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Did Republican crossovers keep Hillary alive?

Posted on 03/05/2008 8:55:14 AM PST by reaganator

The total of McCain and Huckleby votes in Ohio yesterday were approximately 955,000.

The total of Obama and Clinton votes in Ohio yesterday were approximately 2,150,000.

Clinton won by approximately only 227,000 votes.

Where were the Republicans? Did at least 227,000 Republicans crossover yesterday and vote for Hillary?

In Texas, Clinton won by approximately only 98,000 votes. There in Texas there was also a much smaller number of Republicans voting for McCain and Huckleby. It's sure very reasonable to think that at least 98,000 Republicans crossed over in Texas.

Did the Republican voters keep Hillary in the race?


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1 posted on 03/05/2008 8:55:15 AM PST by reaganator
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To: reaganator

If they did, they were stupid for doing so.


2 posted on 03/05/2008 8:56:10 AM PST by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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To: reaganator

I know many who did.


3 posted on 03/05/2008 8:56:15 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: reaganator

Yes...


4 posted on 03/05/2008 8:56:55 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: reaganator

If they did they are fools! Fools. She has they organization. To win in apathetic America today you just need to fire up your base. The rest will come along.


5 posted on 03/05/2008 8:57:41 AM PST by kinghorse (John "Yippie Kiy Yay Mu Mu..My Friend" McCain in 08 (had but no longer possesses the belly fire))
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To: reaganator

Yes, of course. Exactly as democrat crossovers gave us McCain.


6 posted on 03/05/2008 8:57:56 AM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: reaganator

That was the silly plan.


7 posted on 03/05/2008 8:58:02 AM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: reaganator

Yes it is still not time to drop the house and take the ruby slippers.


8 posted on 03/05/2008 8:59:15 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: Antoninus

Would you rather Obama be standing unopposed today for the nomination?

As it is, neither Obama or Clinton will be able to achieve the number of delgates needed by the time the primary process ends.

Wouldn’t you rather have these two super egos bringing dirt up on each other for the next 5 months? And spending 10’s of millions of dollars doing so.


9 posted on 03/05/2008 9:00:33 AM PST by reaganator
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To: reaganator
Where were the Republicans?

This Ohio Republican refused to participate. First time I missed a vote in 22 years.

10 posted on 03/05/2008 9:01:01 AM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: reaganator

Yes. Isn’t it a great master plan? Isn’t Rush a freakin’ genius.

hooray
yippee
yay
I am just so excited...
another 8 years of the evil, corrupt Clintons.

What the hell were Republicans thinking? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?


11 posted on 03/05/2008 9:01:04 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: RightWhale

Wrong! What better way to discourage the Obamination Dems from supporting Clinton and uniting the Republican party and independents against her?


12 posted on 03/05/2008 9:01:05 AM PST by dominic flandry
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To: reaganator

Just from personal observations, a LOT of Republicans I know crossed over, despite my warnings. I would guess that most Republicans that I know crossed over. Our county is strongly Republican, yet the democrat primary ballot was a 2 to 1 margin over Republican.


13 posted on 03/05/2008 9:01:27 AM PST by mnehring ("Ronald Reagan has made Jimmy Carter look like a conservative..."- Ron Paul)
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To: Antoninus
If they did, they were stupid for doing so.

Why do you think they were stupid? Who do you think is the weaker candidate to run against Johnny Mac, Hillary or Obama? Obama has had too much momentum, he was on track to win this thing...now they will most likely have a brokered convention. THAT is a good thing.

BTW, I disagree with you.

14 posted on 03/05/2008 9:01:27 AM PST by madison10
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To: reaganator

Thanks Rush. Thanks a lot.


15 posted on 03/05/2008 9:01:31 AM PST by Signalman
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To: Jeff Head
I voted for Obama in Texas so my vote canceled out a Rush worshiper.
16 posted on 03/05/2008 9:01:32 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: reaganator

Welcome to FR.

I’m a Republican in Texas who voted for the black candidate, Alan Keyes.

So I didn’t vote for McCain or Huckabee so I guess my vote didn’t “count” in your model.


18 posted on 03/05/2008 9:02:18 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: reaganator; doug from upland
For what it's worth...

Our local conservative radio guy just ran an audio clip of Karl Rove speaking last night: “Based on Rasmussen and other polls... Twice as many Democrats are defecting (crossing over and voting Republican) and voting for McCain in tonight’s election than Republicans voting for Hillary or Obama.”

19 posted on 03/05/2008 9:03:05 AM PST by nutmeg (Obama supporters: Drink the Kool-Aid? Yes we can!)
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To: KansasGirl
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

Meanwhile, all Democrats are in a state of panic because their nomination will not be settled prior to the convention.

