers and staffers pushing this garbage. Secure the borders NOW. No need to wait for the election.

3) Immediately drop and forcefully repudiate ALL global warming baloneyism. Publicly burn all drafts and plans for "fighting" global warming and immediately fire all advisers and staffers pushing this garbage.

4) Immediately learn and understand that as grassroots conservatives we are NOT interested in electing a Republican who wants to work WITH the Democrats. Let's face it. Clinton, Obama, Kennedy, Kerry, Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, et al, ARE the enemy. We don't want Republican leaders aiding and abetting the enemy, we want Republican leaders with the cojones to FIGHT the evil bastards!!

Mr. McCain, if you want my vote, you're gonna have to earn it. Unfortunately, I doubt you're up to it.


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Notice that I didn't call him a treasonous bastard this time. Shows that I'm willing to concede... uh, nothing as long as he moves 100% in my direction. Hah! Bet you thought I'd say I'd be willing to meet him half way. LOL!
1 posted on 03/04/2008 9:42:06 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Can I call him a treasonous bastard?

He is ya know.


2 posted on 03/04/2008 9:43:19 PM PST by tueffelhunden
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To: Jim Robinson

5. He must make an immediate huge contribution to FreeRepublic.


3 posted on 03/04/2008 9:45:33 PM PST by Enterprise ((Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!))
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To: Jim Robinson

I actually would respect him slightly more if he resigned his seat.

I still wouldn’t vote for him, but it would be a start.


4 posted on 03/04/2008 9:45:49 PM PST by Bull Market (I will not vote for John McCain. Hillary's my girl!)
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To: Jim Robinson

LOL you dont ask for much do ya?


5 posted on 03/04/2008 9:45:59 PM PST by wafflehouse (How many boards would the Mongols horde if the Mongol hordes got bored?)
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To: Jim Robinson

On this one Jim...you are a dumb ass.


6 posted on 03/04/2008 9:46:16 PM PST by CarbonCounty
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To: Jim Robinson

Great post. My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately I doubt McCain will do such (no matter how much some of the idealists on here dream...)


7 posted on 03/04/2008 9:47:04 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (McCain/Hillary/Obama: All Liberals To Me)
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To: CarbonCounty

Thanks. I love you too.


8 posted on 03/04/2008 9:47:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
He is not going to do any of the above. That is how he got where he is now (in his own mind anyway).

Better question might be

What, Jim, are *you* going to do come election day and must choose between Obama (OK or Clinton) and Mr John?

Hope for a third party?

9 posted on 03/04/2008 9:48:37 PM PST by ASOC (.)
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To: Jim Robinson
He is not going to do any of the above. That is how he got where he is now (in his own mind anyway).

Better question might be

What, Jim, are *you* going to do come election day and must choose between Obama (OK or Clinton) and Mr John?

Hope for a third party?

10 posted on 03/04/2008 9:48:40 PM PST by ASOC (.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hey Jim, I think it is a waste of time to suggest “he would come to our side.DC is way out of touch as are most politicians everywhere.This is gonna suck for a few years but I sure as hell aint voting for a rino.


11 posted on 03/04/2008 9:48:45 PM PST by imahawk (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: CarbonCounty
dont beat around the bush or anything tell us how you really feel

i think jim has some good ideas.. the McCainiac probably couldnt get away with doing those things though without looking stupid and thus wouldnt get elected anyway
12 posted on 03/04/2008 9:49:16 PM PST by wafflehouse (How many boards would the Mongols horde if the Mongol hordes got bored?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Re: #4. Yep, fight ‘em and BEAT THE [censored] OUT OF THEM.
13 posted on 03/04/2008 9:49:31 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Illegetimi non carborundum.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unless McCain selects a strong conservative as a running mate and makes steps in the direction you are suggesting...I will vote third party. I live in Illinois so no matter what the state will go Dem...so it will be the best I can do as a protest vote without violating my conscience by helping elect Obama or Hillary to replace Ginsberg and Stevens.


