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Not My Shower: Breaking Biological Barriers
Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 3/5/2008 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 03/05/2008 10:19:26 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

Mary Ann Andree was drying her hair in the Rio Sport and Health Club in Gaithersburg, Maryland, last month when the door to the women’s locker room suddenly opened. In came a man, wearing a blue ruffled skirt and make-up.

As Andree later told reporters, “I was very upset. There is a lot he could have seen.” Andree is far from alone. A lot of other women in Montgomery County, Maryland, are upset over a new law that demands co-ed locker rooms and bathrooms in all public accommodations.

Montgomery County, adjacent to Washington, D.C., passed the law last November to accommodate “transgendered people”—that is, men who perceive themselves to be women, and women who perceive themselves to be men. The law adds gender identity to the list of protected classes to the Montgomery County Code banning discrimination.

In effect, it means men will have full access to a woman’s restroom and locker room. A woman taking a shower after her aerobics class might look up to find a man turning on the shower next to hers. A little girl using a movie theater restroom will now have to worry that a strange man might walk in.

Michelle Turner, who leads a citizens group opposing the law, says, “Any biological male who is willing to wear a dress and who is feeling transgendered at that particular moment can enter the ladies room or locker room.”

And what is to stop non-transgendered men from entering the ladies’ room? Nothing. A child molester or rapist could put on a dress and go right in. So could pornographists. It is an appalling, shocking law. And get this: There is no exemption for religious schools, book stores, churches, and daycares. As Turner notes, “The act will use the force of law to make these organizations accept transgenders, transvestites, and cross-dressers as employees.”

The American Psychiatric Association classifies gender identity disorder as a mental disorder. Supporters of the Montgomery County law refuse to accept this, and they have decided that you and I are not going to be allowed to accept it, either. Dana Beyer, a “transgendered” person employed by the Montgomery County Council, says that if you believe that XY chromosomes and male genitalia make someone male, you are a bigot.

In effect, transgendered persons are demanding that Montgomery County erase the distinctions between males and females. Make no mistake: This is not about the need for co-ed bathrooms. This law is simply being used to normalize gender identity disorder—much in the same way the gay lobby uses laws to normalize homosexuality.

Montgomery County officials passed this law despite the fact that citizens opposed it by an eight-to-one margin. The good news is that concerned citizens have gathered enough signatures to put the issue on the November ballot.

But Montgomery County is not the only jurisdiction passing laws like these. Check out what your own local leaders are doing to protect your privacy rights. And parents, make sure your kids know the difference between the Christian view of sexuality and that being propagated by those who think they ought to be allowed to choose their gender and their bathroom.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California; US: Maryland
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I have a transgendered person in my family, and I want to first acknowledge that people with this disorder go through a great amount of mental anguish and always have my sympathy. That said, basically the whole point of this law is to ensure that people who have a certain mental issue are comfortable in their surroundings at all times. Well, what if we extended that to other mental issues? Some people believe that the CIA is beaming mind control waves at them which can be stopped by metal shielding. Should the walls of all public areas be overlayed with tin foil so they willl feel comfortable?

Be ready, because if we don't stop this the day is coming when they will tell you your church is illegal unless they are willing to hire transgendered and openly gay ministry staff. If revival doesn't come, persecution will. Read up on Richard Wurmbrand and be ready to follow his path.

There are links to further information at the source document.

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1 posted on 03/05/2008 10:19:27 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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The state is coming for our private spaces...and our churches.

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2 posted on 03/05/2008 10:20:45 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Thus a great empire falls.


3 posted on 03/05/2008 10:22:08 AM PST by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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Again, not a pro-life article per se, but be aware: The state is coming for our private spaces...and our churches.

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4 posted on 03/05/2008 10:22:20 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: PeterFinn
This was the Founder's quote of the day in my inbox this morning:

"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader."

-- Samuel Adams (letter to James Warren, 12 February 1779)

5 posted on 03/05/2008 10:24:00 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

“Who’s reality is right and ....does it matter?” - They Might Be Giants

George C. Scott lives as Sherlock Holmes. The title was from Don Quixote who tilted at windmills because “they might be giants”. But they’re not bleeping giants are they?