20 posted on 03/05/2008 9:03:22 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: weegee

I have a new FR ID, but I am not a newbie, I’ve been here for years. Thanks for the welcome anyway.


21 posted on 03/05/2008 9:03:30 AM PST by reaganator
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To: reaganator

Dick Morris was encouraging people to cross over to vote for Obama. He was saying the Clintons are so corrupt and immoral they are too dangerous to have such power.

Rush said it was good to cross over to vote for Hillary because anything that keeps them disorganized and fighting is good. He said don’t believe the MSM, his sources say that the Dems are in a civil war and terribly upset.

Rove last night said that it could be good, it could be bad. It’s good because yes, the Dems cannot focus their effort, and are disorganized and fighting. But it also keeps them on the front page while McCain goes to page 3.

There you have it - three intelligent, experienced pundits with three totally different takes. It’ll be interesting to see whose right.

My guess is if Obama’s not on the ticket, the Dem blacks, who have been programmed to view themselves as victims of racism, will be furious at the Dem party - that could fracture the party. So I guess I’ll go with Rush. Of course, there may be a Clinton Obama ticket.


22 posted on 03/05/2008 9:04:01 AM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: madison10

Obama’s momentum was a sudden surge. What was frightening was how vaccuous the support was. There was no “there” there.

And the socialists were already getting in line to take their support “to the streets” with midnight postering campaigns.


23 posted on 03/05/2008 9:04:33 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: reaganator

I hope so. Let Hillary and Obama flail away at each other for a while longer.


24 posted on 03/05/2008 9:04:45 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: reaganator

I seriously doubt that any campaign by Rush netted Hillary 90,000 votes in either race. For what it is worth, exit polls showed most of the crossover vote went to Obama.


25 posted on 03/05/2008 9:04:49 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: A Texan

Excellent, you did the right thing.


26 posted on 03/05/2008 9:05:05 AM PST by jveritas (Rush Limbaugh for President (extreme sarcasm))
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To: mnehrling
The two to one ratio (at least in Texas) is pretty much due to crossover votes and apathy for McCain. The crossovers votes won’t be there in the general election but the apathy non-votes will still effect McCain.
27 posted on 03/05/2008 9:05:09 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: dominic flandry

They punted the ball back in her hands and she is on the 50 yeard line. Uncle Obama’s pancake mix has been recalled.


28 posted on 03/05/2008 9:05:12 AM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: JackRyanCIA
That was the idea! Let them cut each other up.

Why does anyone think that this strategy will work? Obama would be the easier one to beat, by far. Once the Clinton crime family gets the nomination, they will have all the dead people and illegal aliens put that witch over the top.

Stupid strategy, just plain stupid!
29 posted on 03/05/2008 9:05:15 AM PST by Signalman
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To: reaganator

Banned? Suspened? Or was there an opus I missed?


30 posted on 03/05/2008 9:05:23 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: reaganator
The total of McCain and Huckleby votes in Ohio yesterday were approximately 955,000.

The total of Obama and Clinton votes in Ohio yesterday were approximately 2,150,000.

There's one major red state that will be going blue in November, and with it, a probable electoral college lock for the Democrat.

31 posted on 03/05/2008 9:05:30 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: reaganator

Not at the risk of keeping a Clinton family member in the political scene today. We need to get rid of them ASAP. They destroy everything in which they are involved. We need to cleanse the coutnry of their presence.


32 posted on 03/05/2008 9:06:22 AM PST by twigs
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To: I still care
Dick Morris was encouraging people to cross over to vote for Obama. He was saying the Clintons are so corrupt and immoral they are too dangerous to have such power

And he was right. Why that doesn't go without saying among the Limbomaniacs is a mystery of the times.

33 posted on 03/05/2008 9:06:25 AM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: nutmeg

The Demcrats were having a closely contested primary. The Republican nominee was unquestionably to be McCain.

Knowing this, why would Democrats choose not to help decide THEIR contest, crossover and vote for a Republican that was bound to win it anyway?

It’s a real question, what’s the real answer? Why? Did Karl Rove give an answer to “why they would”?


34 posted on 03/05/2008 9:06:52 AM PST by reaganator
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To: KansasGirl

I think the phrase is ‘better the devil you know’.

Despite James Carvill’s waggish “There’s a name for a candidate who relies on the youth vote: a loser.” I’m afraid Obamamania among the young would translate into votes in the fall, and worse into a generation of fairly committed left-voters.

Besides RealClearPolitics has McCain up on Hillery by fractional percentage points, while losing to Obama by over 4%.

Not that I really have a dog in the fight: I wish all three of them could lose.


35 posted on 03/05/2008 9:07:19 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: reaganator
Fierce Allegiance..is that you?

