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Irish Terrorism Goes Islamic (IRA and muslim terrorists)
Strategy Page ^ | March 7th, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 03/07/2008 2:30:58 PM PST by 2banana

March 5, 2008: Britain's MI-5 (domestic intelligence service) has expanded its operations in the neighboring Irish Republic, after increased al Qaeda, and Islamic radical, activity was detected. Three Afghan men were recently arrested, in a room full of bomb making materials. There are dozens of similar suspects under surveillance. For the last three decades, Ireland and Britain have cooperated on domestic security issues, initially because of a mutual need to keep an eye on the IRA (Irish Republican Army) terrorists. The IRA has devolved into a criminal gang, but al Qaeda, and other Islamic radical groups have found Ireland a convenient place to hide out and plan their next atrocity. The Irish economy has been booming for the last decade, and suffering an ongoing labor shortage. If Islamic radicals can slip into the country, they can find work, and cover in the many immigrant neighborhoods. MI-5 has used its more extensive databases and capabilities to help the Irish counter-terrorism police identify potential terrorist cells.

There have been no Islamic terrorist attacks in Ireland yet, but the latest arrests indicate that it's only a matter of time.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ira; muslim; terrorism; terrorists
Hmmmm....

I wouldn't be surprised if the IRA was itself the greatest protection against Muslim terrorism in Ireland.

Would make a good debate...

1 posted on 03/07/2008 2:30:59 PM PST by 2banana
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To: 2banana

they worked hand in hand with the Palestinians during the seventies. I wouldn’t count on them being a bulwark against the islamofascists.


2 posted on 03/07/2008 2:32:48 PM PST by kms61
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To: 2banana

O’Bama or O’reilly ?


3 posted on 03/07/2008 2:34:03 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: kms61
They have brought their stench world over.
4 posted on 03/07/2008 2:35:55 PM PST by fantom
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To: kms61

Maybe. I think the IRA would be hard pressed to maintain a relationship with Islamofacists if they killed innocent Irishmen, however.


5 posted on 03/07/2008 2:38:34 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: kms61

I was not aware of this. Can you provide some more info? Thank you.


6 posted on 03/07/2008 2:44:51 PM PST by philled (Tá mé, tá tú, tá sé...)
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To: Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; col kurz; ...

Ireland ping! Terrorists is terrorists, Irish_Thatcherite would say, if he were from these parts :-).


7 posted on 03/07/2008 2:45:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (I am snide and not intellectual today. How are you doing?)
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To: vladimir998

I am reminded of the Irish jokes, “Find an Irishman on the spit and you can find another Irishman to turn it.” And then there’s the definition of Irish Alzheimers, “You forget everything but the grudge.”

More seriously, when I was in the North a few years ago, the road from Armagh to Portadown was lined with Palestinian and Israeli flags—different houses, different flags. The R.C.s were flying the Palestinian colors and the Orangemen were flying the Israeli flag. But, the IRA and the Islamofascists have a shared explosive history of arms dealing. The IRA must love O’Bomba. But, my overall impression of the scene in that in the North the political patina masked drug dealing gangs kicking each other’s heads in with steel-toed boots.


8 posted on 03/07/2008 2:52:44 PM PST by Pinetop
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To: 2banana

No, the IRA is not the enemy of Islam. The IRA trained the Palis in explosive techniques and in fact IRA “technicians” have often been arrested in sweeps in Latin America, where they train Middle Easterners in neutral territory.

The IRA is a hate-filled Marxist terrorist organization. Some day Islam will swallow them, too; but the IRA, like ETA, is busy dancing with the devil.


9 posted on 03/07/2008 2:55:32 PM PST by livius
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To: philled

it’s been pretty well documented. Here it’s mentioned in a paper by someone at the USAF command and staff college. Quote and link below. They also worked with the Baader-Meinhof gang and the Japanese Red Army, BTW.

“...In addition to linkages between the PFLP and various terrorist groups in Latin America, Europe, and Japan, PFLP ties to the Irish Republican Army (IRA) are worth noting. According to several sources, these links date back to 1968-69, when IRA cadres reportedly began training in various Palestinian guerrilla camps. During May 1972 this informal arrangement was formalized at a Dublin conference of several terrorist organizations. At this gathering the PFLP pledged assistance to the IRA in the form of arms shipments as well as diplomatic support from various radical Arab states. Among these, Libya had been prominent in its vocal endorsement of the IRA and reportedly has provided five million pounds sterling for IRA operations. Libya also seems to have become a significant source for IRA’s weapons, as evidenced in the April 1973 capture of West German gunrunning vessel, the Claudia, off the Irish coast. The ship was loaded with arms sent from Libya.”

