She's going to treat him like Endora used to treat Darrin.
Posted on 03/05/2008 4:51:17 PM PST by Sub-Driver
Do-over in Michigan and Florida?
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago
Officials in Michigan and Florida are showing renewed interest in holding repeat presidential nominating contests so that their votes will count in the epic Democratic campaign.
The Michigan governor, along with top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign and Florida's state party chair, are now saying they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June. That's a change from their previous insistence that the primaries their states held in January should determine how the their delegates are allocated.
Clinton won both contests, but the results were meaningless because the elections violated national party rules.
The Democratic National Committee stripped both states of all their delegates for holding the primaries too early, and all Democratic candidates — including Clinton and rival Barack Obama — agreed not to campaign in either state. Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.
Florida and Michigan moved up their dates to protest the party's decision to allow Iowa and New Hampshire to go first, followed by South Carolina and Nevada, giving them a disproportionate influence on the presidential selection process.
But no one predicted the race would still be very close this late in the year.
Ironically, Michigan and Florida could have held crucial primaries if they had stayed with their traditional later dates. They may yet do so if they decide to hold new contests as Clinton and Obama compete to the wire.
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Yep, let the RATs pay for it.
This is purely for Hillary’s benefit. The Obama campaign should raise hell about it!
And in the next election we’ll have at least 10 more states seeking a do over. Screw the democrats, they did it to themselves, let them face the wrath of voters who don’t get counted.
This issue is making for very strange bedfellows in Michigan. Do you know who’s against this — Senator Levin! This tactic is very Clintonesque, “change the votes and rules until they’re in your favor.” The Detroit Free Press says that both Clinton and Obama would have to agree to a redo.
Yeah...but what if Obamarama wins...?
First there was no primary. There were unsanctioned elections. Being unsanctioned, the results are meaningless.
The two important states of Michigan and Florida must be represented by delegates having valid credentials.
There must be a redo where the playing field is level.
There will be a new primary in both states.
Nice of us to let democrats vote for republicans if they wished and now we’re supposed to let them go back and vote for democrats?
If that was likely it would not have been put forward. No flying monkeys are as brazen as Clinton’s.
I’ve been on some message boards posing as an obvious Shillary supporter...
“I say Obama voters in MI & FL could have written Obama in if they wanted to. The votes should count as they are in MI & FL!”
It’s sick to think like a Hillary/Demorat cheater.
If the DNC tries to charge DIME ONE to the taxpayers of Michigan, I want to file for an injunction!
Florida law states that these are closed primaries and the voter must be registered 30 days in advance.
It could be argued that by stripping Florida of delegates and having zero campaigning, that many voters had no say in the democrat party so they registered GOP so as to have a vote.
Unless every voter gets another chance to participate, how can it be said that every voter had the chance to vote as they might have pleased had Dean not had his shortsighted hissy fit?
What would be done then? Only registered democrats can vote but what about those who would have registered democrat but did not because they had no say?
What a cluster screw this could become.
I'll be mad as hell if I have to pay for the DNC's planned problem.
The Clinton’s will get their way.
They’ll win this thing with Mich., Fl. and the Supers.
I was thinking it would be fun if we had a series of national primaries. Each time we would knock off the bottom 2, or those with less than 15%, whichever was fewer.
I’m sure most of us on the Republican side would like to have a national do-over. :-)
I want to know if I can go back and vote for a democrat in Michigan if I choose. After all Plenty of democrats got to vote for a republican if they wished and would get to vote for a democrat in a do over.
But the state governments would be foolish to pay for them.
Also, both states are open primaries. What would stop Republicans from going in and burying Hillary?
Both states would also learn breaking party primarys would have no consequences. You can get in an early primary and a do-over too!
“Also, both states are open primaries.”
No, Florida is not an open primary.
I;ll buy that.
She's going to treat him like Endora used to treat Darrin.
>>This tactic is very Clintonesque, “change the votes and rules until they’re in your favor.”
Yup. Nobody plays political Calvinball like the Clintons.