Welcome back!

36 posted on 03/05/2008 9:07:22 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Antoninus
Why?

Obama would make a worse pres than Hillary. He's certainly no better. If McCain is going to win he needs cross over votes from the rats. Keeping Hillary in causes the rats to fight internally.

Plus if Hillary wins because of Superdelegate you could have a mass black protest vote against Hillary.

37 posted on 03/05/2008 9:07:24 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: reaganator

Yes, I expect so. I confess I would not know if it was a good idea or not. But I think it happened.

1. The Republican race was already decided, no competition left against McCain, so a vote on that line would only have been symbolic.

2. Some may have voted against Obama because they don’t want a black president. This could include some Hispanic Republicans.

3. Some may have voted for hillary to keep the race alive.

4. Some may have voted for hillary as the lesser of two evils.

I’m not sure if I agree with any of these reasons. Keeping the race alive probably won’t make that much difference. And I am completely unsure which of those two is worse. They are both unbelievably bad. I personally think Obama is worse, but his machine may not be as powerful as hers, so that evens it out.


38 posted on 03/05/2008 9:08:09 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jveritas
I will say you have been leading the cause on FR and hopefully people were listening, so big kudos go to you. My brother, myself and about 20 friends decided a few weeks ago we were going to vote for Obama. We believe that we can not afford even the slightest chance that her and Bill get into the White House again.
39 posted on 03/05/2008 9:09:06 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: reaganator

I don’t know about Ohio, but in Texas exit polls showed that Republicans who voted Democrat went roughly 52-48 for Hillary, and represented 9% of the votes cast. In that instance I would say that they MAY have made a difference.

Given the size of Hillary’s win in Ohio, I doubt that the Republicans handed her the win.


40 posted on 03/05/2008 9:10:03 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Antoninus
Those "conservatives" and "FReepers" who voted for Hillary are fools. Rush too ought to be ashamed of himself.
41 posted on 03/05/2008 9:11:52 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: reaganator
Would you rather Obama be standing unopposed today for the nomination?

I fear Hillary more than Obama.

With the right kind of message, McCain can beat him. Obama is an empty suit, and he would have imploded during the general election when people see how phony he is.

42 posted on 03/05/2008 9:13:54 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Jeff Head

Idiots.


43 posted on 03/05/2008 9:14:04 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Antoninus

Stupid is as stupid does. I hate this type of vote casting, vote your darn conscience and move on.


44 posted on 03/05/2008 9:14:05 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: trisham

No way, that’s not me. I was hankreardon. Somehow I lost it and did not remember my password.


45 posted on 03/05/2008 9:14:43 AM PST by reaganator
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To: All

Dont disagree with Rush’s plan....but the big drawback is that with the Dems still fighting....they get front page news and all the media attention....while McCain gets no attention

Ol PearHead, Karl Rove, is correct on this (no fan of Ol’ PearHead, esp his treatment of pro-American/anti-illegal Congressmen)


46 posted on 03/05/2008 9:14:53 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (McCain/Hillary/Obama: All Liberals To Me)
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To: KansasGirl
Well, here's what we're thinking: we've now forced the Dem contest to drag out LONGER so the Dems bloody each other up MORE and have to spend millions of ADDITIONAL dollars to win their nomination. Somehow that's a bad thing in your mind?

Obama won 12 freakin' contests in a row and now Hillary is saved from political extinction by winning a mere 3. Oh no, we're doomed. It would have been soooo much better to just hand to Obama victory NOW so he can spend the next 7 months firing away nonstop at McCain and being worshiped nonstop by the media for "making history"

You freepers who can't figure out we it's better to have the Dems SLOWLY destroy EACH OTHER sand then eek into the general election are the type of useful idiots who got us DemocRAT Dennis Cardoza in Congress because you INSISTED that Gary Condit be "taken out" IMMEDIATELY in the RAT primary. Had Condit simply been bloodied up constantly over many long months and BARELY renominated, the GOP would have taken that seat in November.

47 posted on 03/05/2008 9:15:08 AM PST by BillyBoy (Wasn't the "goal" on FR to STOP Rudy McRomney? Then VOTE HUCKABEE!!)
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To: reaganator

Ah, well. Anything with “Reagan” in it is good.


48 posted on 03/05/2008 9:16:47 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: reaganator

that’s not wise...it’s manipulating the system rather than just voting on your candidate. I didn’t like it when democrats did it for McCain and it’s a disgrace for us to do it. Everyone should have to vote for their party in all of the primaries so this can’t happen again.


49 posted on 03/05/2008 9:17:16 AM PST by fabian
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To: BillyBoy

Well said!


50 posted on 03/05/2008 9:17:33 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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