14 posted on 03/04/2008 9:51:00 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t remember anybody calling for Fred Thompson to sign a pledge to repeal McCain/Feingold. He certainly never said he would.

I’d love to see it, but it won’t happen.

But I don’t expect any of those other things to happen either. He’ll either win without conservatives, or with conservatives. The only difference will be whether he proves you can win without conservatives, or whether the election shows you need conservative support to be President.

And that pretty much is up to us. We can stay home, or even fight against him. And when he wins, it will show that republicans should run to the center because not only are conservatives not to be counted on as party loyalists, but they aren’t needed to win elections. That will probably lead to a wave of good conservatives getting voted out of office, unless we can manage the herculean feat of getting conservatives excited about showing up to vote for conservatives, while convincing them to vote against McCain.

Or we can work hard to get conservatives to run in the house and senate, and then work hard to get them elected, and to give passive support to McCain so that the exist polls show that conservatives DID show up and do what we always yell at moderate and liberal republicans to do — not turn their back on the party when they don’t get their way.

We can do that while fighting against everything McCain supports that we oppose. It will be easier than with Rudy, because there WILL be things we can support McCain on. We simply have to push those things, and maintain good grass-roots efforts against the rest.

I don’t expect that anything nice will be said about McCain here. I know I won’t have much desire to say anything nice about him. He wasn’t my candidate.

But as an official member of the republican party, I will support my party’s nominee for President. Eventually. I don’t have the bumper sticker on the car yet, and I haven’t put out the signs or added the link to my web site.


15 posted on 03/04/2008 9:51:22 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CarbonCounty

Nice way to get zotted.


16 posted on 03/04/2008 9:51:24 PM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: CarbonCounty
I too see little hope for Jim's wishes being granted but I'm running from your stupid remark.

See Ya.

17 posted on 03/04/2008 9:52:10 PM PST by Gumption
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To: Jim Robinson
Notice that I didn't call him a treasonous bastard this time.

Didn't need to Jim, when you called him that the first time, it stuck, lol.

I'm with you, McCain might be able to earn my vote with your suggested overtures but I'm not holding my breath.

And I still want him to stop referring to John F'in Kerry as "his dear friend". As a former POW, JohnnyMac's first move should have been to kick Kerry right straight in the 'nads.

That alone would go a long way for me.
18 posted on 03/04/2008 9:52:54 PM PST by mkjessup (Famous 'Rat Initials: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ .... to be followed by *B.O.* ?!? - I don't think so!! LOL)
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To: Jim Robinson
Pretty decent set of points there Jimbo. If conservatives hold fast to our principles, we may in fact lose a battle now and then, but if there is any justice on God's Green Earth, we should win the war.

Question is, what does history say about such things? I suspect the "goodness" of America has left town and "greatness" will soon follow. Our country is in deep doodoo. IMHO of course.

19 posted on 03/04/2008 9:52:56 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not going to happen. McCain doesn’t think he needs us. He thinks all his bi-partisan rhetoric and national security credibility is going to win the day. He actually believes the crap in the media and is ignorant enough to think the majority of independents will vote for him in November.

It will be hard to lose to Hillary or Obama, but Republicans sure picked one that can make it happen. He better get to work on precisely the areas you singled out for him. If he turns off voters in the South enough for them to stay home, this could get ugly quickly.


20 posted on 03/04/2008 9:53:58 PM PST by WildcatClan (Real Marxism you can believe in. Yes, we can. Si, se puede.)
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To: Jim Robinson

After long hard prayer,

Obama or Hillary would be worse.


21 posted on 03/04/2008 9:54:09 PM PST by Sundog (Cheers.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Free Republic Opinion Poll: (2/16) If it’s McCain vs Obama in the general, how do you vote?
Composite Opinion
McCain 62.2% 7,185


22 posted on 03/04/2008 9:54:19 PM PST by Valin
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To: Jim Robinson; All

BUMP for standing on principles. [as the McCainiacs tilt their little heads and think “what are these things they call principles?]