6 posted on 03/05/2008 10:24:01 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Why does a transgendered male have to wear a dress to go into a woman’s locker room? Aren’t woman allowed to wear gym shorts and t-shirts?


7 posted on 03/05/2008 10:24:50 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mr. Silverback
Montgomery County officials passed this law despite the fact that citizens opposed it by an eight-to-one margin. The good news is that concerned citizens have gathered enough signatures to put the issue on the November ballot.
Come November, it should just be this issue on the ballot.

If all those "Montgomery County officials" aren't kicked out of office, then it means eight-out-of-nine Montgomery County residents are too stupid to vote.

8 posted on 03/05/2008 10:28:29 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Mr. Silverback

How do you tell a transgendered person from a Peeping Tom? Do they wear Scarlet T’s?


9 posted on 03/05/2008 10:29:03 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Mr. Silverback

“...they will tell you your church is illegal unless they are willing to hire transgendered and openly gay ministry staff.”

Is something similar not already happening in this country? I understand that, in certain places, Catholic hospitals (pro-life) have been istructed to make provisions for abortion facilities.


10 posted on 03/05/2008 10:29:05 AM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I don’t mean to sound like an arsehole, but when when start getting raped, their opinions on things like this will change, and you’ll see them marching in the streets.


11 posted on 03/05/2008 10:29:27 AM PST by wastedyears (Iron Maiden in two weeks' time.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
basically the whole point of this law is to ensure that people who have a certain mental issue are comfortable in their surroundings at all times.

How about the people without those mental issues feeling comfortable in their surroundings? Does my daughter need to be exposed to freaks and perverts during her most private moments? Does she need to diagnose someone's mental state before reacting? Can any man in an Easter bonnet and wig walk in to coed showers unchallenged now?

This is outrageous. The only way this will end is in "hate crimes" when people try to take back reality from the ACLU and the rest of teh freaks.

12 posted on 03/05/2008 10:30:29 AM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
So, teenagers don't need to peer through a plumbing hole into the girls shower anymore. Just put on a dress and walk in. If anyone says anything, just claim to be a woman locked in a mans body.

Something tells me there will be a lot of dirty old men buying dresses and mascara.

13 posted on 03/05/2008 10:33:07 AM PST by fso301
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To: Mr. Silverback

I don’t see where this idiotic law even requires a dress. Seems to me it says that anyone who “is feeling transgendered at the moment” is entitled to go into any restroom or locker room they like, and since there is clearly no reliable test for whether someone who SAYS they’re feeling this way actually is, the law is eliminating any legal distinctions between sexes for this purpose.

There are a lot of people who genuinely are anatomically and/or genetically transgendered, and they deserve every reasonable measure of support that individual members of a free society can muster. But the law needs to deal with this on an individual basis, with legitimate medical grounds for classifying someone as one or the other or a genuine hybrid.


14 posted on 03/05/2008 10:34:10 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: All

“Tyranny of the minortity” strikes again!

HomoFascism again rears its head.

Now, we have to give civil rights and special rights to the confused....and Lord knows what pervs, p-philes, and other vermin will take advantage of this law

We do not punish normal people for the abnormal behavior of a few


15 posted on 03/05/2008 10:34:47 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (McCain/Hillary/Obama: All Liberals To Me)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"people who have a certain mental issue are comfortable in their surroundings at all times."

Why does their comfort supersede the comfort of anyone else? You refer to it as a mental issue. But they claim they are normal. Of course, most folks with mental issues deny they have any issues.

16 posted on 03/05/2008 10:37:30 AM PST by isrul (n)
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To: Mr. Silverback
That is what she (assuming she is a liberal like the majority of Montgomery County - it looks like the land of enacted Obama/Hillary public policie) gets for voting for the liberals in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Tell her not to fret...Montgomery County has got it under control. They know what is best for the public (no santa claus, no smoking in residences, no trans fat, no graduations at church facilities, no praying on school premises, homo sex education, and etc.) .

