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The Psychological Asymmetry of Islamist Warfare
http://www.meforum.org/article/1867 ^ | Irwin J. Mansdorf and Mordechai Kedar

Posted on 03/05/2008 9:41:39 AM PST by ventanax5

How to balance military needs, international humanitarian law, and the reality of facing an enemy whose tactics are not restrained by accepted conventions are challenges to which Israel and other Western nations need to devote serious thought. The asymmetry of battle that Israel faces requires a rethinking of strategy to deal with threats from forces whose ideologies allow them not just to frustrate many Western military advantages but to use the openness of Western societies—especially their print and image media, and the organizations through which the Western penchant for self-criticism is expressed—to their own advantage. Ideology, including the perception of right versus wrong, becomes part of the discussion. Ultimately, non-Islamists, such as Israel, need to win the ideological war as well as the military one.

In the short-term, Israel can take the lead by repeatedly and forcefully asserting the moral high ground by pointing out that civilian causalities are never intentional but, given the cynical tactics of the enemies it must fight, are regrettably inevitable. Israeli spokespersons must further assert that the culpability for civilian casualties lies with the terrorists who have deliberately chosen to wage war against Israel from within civilian populations precisely because of the propaganda benefits of such tactics. While this is not likely to appease those who seek to paint Israel as a serial violator of human rights, the evidence will show that, given Israel's military arsenal, any premeditated policy of targeting civilians would most certainly have resulted in massively higher death tolls than have actually taken place. From a human rights perspective, the tables need to be turned by arguing that states such as Israel are victims of a capricious and cynical policy of civilian exploitation and that militant Islamists are intentional violators of international conventions that seek to protect civilian lives.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; crushislam; genevaconventions; islam; israel; jihad; moralrelativism; wakeup; wot

1 posted on 03/05/2008 9:41:40 AM PST by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

>>Ultimately, non-Islamists, such as Israel, need to win the ideological war as well as the military one.

Two men can peacefully disagree on ideology if one of them is dead. Win the military war against Islam properly and the ideological one will be solved at the same time.


2 posted on 03/05/2008 9:47:07 AM PST by vikingd00d
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To: ventanax5

I am quite interested in insurgency/counterinsurgency warfare, have studied the subject extensively, and am appalled at the lack of propaganda employed by the U.S. and Israel. We’re getting our asses handed to us by goat-herders and latte-lappers in the realm of information/propaganda.

Propaganda/info is how reality and its perception is shaped. Ours is being shaped by the islamists and their enablers (liberal/progressives). The current administration is profoundly retarded in re this issue.


3 posted on 03/05/2008 10:00:56 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ventanax5

When faced with an Enemy who uses the civilian populace as a human shield, you must protect yourself at all times.

All you can do is to close with and destroy the enemy! If they choose to use innocents as a shields they are the ones responsible for the deaths that result!

They know what they are doing! They hope for the reaction of the press to sway how Israel will react.


4 posted on 03/05/2008 10:05:09 AM PST by Halo-JM
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To: ExpatGator

“We’re getting our asses handed to us by goat-herders and latte-lappers in the realm of information/propaganda.”

Read my lips - it is O-I-L.


5 posted on 03/05/2008 10:10:01 AM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: vikingd00d

We have to have the balls to actually define whom we’re fighting against before we can even think about defeating them properly.


6 posted on 03/05/2008 10:12:37 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: vikingd00d
Whenever the idea that a military solution is not possible or even desirable is presented, You are hearing the voice of an enemy.
7 posted on 03/05/2008 10:17:32 AM PST by isrul (n)
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To: Halo-JM
The most important thing seems to be to act swiftly and decisively. Kill and destroy as much as you need. But don’t drag it out so it can be an ongoing soap opera in the media. Strike and be done with it.
8 posted on 03/05/2008 10:20:33 AM PST by isrul (n)
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To: MrB

whoa. You can’t say that in public. It will make folks uncomfortable. Some think our brave leaders are actually fighting a “war” on terror. And winning.


9 posted on 03/05/2008 10:23:34 AM PST by isrul (n)
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To: 353FMG

As someone who has spent many hours in, around and on the Persian Gulf, I know the reason for our presence there and how it is spelled, found, pumped and transported.

That reason has nothing to do with our failure to properly shape the discussion.


10 posted on 03/05/2008 10:26:09 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ventanax5
repeatedly and forcefully asserting the moral high ground

But Israel's enemies do not recognize this assertion as "moral high ground". They do not object to killing innocents, in fact, they think it is both wise and moral to do so.

