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Obama, Hillary in Civil War
NewsMax ^ | March 6, 2008 | Newsmax Analysis

Posted on 03/07/2008 10:45:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

With Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's decision to stay in the Democratic race to the bitter end, she has signaled a delegate fight all the way to the party's convention in Denver this August.

Both candidates appear in something of a stalemate.

Political strategists have concluded that Clinton cannot overcome Sen. Barack Obama's pledged delegate lead by winning additional primaries.

And despite his lead in electoral and delegate wins, Obama cannot seal his nomination without the support of the party's superdelegates.

Clinton's decision, after winning in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island this week that she would not capitulate has opened up the first skirmishes in a looming Democratic civil war.

Already the intraparty battle -- described by the Boston Globe as "trench warfare" -- has cost the Democrats a whopping $275 million. The war has no end in sight and is shaping up to be a take-no-prisoner's battle.

Consider:

Cash: Both sides are now swimming with the ammunition that politicians need to wage war. Obama announced this week that he raised a stunning $55 million in February. Clinton hasn't matched those numbers, but she is playing catch-up. Since Tuesday, she raked in a cool $3 million.

'Monster' Hillary: Obama foreign policy aide Samantha Power told Britain's Scotsman that Clinton is "a monster . . . she is stooping to anything" and described her circle as being on the "warpath."

Ken Starr: Clinton's campaign lashed out at Obama Thursday, accusing him of becoming another "Ken Starr" because he promised to be more criticial of his opponent. The Obama campaign has complained Clinton has dragged her feet in releasing her tax returns and her documents as first lady.

Florida and Michigan. Both the Obama and Clinton camps are deadlocked on the matter of the Florida and Michigan delegates. Party Chairman Howard Dean says he wants a new vote in those states but he won't use party money to pay for it. That benefits Obama, because Clinton would have likely won those states in a re-vote. If Dean and the Obama can keep the current slate of Florida and Michigan delegates off the convention floor, Clinton's position is further undermined.

Black Revolt: Influential African-Americans like Donna Brazile, Al Sharpton and former Virginia Gov. Douglas Wilder are warning that the Democratic Party may be fractured and crippled if it does not abide by the will of the pledged delegates in picking the nominee.

Meanwhile, the fraternal struggle among Democrats may be netting Republicans support.

Former Bush strategist Karl Rove notes Thursday in The Wall Street Journal "the interesting electoral phenomenon is the emergence of the 'McCainicrats' -- Democrats backing Mr. McCain."

Rove continued: "In three recent polls, (Fox, LA Times/Bloomberg and Gallup), almost twice as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans support Mr. Obama. Three times as many Democrats support Mr. McCain as Republicans back Mrs. Clinton."


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1 posted on 03/07/2008 10:45:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pig in a pantsuit offers # 2 spot to Obama if he knows and keeps his place on the plantation...
2 posted on 03/07/2008 10:46:40 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A quagmire. They should both pull out.


3 posted on 03/07/2008 10:49:03 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Hey, this is FUN!


4 posted on 03/07/2008 10:51:33 AM PST by freepertoo
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Pig in a pantsuit offers # 2 spot to Obama if he knows and keeps his place on the plantation...

LOL! Barack should never take a seat in the back of the bus of that POS!

5 posted on 03/07/2008 10:51:36 AM PST by PGalt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is better than any phony so called reality show could ever be. It’s going to be historically hysterical!


6 posted on 03/07/2008 10:51:58 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You'll notice that she doesn't offer to be his #2.

But he'd never accept her as VP, anyways, unless he'd be willing to spend his entire presidency looking over his shoulder.

7 posted on 03/07/2008 10:54:53 AM PST by SmithL (That's my story & I'm sticking to it!)
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To: SpaceBar

Neither one can win, time to cut & run and save the staff...


8 posted on 03/07/2008 10:55:51 AM PST by Paco
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To: Paco

Yes, its a “Quagmire” No Blood for Democrats! lol


9 posted on 03/07/2008 10:57:07 AM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I hope they claw each other’s eyes out.


10 posted on 03/07/2008 10:58:18 AM PST by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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To: TexasRepublic

The dirt they will drag up will be great.....they will slander the crap out ah each other....True Colors will show


11 posted on 03/07/2008 11:00:22 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is almost too good to be true. The RNC is crushing the DNC in fundraising and McCain can start whaling away at both of them since they have little in the way of policy differences. (No, McCain was not my first choice but he’s now my only choice)


12 posted on 03/07/2008 11:01:19 AM PST by MattinNJ ("Conservatives" will stay home in November and hand the socialists the election. Unbelievable.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

it would be the #2 spot in name only-slick willy will be #2 for all intents and purposes


13 posted on 03/07/2008 11:01:39 AM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Hilary manages to steal the election from Obama, the Dems are going to have a repeat of the ‘68 convention. They may also permanently alienate a large segment of black America. We can only hope.


