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Orderly Universe: Evidence of God?
ABC News ^ | March 2, 2008 | John Allen Paulos

Posted on 03/07/2008 4:40:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..

Romans 1:22-23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

1 posted on 03/07/2008 4:40:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; editor-surveyor; DaveLoneRanger; GodGunsGuts; AndrewC; ...

Occasional occurrences of small amounts of order might show up at random. The vast amounts of order, complexity, and information that have existed for so long, that some people believe could have just happened is way beyond anything that is believable by chance.


2 posted on 03/07/2008 4:46:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, whatever. Problem is this guy is a math professor. Recent high level discussions of the place of math in this universe have tended toward the idea that there's simply no end to mathematical complexity ~ and the only part of it that's any use is that little bit that conforms to this universe.

Math is, as it turns out, a creation of the mind.

3 posted on 03/07/2008 4:47:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And if I may add:

(Matthew 7:13) Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

(Matthew 7:14) But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

4 posted on 03/07/2008 4:50:25 PM PST by Muleteam1
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To: metmom

I think you mean the appearance of order. (Personally, I have no idea what light bulbs have to do with God.)

Suppose you had an immense grid and you randomly decided to place marbles in particular squares. At any given time, within this grid, there would be clearly defined letters, shapes, and even images. Of course, this does not mean that the grid, as a whole, is ordered. An honest academic should acknowledge this.


5 posted on 03/07/2008 4:51:48 PM PST by flintsilver7
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Although there is certainly no need for yet another argument against the seemingly ineradicable silliness of "creation science," these light bulb experiments and the unexpected order that occurs so naturally in them do seem to provide one.

They are moving in the right direction even if they don't know it. Once the big bang theory was accepted as the most likely explanation for the creation of the universe a recognition of God as the designer is inevitable.

6 posted on 03/07/2008 4:52:06 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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A Mathematician Explains Why The Arguments for God Just Don't Add Up

It never ceases to amaze me how prideful and arrogant some are who think they know more than God. And this author attempts it because he's a mathematician. It's known man only uses 10% plus or minus a bit of his brain and yet attempt to go against The Creator in knowledge and wisdom. The natural man vs. a Supernatural God. It's laughable. The author is so pumped up about himself; yet, without the grace of God he couldn't take his next breath. Fools, indeed!
7 posted on 03/07/2008 4:54:02 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom

Look at naturally occuring fractals.

That’s all I’m gonna say about that


8 posted on 03/07/2008 4:54:31 PM PST by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It has long been known that mathematics has nothing to do with the natural world. It is something, but descriptive it is not. Evolution is a descriptive science, which is to say it is not a science of laws like physics. There are different things going on here and they should not be lumped together.


9 posted on 03/07/2008 4:58:06 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: muawiyah

10 posted on 03/07/2008 5:00:26 PM PST by BlueDragon (aah, the luxury of being just another poor, anonymous slob!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT


11 posted on 03/07/2008 5:01:45 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Explaining a complex yet knowable system (the universe) with a more complex system that is off-limits for scientific study (God, or whoever) is not science. You can speculate about it all you want - and that is not bad - but until there is a way to test it, it is just an idea, not even close to a hypothesis.


12 posted on 03/07/2008 5:02:06 PM PST by PC99
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This applies to everything, including the currently “accepted” scientific theory that all matter and energy that exists today ultimately arose from nothing.


13 posted on 03/07/2008 5:05:20 PM PST by flintsilver7
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To: muawiyah
a creation of the mind

Maybe, but it is also self-evident, meaning that it doesn't need the Supreme Court to rule when it is valid or not. But, none of it conforms to the universe, a strange thing when it is itself part of the universe. Maybe close enough for practical purposes we can impress ourselves with.

14 posted on 03/07/2008 5:05:53 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Since they can imagine no way for this to happen, they conclude there must be an intelligent designer, a God. (They leave aside the prior question of how He arose.)

What he forgets is that science postulates singularity with no explanation of how IT arose.

15 posted on 03/07/2008 5:06:34 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RightWhale

Some of it’s close enough for government work.


16 posted on 03/07/2008 5:07:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: flintsilver7
all matter and energy that exists today ultimately arose from nothing.

Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. All we can do is look at what we can see and try to make sense of it. That's what we do and what would we do if we didn't do that?

17 posted on 03/07/2008 5:08:02 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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thank goodness there are such smart people to show us dummies all the answers


18 posted on 03/07/2008 5:08:54 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: wmfights
Once the big bang theory was accepted as the most likely explanation for the creation of the universe a recognition of God as the designer is inevitable.

Depends on what the meaning of "Bang" is.

Kidding aside, this persons kind of logic is akin to an atomic bomb going off in the desert resulting in the creation of a city.
Face the music, not only did all the matter in the universe spring out of nothing, but also all manner of organizing laws.
Science is not allowed to comment on what happened before the Bang 'cause if there is nothing, then there is no observation. Science is a handy tool to find our way around this creation.

Im getting weary of the convoluted, backward thinking of those who cant accept that there might be a God who is there.

19 posted on 03/07/2008 5:09:12 PM PST by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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To: flintsilver7
This applies to everything, including the currently “accepted” scientific theory that all matter and energy that exists today ultimately arose from nothing.

Which is not any more sound that God creating everything from nothing.

So why do scientists mock the idea that a creator created everything from nothing and then with a straight face, expect us to believe that everything arose from nothing all on its own?

20 posted on 03/07/2008 5:09:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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