23 posted on 03/04/2008 9:54:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: ASOC

Doesn’t matter what I do personally. Just as the RINO Rudy Giuliani learned the hard way, I sincerely doubt that the RINO John McCain will gain enough support from the conservative grassroots to win the presidency. Unless, of course, he takes some drastic measures NOW to EARN their support. He ignores them at his own peril.


24 posted on 03/04/2008 9:54:54 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“McCain gets conservative grassroots support when...”

Never.


25 posted on 03/04/2008 9:56:06 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Jim Robinson; CarbonCounty
CarbonCounty said: "On this one Jim, you are a dumb ass"

Thanks. I love you too.

C'mon Jim, call him an asswipe and let's get this party started! I'll bring the BugZapper!!! LOL
26 posted on 03/04/2008 9:56:06 PM PST by mkjessup (Famous 'Rat Initials: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ .... to be followed by *B.O.* ?!? - I don't think so!! LOL)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

how about putting a poll on Mccain and Obama and Mccain and Clinton...with the none of the above in each...lrt it run a week...


27 posted on 03/04/2008 9:56:21 PM PST by OnRiver
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ll support his leaving the presidential race 100%.


28 posted on 03/04/2008 9:56:49 PM PST by kenth
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To: Jim Robinson
It's too ingrained in every fiber of his being... Conservative Liberal. He's too old to change. He's too old period. He's heterodox.
29 posted on 03/04/2008 9:57:58 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (McCain: You don't have to love him, you just have to fall in line)
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To: Jim Robinson

There is a lot about McCain I don’t like and since he doesn’t know what the word “amnesty” means, I want to hear the “No Amnesty, Deport” Pledge.


30 posted on 03/04/2008 9:58:01 PM PST by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: Jim Robinson

Damm.. you hit all my main points


31 posted on 03/04/2008 9:58:14 PM PST by tophat9000 (:[....)
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To: Jim Robinson
"McCain gets conservative grassroots support when..."

Winged primates depart from my nether region.

32 posted on 03/04/2008 9:58:40 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Jim Robinson
2) Immediately drop and forcefully repudiate ALL amnesty B/S. Publicly burn all drafts and plans for amnesty and immediately fire all advisers and staffers pushing this garbage. Secure the borders NOW. No need to wait for the election. 3) Immediately drop and forcefully repudiate ALL global warming baloneyism. Publicly burn all drafts and plans for "fighting" global warming and immediately fire all advisers and staffers pushing this garbage.

Those are the two points that keep me from ever wanting to vote for this bastard.

33 posted on 03/04/2008 9:58:42 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Jim Robinson

5) Pledge that his first act as President will be to grant a full pardon and apology to Ramos & Compean, offer them their jobs back with back pay and generous hardship bonuses.


34 posted on 03/04/2008 9:59:57 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t see anyway that he can earn support, to crawfish now would be unbelievable, quite simply no one would believe that sort of pandering.

About the only thing McCain can do is stick to his record and let it play out as a choice between cutting and running out of Iraq and a Massive Tax increase or...Mad John’s contempt for Conservatives.


35 posted on 03/04/2008 10:00:37 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well at the very least he must at least do #3!!! Even then I'll still vote for the real greenie... Ralph Nader which will cheat the Democrat but still not reward the priggish senator from AZ!!!

#4 was the best of all, however.

36 posted on 03/04/2008 10:02:31 PM PST by SierraWasp (Changing America to an Obamanation is good? I think NOT! A McCaination isn't a whole lot better!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Agreed Mr. Robinson. Agreed.

If he wants the Presidency, it will be on OUR terms--and he will do so in a clear, unequivocal manner which will not allow him to double cross us and backtrack later. For starters, from now on and in the General Election, he will run as an unashamed CONSERVATIVE with cearly recognizable Reagan-style CONSERVATIVE solutions and answers in all the debates, campaign ads, staff, etc. vs the Democrats, for example. He will not give us "Me Too" Liberalism and Compassionate Conservatism. If he loses RINO votes as a result, well, tough. That is just the simple deal, lump it or leave it, Senator McCain.