14 posted on 03/07/2008 11:04:43 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama, Hillary in Civil WarWar of Northern Aggression

Figured I'd fix it before any of the Lost Causers wandered by.

15 posted on 03/07/2008 11:05:32 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Aquinasfan
If Hilary manages to steal the election from Obama, the Dems are going to have a repeat of the ‘68 convention. They may also permanently alienate a large segment of black America.

Which is why I believe that if it comes down to a choice between pissing off her and her supporters and pissing off Obama and his, then the DNC will toss her to the sharks.

16 posted on 03/07/2008 11:06:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: mrmargaritaville
it would be the #2 spot in name only-slick willy will be #2 for all intents and purposes

Forget "Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice," I'll take "Barack and Michelle and Hilary and Bill" for sheer entertainment value anyday. Is it possible for four people to stab each other in the back simultaneously? I guess we'll find out.

17 posted on 03/07/2008 11:07:39 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If McCain wins, it’ll probably be the greatest upset victory since Villanova in 1983.


18 posted on 03/07/2008 11:09:09 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Non-Sequitur
Which is why I believe that if it comes down to a choice between pissing off her and her supporters and pissing off Obama and his, then the DNC will toss her to the sharks.

You're probably right. They're stupid, but they aren't that stupid. I guess our only hope is that Hilary has FBI files on every delegate to the convention 8-)

19 posted on 03/07/2008 11:09:18 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: eXe
Yes, its a “Quagmire” No Blood for Democrats! lol

And Republican cross-over votes in last Tuesday's voting were showing support for the Dem candidates but opposed to their message(s).

The same as super-patriotic (/s) libs "Support the Troops, but oppose their mission."

20 posted on 03/07/2008 11:10:51 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: t1b8zs
The dirt they will drag up will be great...
Great! Worth the entertainment value alone.

they will slander the crap out ah each other...
Eww, that will smart, won't it? What fun!

True Colors will show

And then, when Jerry Springer says, "goodnight," Hillary will march forward with the MSM divisions and cream the crap out of GOP.

21 posted on 03/07/2008 11:11:43 AM PST by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Aquinasfan

four person circle jerk


22 posted on 03/07/2008 11:19:12 AM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Stock up on popcorn."

And don't forget the hot dogs and rasinettes. This is going to be a real three ringer. Oh the humanity! :-)

23 posted on 03/07/2008 11:21:04 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Pig in a pantsuit offers # 2 spot to Obama if he knows and keeps his place on the plantation...

All the Clinton co-Presidents would let him do is be liaison to the White House kitchen and janitorial staff. I.e. "head boy."

24 posted on 03/07/2008 11:22:28 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Aquinasfan
Dems...may also permanently alienate a large segment of black America.

I'll repeat what I posted on another thread: The urban black base will not desert the Demonrat Party unless the Clinton mob literally lynches Obama on the convention floor on live prime-time TV. They're not going to vote for an angry old white man like McCain.

25 posted on 03/07/2008 11:26:44 AM PST by hellbender
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...warning that the Democratic Party may be fractured and crippled...

I think this is Rush's plan.

26 posted on 03/07/2008 11:26:54 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: mrmargaritaville
Except when he's on horndog duty in India or someplace as a roving ambassador.
27 posted on 03/07/2008 11:27:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Figured I'd fix it before any of the Lost Causers wandered by.

Finally, you get it.

28 posted on 03/07/2008 11:30:00 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: PGalt
If this is the civil war, then the black guy would be in the Union, since he'd be against slavery, which would mean the bitch would be on the other side, in favor of slavery.

Oh yeah, that's about right.

29 posted on 03/07/2008 11:30:08 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: hellbender

But if Shrillary is the dim nom, they will stay home.


30 posted on 03/07/2008 11:30:13 AM PST by karnage
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To: Aquinasfan
Forget "Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice," I'll take "Barack and Michelle and Hilary and Bill" for sheer entertainment value anyday.

me thinks that BJ would love a lewinsky from either michelle or flop ears.

31 posted on 03/07/2008 11:32:46 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: t1b8zs

I wonder what kind of tell-all books will come out of these two campaigns?


32 posted on 03/07/2008 11:33:00 AM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting...if ALGORE really wanted to get payback against the Clintons, this is the time.