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1976/jan-feb/russell.html


10 posted on 03/07/2008 2:56:38 PM PST by kms61
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To: livius

“The IRA is a hate-filled Marxist terrorist organization. Some day Islam will swallow them, too; but the IRA, like ETA, is busy dancing with the devil.”

Since one side of me is the Kerryman side, it saddens me to agree with you.


11 posted on 03/07/2008 2:59:09 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: 2banana

“I wouldn’t be surprised if the IRA was itself the greatest protection against Muslim terrorism in Ireland.”

I doubt it. Al-Qaeda is much better organized than the IRA and they have vastly more resources, worlwide. It may be the other way around where A.Q. allows the IRA to co-exist in order to augment future terror and mayhem.


12 posted on 03/07/2008 2:59:23 PM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: Kolokotronis; Frank Sheed

It saddens me and Irish_Thatcherite, too. An Irish person, particularly a religious Irish person, intuitively wants to support independenc/reunification. “Quiet Man,” and all that. James Connolly.

But the fact is, the IRA are Marxists, and they’re hand in glove with all the worst people in the world.


13 posted on 03/07/2008 3:08:58 PM PST by Tax-chick (I am snide and not intellectual today. How are you doing?)
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To: livius
The IRA is a hate-filled Marxist terrorist organization.

Thank you for that reminder. At one point in the late 80's I had a brief correspondence with an imprisoned IRA terrorist who was quite open with their Marxist ideology. He was kind enough to send me brochures as well. Too many folks like to conveniently forget that part of them.

14 posted on 03/07/2008 3:13:52 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: 2banana

money talks for terrorists...if the price were right, the IRA would work with the muzzies


15 posted on 03/07/2008 3:22:31 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: vladimir998

The IRA killed innocent Irish men , women and children for more than 30 years! That’s what they were all about.


16 posted on 03/07/2008 4:01:03 PM PST by Godwin1 (T)
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To: Godwin1

You wrote:

“The IRA killed innocent Irish men , women and children for more than 30 years! That’s what they were all about.”

Often enough, yes. And one day they may be able to kill not so innocent Muslims and claim to be defending innocent Irishmen as a propaganda victory. That was my point.


17 posted on 03/07/2008 4:20:49 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Retired Greyhound

“money talks for terrorists...if the price were right, the IRA would work with the muzzies”

That is exactly right. The IRA has whored themselves with the Nazis, the Communists, and the Islamics (PLO).


18 posted on 03/07/2008 4:21:36 PM PST by Levante
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To: Tax-chick

I too am saddened. At one time, the greatest export from Ireland was the Irish themselves. Those were the olden days, Mrs. Tax.

Prosperity changes everything. I knew something was afoot when, some years back, the young woman who called me from “my local bank” was actually a “colleen” calling me from Dublin...no joke! The “back rooms” and checking services of most banks were then in Ireland. I guess things have gone far past that now.


19 posted on 03/07/2008 4:22:01 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: 2banana

The IRA or “new IRA” are such a group of thugs selling out to the highest bidder, since they no longer fight for Ireland they have to get income from somewhere. Forget profiling for Abdul Ibrahim, start looking out for the Sean O Farrell’s of the world, or as several Irishman have converted to Islam look out for Khalid O’Kelly’s. Dublin and Shannon Airports are wide open and it’s long been said that the next UK terrorist act will be launched from Ireland. My hometown in the West of Ireland is heavily populated with Muslims and they could be up to anything way up in the hills.


20 posted on 03/07/2008 4:30:26 PM PST by Saoirise (From the halls of Montezuma to the streets of Berkeley)
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To: Frank Sheed; Kolokotronis

As a generalization, when a country is exporting its young people, something is wrong with the country. A country should provide opportunities for its citizens. Religious or economic missionaries are an exception, as they are accepting deprivation in order to impove the lives of others.

Marxism/socialism is bad, wherever it exists, and the IRA is Marxist. On top of that, there seems to be a global confluence of dead-end terrorist organizations, whether they explicitly subscribe to Marxism or not.


21 posted on 03/07/2008 4:40:17 PM PST by Tax-chick (I am snide and not intellectual today. How are you doing?)
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To: Tax-chick

In the late 90’s Ireland’s economy took off, it was known as the Celtic Tiger so all the sons and daughters of Erin returned home. Ireland had prosperity for the first time it’s recent history. Ireland tried to limit it’s immigration but got criticism because numerous countries allowed the Irish to immigrate to their shores and felt Ireland should return the favor. There was a labor shortage so immigrants from East Europe, Africa and Middle East all poured in to Ireland and there you have it, the melting pot with Islamic extremists swirling around the pot’s edges. Sadly, the Ireland of the Quite Man no longer exists (well in some remote villages, but it is on it’s way out.)