They recognize Israeli bleating about "moral high ground" for the weakness it is.

Such "moral high ground" talk is intended to appeal to Israel's friends, not her enemies.

If Israel cannot fight her enemies under the rules of war recognized by her enemies (no quarter), then plans for evacuation should begin now.

11 posted on 03/05/2008 10:34:12 AM PST by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: vikingd00d

Didn’t have to go too far into the thread to hear the simple truth. The “winning hearts and minds” nonsense nearly lost us the second stage of the Iraq war. War is to be despised and hated, it is horrible, it is hell. You put your soldiers on the battlefield and crush the enemy, you kill them and destroy them and any possibility for them to make war in the near future. You give them war till they hate war and have lost all taste for it.

It would seem, in the here and now, a few media lies are worth 50k troops to an enemy; that is if your leaders are ignorant enough to try to fight a PC war and let the media and our enemies (often one and the same) dictate the parameters of war.


12 posted on 03/05/2008 10:34:22 AM PST by WildcatClan (Real Marxism you can believe in. Yes, we can. Si, se puede.)
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To: ventanax5
How to balance military needs, international humanitarian law

There is no such thing as "international law".

Law is an attribute of sovereignty. Law requires a lawgiver.

Since there is no political entity called "the world", and no person or organization which exercises sovereignty over the Earth, there cannot be transnational legislation.

13 posted on 03/05/2008 10:36:28 AM PST by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: WildcatClan
*** The “winning hearts and minds” nonsense nearly lost us the second stage of the Iraq war. War is to be despised and hated, it is horrible, it is hell. You put your soldiers on the battlefield and crush the enemy, you kill them and destroy them and any possibility for them to make war in the near future. You give them war till they hate war and have lost all taste for it. ***

(chuckle) That's what I was going to post, until I closed the wrong window.

And the 'Winning Their Hearts and Minds' junk cost us BIG in Vietnam.

14 posted on 03/05/2008 10:44:03 AM PST by Condor51 (Vote for McInsane or Death by Ugga-Bugga? Decisions, decisions, decisions.)
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To: ExpatGator

“..has spent many hours in, around and on the Persian Gulf..”

How many years did you go surf fishing for subaity?


15 posted on 03/05/2008 10:48:13 AM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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16 posted on 03/05/2008 10:51:41 AM PST by SJackson (It seems to me that it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt)
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To: ventanax5

bttt


17 posted on 03/05/2008 10:58:35 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Condor51
And the 'Winning Their Hearts and Minds' junk cost us BIG in Vietnam.

Absolutely, there are some very astute Freepers on this thread, and that is refreshing, given what I have seen of late.

18 posted on 03/05/2008 11:02:03 AM PST by WildcatClan (Real Marxism you can believe in. Yes, we can. Si, se puede.)
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To: ventanax5

You know, an airborne chemical that simply renders people sterile would be a fine tool to have in our arsenal.


19 posted on 03/05/2008 11:58:31 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: ventanax5
The author's comments about low unemployment, good economy, and 'relative peace' in the 1990's sure shows his desire to overlay greatness on x42, doesn't it? As for 'relative peace' he has that right, because it certainly was 'relative'. We may have had only one attack on our soil, with the 1993 WTC attack, but Jihadists were active all over the world, especially in the Middle East and Africa.

The author dismisses the Jihadist threat with his snide comments about the President calling it the fight of our time, after 9/11, even though we'd chased the 'few leaders' back to their caves. That comment is indicative of those who have the attitude that if we'd only leave them alone, they wouldn't bother us.

20 posted on 03/05/2008 12:01:51 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ExpatGator
The current administration is profoundly retarded in re this issue.

The current administrations have been stymied on this since the 1950s.

21 posted on 03/05/2008 12:03:11 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: 353FMG

Did my fishing offshore. I was a surfer, not a surf-fisherman. Though there was little in the way of surf in the PG.


22 posted on 03/05/2008 4:54:15 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: isrul

When you make the decision to go into battle, you go in expecting to win. There is no overkill (dead is dead). We try our best to close with and kill the Enemy...not civilians.

The Enemy in this case uses the local populace as human shields. Some are willing, some are not. How does one tell the difference?

They use Religion as a excuse for their cause...and anything they do, and any casualties that are inflicted is just.

We hold this thinking as barbaric! So they use our culture against us...to sway public thinking. They also know about Vietnam!

So how do you kill an enemy that uses these tactics to kill us?

YOU USE ANY AND ALL MEANS TO DESTROY THE ENEMY!


23 posted on 03/07/2008 9:37:48 AM PST by Halo-JM
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