33 posted on 03/07/2008 11:40:33 AM PST by rod1 (uestion)
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To: mrmargaritaville

>>>>it would be the #2 spot in name only-slick willy will be #2 for all intents and purposes

NOOOO, the lad will be sent on errands around the world, he will be anywhere but the White house. SHE will be running the show and SHE wants HER time in office to be viewed historically as HERS and distanced as far as possible from the scandal ridden administration of “her husband”

I think he wants her to lose.

He can’t stand being second and he doesn’t want people to be able to compare their two administrations.


34 posted on 03/07/2008 11:41:24 AM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keep spending that money and alienating half your base, RATS! Whoever wins will leave the other half of the RATS pissed off and discouraged. That may be McCain’s only chance. I’m no McCain fan, but he’s worlds better than either RAT.


35 posted on 03/07/2008 11:43:35 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Hildabeast somehow pulls this off, everyone will accuse her of getting it by other than legal means even if she didn’t! She is going to be a loser both ways!


36 posted on 03/07/2008 11:45:40 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: hellbender

No, they won’t vote for McCain. They won’t even go to the polls if she takes the nomination from Obama.


37 posted on 03/07/2008 11:46:53 AM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

38 posted on 03/07/2008 11:48:09 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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No, they won’t vote for McCain. They won’t even go to the polls if she takes the nomination from Obama.

I doubt that very much. If she gets the nomination and offers VP to Hussein, he'll probably take it because he's very young and will be assured of the nomination in 8 yr. All the black leaders will then rally around the "unity" or "rainbow" ticket, and the masses will follow them. The black Demon leaders won't leave the plantation, because the plantation is socialist govt., which is the entire basis of their power.

39 posted on 03/07/2008 12:01:11 PM PST by hellbender
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To: USS Alaska
Oh yeah, that's about right.

Exactly. You're exactly right. Thanks for your continued service to this great nation.

40 posted on 03/07/2008 12:05:26 PM PST by PGalt
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To: karnage
But if Shrillary is the dim nom, they will stay home.

Did Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, having lost their own bids, fail to support the Demonrat nominee? No. These guys will back whomever their socialist fellow conspirators nominate. They would do so even if the Republicans nominated a black (remember Michael Steele in MD?).

41 posted on 03/07/2008 12:05:36 PM PST by hellbender
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To: Miss Didi
One of the HILLARY! troops


42 posted on 03/07/2008 12:06:22 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where the heck is all this money coming from?

Why cant we get good conservatives to raise big bucks like that?


43 posted on 03/07/2008 12:09:40 PM PST by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: MattinNJ

“The RNC is crushing the DNC in fundraising “

Are they? Do you have numbers? I had not heard that.


44 posted on 03/07/2008 12:10:17 PM PST by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: Miss Didi

PING for funny graphic “The Uncivil War”.


45 posted on 03/07/2008 12:11:03 PM PST by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: WOSG

Thanks to Rush & the EIB. ;)


46 posted on 03/07/2008 12:14:08 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
'Monster' Hillary

": Obama foreign policy aide Samantha Power told Britain's Scotsman that Clinton is "a monster . . . she is stooping to anything" and described her circle as being on the "warpath."

Now who can argue with that?

Damn straight Hillzilla is on a rampaging "warpath", it's scorched earth time in Hillary Land.

She's bitter, angry, and she deserves this coronation. It's hers, baby!!! And like a spoiled little petulant princess she is going to destroy, demeanize, rip-apart her opponents like Saddam sending his enemies into a paper shredder.

47 posted on 03/07/2008 12:14:33 PM PST by harpo11 (2 Political Parties. 2 Dominant Political Families. Bush-Clinton. No More Dynasty In USA.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Ahh..true that the dhims will throw Hillary! to the sharks BUT when they annoint Obama-lama-ding-dong, they loose the Jewish vote...and with it, Florida.


48 posted on 03/07/2008 12:32:26 PM PST by TxAg1981
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To: TxAg1981
Ahh..true that the dhims will throw Hillary! to the sharks BUT when they annoint Obama-lama-ding-dong, they loose the Jewish vote...and with it, Florida.

I doubt that they've been counting on Florida. All they have to do is win the same states they won in 2004 plus Ohio and it'll be President Obama-lama-ding-dong. Not impossible.

49 posted on 03/07/2008 12:36:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Already the intraparty battle -- described by the Boston Globe as "trench warfare" -- has cost the Democrats a whopping $275 million.

Someone oughta bring this up the next time either one of them campaigns to raise our taxes. If the Dems love an overbearing government so much, they should pay for it themselves. And the same question should be asked to any RINO who advocated the same.

50 posted on 03/07/2008 12:59:06 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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