22 posted on 03/07/2008 4:57:25 PM PST by Saoirise (From the halls of Montezuma to the streets of Berkeley)
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To: Saoirise; Frank Sheed

Yes, I understand. My husband is in the computer networking field, and he knows some people who went to work in Ireland.

The low birthrate is what leads to the immigration from foreign cultures. That, and a minimum wage and/or welfare structure that allows native citizens to live without taking lower wage jobs. We have it here in the U.S., much more drastically than Ireland because of the long, porous border with Mexico.

It’s not bad that the Ireland of the “Quiet Man” is out of date. I’m a big fan of antibiotics, anesthesia, and indoor plumbing. But ideally, a country should have jobs for its citizens, and should have citizens for its labor needs!


23 posted on 03/07/2008 5:34:59 PM PST by Tax-chick (I am snide and not intellectual today. How are you doing?)
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To: Tax-chick; Saoirise

I believe the problem is the E.U. It is not only Ireland, but Poland, the Czechs and the Baltic countries as well. The countries gave up their soul for a piece of the economic pie. Now, Ireland is prosperous and these other countries I mentioned are growing more so. However, they have lost their identity and are part of this mammoth bureaucracy propped up in Brussels. The same thing is happening to the U.S. in a way but has not gotten here fully yet. At some point we will be one conglomerate with a “bozo” currency of some kind.

It is sad that a nation that suffered for so long due to its Catholicity and its supposed backwardness is now just a suburb of England with all that that entails. What was to love about Ireland was its people and their total faith in God; not its weather nor its location. How very sad.


24 posted on 03/07/2008 6:07:14 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed; Tax-chick
Over the past 15 years, the “Europeanization” of Greece has been similarly dramatic, especially the past 6 years or so. I am of two minds about what has happened down in the old country. I can remember being in Greece in the early 90s and being disgusted with the trash which had been dumped everywhere. Find a ravine in the mountains, miles from the nearest village, let alone within village limits and it was full of black plastic trash bags. In Athens, the trash problem became overwhelming so the city government instituted a recycling program. There were large recycling bins on each block right next to the block dumpsters. The Greeks wouldn;t use them; they simply threw the recyclables into the trash dumpsters. When I commented to one of my uncles that the Europeans would stop coming if the country got much dirtier, he replied that if the Europeans didn;t like it, the Europeans could clean it up (the same went for straight pipe sewers running into the Med). In those days the Greeks saw themselves as Levantines, not Europeans, and as being religiously and thus culturally very different from “the Europeans”. But in addition to being dirty, Greece's infrastructure was still in the shambles left by the civil war and its people were very, very poor. In my maternal village, it seems like half the houses were ruins. In other villages it was worse. Now, however, things have changed. I have seen infrastructure marvels there the like of which I have never seen here. The water is now cleaned up, there is no trash in the countryside, the economy is good and even in the country the people are prosperous and seem to walk with a bounce in their steps. They are confident about their future and that of their children. In my village those tumbled down houses have virtually all been rebuilt and we just finished building a brand new church (the 12th in a village of about 250 people!). The downside is that the EU has no understanding or appreciation of Orthodoxy, no more than it has for the Roman Catholicism of Ireland or Poland. EU regs have cut into the influence and authority of The Church and that has had the effect of creating a sort of odd Greek agnosticism (not atheism; Greeks know all about that from the communists and extreme socialists)which has lead to immorality among younger Greeks which used to be confined to the European vacationers. Abortion is growing fast and while the divorce rate is still relatively low, it is growing.

Personally, I think that EU induced prosperity has much to do with the bad changes but in all honesty I think that the intent to be “bad” was formed before the influence of the EU got very powerful and came from watching American TV and movies and listening to American and British music. The Greeks had the most deplorable ability to pick the very worst we had to offer and embrace it! EU prosperity just provided the Greeks with the wherewithal to do what they already wanted to do.

Things do seem to be changing, though. More and more young people are going to church and getting involved in the running of the local parishes. The monasteries are filling up with novices, new ones established and old ones, abandoned for decades and more are being reopened. The birth rate isn't growing so that's a problem, especially with an influx of Mohammedans from the Middle East and Africa into the country. But so far Greece has known what to do about that and has consistently defied the EU-crats with their “human rights” edicts. In entry of Eastern European Orthodox countries into the EU and with Poland seemingly still strong in its Roman Catholicism, maybe things will work out alright. Right now, things look pretty good and my bet is that it will get even better.

25 posted on 03/08/2008 4:46:01 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Very interesting. There are definitely some parallels with Ireland.