Like in several other Montgomery County public locations, there is probably a "gang hot line" (MS13 gang violence is a big issue) phone that can be utilized in case of a "transgendered" locker room emergency.

Anyways...liberals have been telling us for years that there is no difference between the sexes...what is the big deal?

17 posted on 03/05/2008 10:42:24 AM PST by pby
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To: Mr. Silverback

I think we should feel sympathy for these people. But facts are facts. Whatever a person may “feel,” and whatever operations they may have performed upon themselves, they will remain the same sex they were born with.

It’s a sad business, but it helps no one to pretend that reality can be changed or adjusted to fit your preferences.

And the politicians who use these people for their political advantage are beyond disgusting.


18 posted on 03/05/2008 10:44:29 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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19 posted on 03/05/2008 10:47:34 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PeterFinn

Right on!


20 posted on 03/05/2008 10:47:37 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Mr. Silverback
I have a transgendered person in my family, and I want to first acknowledge that people with this disorder go through a great amount of mental anguish and always have my sympathy.

My sympathy and prayers to you and your family. Mental illnesses are tragic. Not well understood, nor treated.
But you right, although this is a burden that the person (and family) will have to bare, there really is no sense in pretending its 'normal'. Nor allowing this nonsense of providing equal access to common bathroom/shower facilities because someone with this affliction 'feels' better in women's clothing. Don't ridicule the person -- but don't delude him into believing that 'all is well' ... because it is not. Prayers, patience, and love are in order -- but not deceit.

21 posted on 03/05/2008 10:47:40 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Mr. Silverback
In part, this shows the power of language (mainly it demonstrates stupidity).

Self-styled “progressives” made substituted “gender” for “sex” — on the basis that “gender” is a social construct. They might be right about “gender” being a social construct — it’s all in how you define “gender” — but, they’ve taken it a step further, and now insist that “sex” is a social construct (rather than biologically determined).

If you are whatever “gender” you think you are (and, by extension, in the muddled logic of “progressives”, also whichever “sex” you wish to be at the moment), then — well then, for a start, you have no shower room barriers.

22 posted on 03/05/2008 10:48:03 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mr. Silverback
American Psychiatric Association classifies gender identity disorder as a mental disorder

for now...

23 posted on 03/05/2008 10:48:23 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: Mr. Silverback
Sounds like the Equal Opportunity For Perverts Act.

As we create more and more "rights" for shall we say the oddballs in society, we put them on equal footing with a normal lady using a restroom. Next thing that happens is the normal lady ends up in court having to "explain" why she is discriminating against the poor oddball who just wants to be treated like everyone else. So now your mom is a lawbreaker for thinking she is entitled to common decency.

24 posted on 03/05/2008 10:49:39 AM PST by Williams
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To: massgopguy
But they’re not bleeping giants are they?

No, they certainly aren't.

25 posted on 03/05/2008 10:50:23 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"...last month when the door to the women’s locker room suddenly opened. In came a man, wearing a blue ruffled skirt and make-up."He was looking for his sister.


26 posted on 03/05/2008 10:51:16 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Well, the point of the locker room is to change from street clothes into the gym shorts and t-shirts.


27 posted on 03/05/2008 10:51:21 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: nina0113

The peeping tom is the one with the mirrors on his shoes. :-)


28 posted on 03/05/2008 10:52:28 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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29 posted on 03/05/2008 10:52:33 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: epluribus_2

Apparently it’s a real disorder and deserving of some compassion, but the left is making us conform to everyone who has a disorder. I have seen this in court and believe me in the eyes of the law the average citizen is treated as the narrow minded misanthropic bigot and is greeted with lots of suspicious, knowing looks by the judge. We definitely are discriminating AGAINST the average or normal person.


30 posted on 03/05/2008 10:53:27 AM PST by Williams
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To: Mr. Silverback

But we’ve been told that troops have nothing to fear from showering with men who suffer from same sex desire.


31 posted on 03/05/2008 10:53:42 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
“Any biological male who is willing to wear a dress and who is feeling transgendered at that particular moment can enter the ladies room or locker room.”