I understand your point but the state may have had a duty to have done more earlier like suing the DNC to force sanctionong.
As it is we don’t have a clear precedent for who controls.....the state or the party
Exactly. I say “no”. But the RATs play by their own rules - which is to say - the “rules” can be changed any time the RAT-bastards don’t like the outcome. They are not called the evil party for nothing.
The problem is.....Michigan is an open primary state. There’s no way to keep GOP voters from flooding the Democrat primary, since there are no party registration documents. Trouble, trouble, trouble.
Crist told reporters at a news conference Tuesday that he does not support having another primary at taxpayer expense. He said he discussed the option with Sen. Bill Nelson, the state's senior Democrat. "He said the only way to consider the possibility of that is to have the Democratic National Committee pay for it," Crist said. The Florida Democratic Party said the state estimates the cost would be $25 million.
Why is the state paying for primaries to begin with? Primaries are party functions. In the states I've worked in, the parties pay for their Primaries.
Why?
There must be a redo where the playing field is level.
Why?
You play the game in the stadium provided.
I totally agree.
Wouldn’t it be great if this went all the way to the Supreme Court and Scalia et al. got to decide?
.....Why.....
Because the convention is a gathering of the states to nominate a candidate. it is completely inappropriate to exclude two states. The whole convention can be contested if two are missing.
If I switched to the GOP so that I could vote for McCain after I was told that the Dem primary would not count, can I now go back and vote for Obama?
MEMO TO RUSH:
Ruh-roh.
The courts have stayed away from interfering with party politics. If the party rules are followed, they are hands off. In this case, the party rules have been followed.
The issue is simply that Hillary is like Gore. She doesn't like the results and is whining for a second try.
On the other hand, I'd be glad to pay for the Rats to have problems! Think of what this would mean for not only this election but the elections for a generation. Especially if Obama's side loses due to this, and whatever other dirty tricks the Beest has up her sleeve, the Rats can kiss the black vote goodbye for many years to come.
Money well spent in that case!
This has been my dream scenario for over a year. That said, I think it plays out better if Clinton steals the delegates without a new primary. The new primary would lend some validity to it, while her just usurping the votes would be seen as the nasty power play it is.
Then they’ll just keep doing over until she wins both.
Florida government at all levels is in the middle of a severe shortfall in tax revenues mostly related to sinking real estate taxes and low retail sales connected to the bust in new home construction.
Yet the pandering RINO governor, Charlie Crist, is talking about spending an estimated $10,000,000 to run a do-over primary for the democrats.
It doesn’t make a difference which party gets elected in any office, local, state or federal - we still get pandering, spendthrift, idiots.
Good point. If she can get enough superdelegates to vote along with her elected ones to vote to seat the MI and FL delegations before the first ballot, that will be seen as first-degree theft of the election! Something tells me that copies of the FBI files are going to loom large.
They can’t run an election, but they want to socialize health care.
This is changing the rules after the fact! But I bet the sheeple can’t figure that out.
I think they ought to do a do-over in all states that Obama lost when John Edwards was still in the race. I think that Obama would have won N. Hampshire had Edwards not been in the race, and probably a few more states as well.
Damn right!
a do-over is still NOT a reasonable solution. Candidates have since dropped out of the race, some never campaigned there as agreed upon.
Silly..it’s not the votes that count but who counts the votes. Why Gov. Fraudaire herself in Wa. can attest to that fact.
I don't see how this is applicable within a specific party. It's their "club", can't they run it the way they see fit?
The Florida democrats were not robbed of a choice. They could have registered as democrats or voted as independents (who don't have a primary either, to my knowledge.)
Obama should do a major buy in Florida and Michigan, starting tomorrow, pounding home the point that the Clintonistas are keeping them from voting in a cynical attempt to steal the nomination, and that Barack “Sweet Home Al” Obama supports a re-vote so “Every Vote Can Be Counted”.
The first candidate on TV in Florida and Michigan demanding a re-vote will have a huge advantage. The candidate who is dragged into supporting a re-vote will look like she wants to steal the votes without a legitimate election.
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