It sounds as though there have been major changes in Greece since my parents were there. Mom said it was one of the dirtiest countries she’d visited. (Mid 90’s, I think.)


26 posted on 03/08/2008 5:46:23 AM PST by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Tax-chick

“Mom said it was one of the dirtiest countries she’d visited. (Mid 90’s, I think.)”

I used to call Athens “Mexico City East”, but trust me, no more. Nowadays, likely because of the 2004 Olympics, Athens is so clean it would compare favorably to say, Copenhagen. People are very proud of the way the city looks and seem to want to keep it that way. The real problem there is air pollution. They have made some progress against it but the physical situation of Athens together with the number of cars there makes it difficult. The countryside now, however, is almost spotless.


27 posted on 03/08/2008 5:57:25 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
People are very proud of the way the city looks and seem to want to keep it that way. ... The countryside now, however, is almost spotless.

That's wonderful. If people are proud of their country, and proud of themselves for the way they're fixing up their country, then one can hope that eventually they'll decide the country should continue to be populated by Greeks, so they'll have some babies :-).

28 posted on 03/08/2008 6:09:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Tax-chick; Kolokotronis

Greece exported Plato, Socrates and democracy, and the West exported “Bay Watch,” “Jerry Springer” and the “Price is Right” to satellite dishes around the globe.

Ireland exported people who worked hard, and a strong belief in the Catholic faith, and the West exported the U.N./E.U. bureaucracies with their attendant abortion/contraception policies.

Do you see an underlying thread here? Birth rates drop and somebody has to do the dirty work so...


29 posted on 03/08/2008 8:51:03 AM PST by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

“Do you see an underlying thread here?”

Yes, FS, I do. In a perverse way, I am almost glad that the West, lead by the US, has launched a crusade of sorts against Eastern Christianity. Distrust, even near hatred, of the West is growing in Eastern Christian countries which in turn may lead to a rejection of the death culture the West brings with it these days.


30 posted on 03/08/2008 11:00:43 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Frank Sheed; Kolokotronis

If Greece and Ireland aren’t part of “the West,” then I’m confused. Didn’t we have to read all those Greeky guys in “Western Civilization” class, and James Joyce, too (speaking of unspeakable exports ...)?


31 posted on 03/08/2008 11:36:11 AM PST by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Tax-chick; Frank Sheed

“Didn’t we have to read all those Greeky guys in “Western Civilization” class, and James Joyce, too (speaking of unspeakable exports ...)?”

Anglo Saxon proddies will hijack just about anyone’s history if it suits their purposes.


32 posted on 03/08/2008 11:39:35 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Impetuous.


33 posted on 03/08/2008 11:42:25 AM PST by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Tax-chick

Tread lightly, dear...

;-o)


34 posted on 03/08/2008 12:25:13 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Surely we can agree that Ireland is “the West,” can’t we? “Hurrah for the men of the West!” and all that.


35 posted on 03/08/2008 1:00:02 PM PST by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Tax-chick

I consider it the West, sure. Whether “Eastern” Orthodox do or not is not for me to say.

The “West” (ya’ll and we’all) is due to run out of steam at some point and when it does, ho boy! You are doing your part to keep the civilization going, but a great many slouches are not doing their part.

Have some nice South African wine, dear. I must settle for only beer tonight as I was too lazy to make a trip out to the local “alcohol” shop. [Unless, of course, I hit the Paddy early which could end up as being my excuse in Confession for missing Mass. I’d prefer to miss the Paddy; my Guardian Angel warned me about that.


36 posted on 03/08/2008 2:14:39 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

I’m out of wine, too. Der Prinz is coming back from camp tonight with Elen - I expect it was mighty cold in Boone last night - and maybe he’ll bring some. They’ll have to stop somewhere for supper.

My guardian angel reminded me that we “Spring Forward” tonight, or I’d have been late to Mass tomorrow - a disaster when one is leading the choir :-).


37 posted on 03/08/2008 2:19:55 PM PST by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Tax-chick

An hour late as choir leader would be quite the “faux pas.” I could imagine how things would sound without their coveted “coloratura sorpano” taking care of business.

;-o)


38 posted on 03/08/2008 3:50:46 PM PST by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

That’s me, a “sorpano” :-). I’m certainly not a real soprano, but the closest thing the Spanish choir has. (Not a real Spanish speaker, either, but at least we have some of those!)

Anoreth is going to a Baptist church this morning with her Girl Scout troop. Must remind her to be *very* polite! I haven’t been to a Protestant service in three years, I guess - Elen’s Brownie troop went to the Methodist service once. I still knew the hymns.


39 posted on 03/09/2008 5:33:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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