When you remove the dress, you remove the claim to being a crossdressed "woman". We are born naked. The desire to wear the clothes of the other sex is psychological and cultural, not genetic.

32 posted on 03/05/2008 10:55:18 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
SWEEEEEEET!!!!!!! Now I can show my appreciation to my Scottish ancestors and look at naked chicks. Where's this place at????


33 posted on 03/05/2008 10:56:49 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: 353FMG

Yes, it is. The force of law is going to be directed at the churches and hospitals. We are soon going to find out if American Christians deserve freedom. I’d note that one hospital in Puerto Rico cannot perform abortions because the entire nursing staff said they would not assist.


34 posted on 03/05/2008 10:57:14 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
So let me get this straight, if I walk in the ladies' dressing room as a (reasonably) normal guy and just want to be in there, I will probably be arrested as a pervert invading the privacy of the ladies.

But if I put on a skirt and waltz in to check out the ladies, because I have the additional layer of being a man in a dress, they better not discriminate against me?

Just wow.

35 posted on 03/05/2008 10:59:19 AM PST by Williams
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To: Mr. Silverback
I think we need to have a constitutional amendment that gives the people the right to discriminate, in personal affairs, in commerce and in public accommodation for whatever reason they deem necessary.
36 posted on 03/05/2008 11:00:05 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Williams
"...But if I put on a skirt and waltz in to check out the ladies, because I have the additional layer of being a man in a dress, they better not discriminate against me?"

That's correct. There's no such thing as a free lunch. It's only fair that you're required to give the ladies a show in return.

37 posted on 03/05/2008 11:05:23 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Dan Evans

The Freedom to associate precludes the Freedom not to associate. The SCOTUS has already ruled this.


38 posted on 03/05/2008 11:06:26 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Didn't CA pass something like this statewide a while ago? Dunno when it takes effect.

But I feel a "transgendered" moment coming on as soon as I can grab a flight to MD.

Takes a real dope to pass a law like this.

But, they get what they vote for. Vote for a patriotic, Christian conservative who respects life or morality and that's what you get. Vote for an anti-American, athiest lib who has no respect for life or morality and that's what you get.

39 posted on 03/05/2008 11:08:17 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
There are a lot of people who genuinely are anatomically and/or genetically transgendered

The medical term for that is intersex, which has nothing at all to do with being gay.

40 posted on 03/05/2008 11:10:49 AM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Mr. Silverback
Janet Reno
41 posted on 03/05/2008 11:11:14 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I for one will never share a bathroom with males .....I’ll just hold it if I have too....


42 posted on 03/05/2008 11:14:32 AM PST by cherry
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To: massgopguy
The Freedom to associate precludes the Freedom not to associate. The SCOTUS has already ruled this.

That's why we should amend the Bill of Rights to include it.

43 posted on 03/05/2008 11:17:01 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Mr. Silverback

. A child molester or rapist could put on a dress and go right in. So could pornographists.

&&&
Ultimately, that is the point. The perverts who put forth these changes are aiming for a pansexual society in which they have sexual access to our children and our pets.


44 posted on 03/05/2008 11:19:39 AM PST by Bigg Red (Position Wanted: Expd Rep voter looking for a party that is actually conservative.)
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To: isrul
First, I am not saying their comfort supercedes anyone else's, or even that it is a legitimate area for the law to consider.

Second, it's beyond debate that transgenderism is a mental issue. Go pick up any book on it and it's either written by a psychiatrist or it's someone's tale of how they were treated by a psychiatrist for years. Some group of idiots (a minority even in the transsexual community) saying it's not changes nothing.

45 posted on 03/05/2008 11:20:52 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It is not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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LOL! Who didn't see this coming?
46 posted on 03/05/2008 11:26:00 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: rednesss

If your sporran tilts, you’ll be found out.


47 posted on 03/05/2008 11:27:28 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Mr. Silverback

Montgomery County is like Berkeley, from what I hear.


48 posted on 03/05/2008 11:28:19 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: wagglebee

homosexual agenda ping


49 posted on 03/05/2008 11:29:26 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: wagglebee

You beat me to it!


50 posted on 03/05/2008 11:30:15 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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