He will concede to us on all major big ticket items.

CFR, Amnesty, Border Wall, Supreme Court, CFR, Pro Life, Guns.

If he does not, no deal.

Simple as that.

Why vote for a RINO vs. a Lib Socialist, when one has perhaps a Conservative choice on the ballot, too, in one's own state.

37 posted on 03/04/2008 10:03:53 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (The GOP serves a huge cr*p sandwich every 4 years to Conservatives, & sez "shut up!, no choice!")
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Well said!


38 posted on 03/04/2008 10:04:48 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

:)(((Hugs))) WE want it in writing.


39 posted on 03/04/2008 10:04:59 PM PST by fatima
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To: Jim Robinson

I think you stand a better chance of seeing the second coming than McCain doing even one item on your wish list.


40 posted on 03/04/2008 10:05:19 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: Jim Robinson
heh

I never considered Mr John as a RINO - more like a conservative Democrat.

I guess we will all soon learn more about that old saw of a ‘Chinese’ proverb —

May you be cursed to live in interesting times.....

41 posted on 03/04/2008 10:05:45 PM PST by ASOC (.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

don’t hold your breath...


42 posted on 03/04/2008 10:05:57 PM PST by OnRiver
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To: exhaustedmomma
"He's heterodox."

No he's not! He's a political hermaphrodite just like his CA endorser Arnold Schwartzenswindler!!! (you can call him a "herm" for short)

43 posted on 03/04/2008 10:06:37 PM PST by SierraWasp (Changing America to an Obamanation is good? I think NOT! A McCaination isn't a whole lot better!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bookmark.


44 posted on 03/04/2008 10:07:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("What fellowship has light with darkness?")
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To: OnRiver
I know.

Pipe dream on my part.

But might as well set the parameters.

I put it out there anyways, since his campaign people, maybe even he himself, read(s) Free Republic.

45 posted on 03/04/2008 10:07:55 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (The GOP serves a huge cr*p sandwich every 4 years to Conservatives, & sez "shut up!, no choice!")
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To: CarbonCounty; darkangel82; Jim Robinson
On this one Jim...you are a dumb ass.

Whatever is in the water in Carbon County, let's be sure to avoid it. :)

46 posted on 03/04/2008 10:08:08 PM PST by GOP_Raider ("Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torments of man" -Nietzsche)
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To: Jim Robinson

I would also like to add to your list, lord McCain for one and all time end his plan to move GITMO terrorists to Ft. Leavenworth, KS. Especially if lord McCain will not make our borders secure. I live about an hour’s drive from Ft. Leavenworth and I am NOT willing to support making Ft. Leavenworth a tourist trap for terrorists.


47 posted on 03/04/2008 10:08:13 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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Gosh, when will Hillary thank Rush and the Republican crossover voters, for her Texas "win".

And ... McCain gets to lose to real Democrat as that RINOs back returns in kind .... his backstabbing.

48 posted on 03/04/2008 10:08:44 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
合意!
49 posted on 03/04/2008 10:08:48 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Jim Robinson; xzins
Notice that I didn't call him a treasonous bastard this time. Shows that I'm willing to concede... uh, nothing as long as he moves 100% in my direction. Hah! Bet you thought I'd say I'd be willing to meet him half way. LOL!

If Hillary is on the democrat ticket, then I suspect that by November both you and I will be willing to "pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure" the defeat of the Hildebeast.

I think McCain knows that, so I'm not optimistic that he is going to be actively seeking conservative voters. In the end, I don't think he will be a worse president than Bush, who has signed every idiotic bill that McCain has sponsored and was actively involved in pushing for McAmnesty.

Both Bush and McCain are politically tone deaf. We can only hope that he picks a relatively conservative VP, as I don't think he has the stamina to run for reelection in 2012.

Let us all Pray that he chooses his friend and former colleague Fred Thompson as his VP pick. It would make sense, since he needs the support of Southern Conservatives if he wants to ensure that he gets all the "red" states.

50 posted on 03/04/2008 10:09:50 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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