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Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's "silly" Irish peace claims
The Telegraph ^ | 3/8/2008 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 03/07/2008 8:57:26 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Lord Trimble says she was not involved in peace process.

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.


Hillary Clinton with the Rev Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness
after their meeting in Washington last year

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years.

Lord Trimble shared the Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume, leader of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party, in 1998. Conall McDevitt, an SDLP negotiator and aide to Mr Hume during the talks, said: "There would have been no contact with her either in person or on the phone. I was with Hume regularly during calls in the months leading up to the Good Friday Agreement when he was taking calls from the White House and they were invariably coming from the president."

Central to Mrs Clinton’s claim of an important Northern Ireland role is a meeting she attended in Belfast in with a group of women from cross-community groups. "I actually went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did," she said in Nashua, New Hampshire on January 6th.

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.

"And I wasn’t sure it was going to be very successful and finally a Catholic woman on one side of the table said, ’You know, every time my husband leaves for work in the morning I worry he won’t come home at night.

"And then a Protestant woman on the other side said, ’Every time my son tries to go out at night I worry he won’t come home again’. And suddenly instead of seeing each other as caricatures and stereotypes they saw each other as human beings and the slow, hard work of peace-making could move forward."

There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

The "Belfast Telegraph" reported the next day that the café meeting was crammed with reporters, cameramen and Secret Service agents. Conversation "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" and Mrs Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot, which was duly given to her, for keeping the brew "so nice and hot".


Hillary Clinton meeting with Belfast women in 1995 and the teapot she admired

Among those attending were women from groups representing single parents, relationship counsellors, youth workers and a cultural society. In her 2003 autobiography "Living History", Mrs Clinton wrote about the meeting in some detail but made no claim that it was significant.

Rather than it being the first time the women had met, Mrs Clinton wrote: "Because they were willing to work across the religious divide, they had found common ground." Mary Fox, the wife of a former IRA prisoner and one of the seven women at the meeting, said she had been there on behalf of the Footprints community centre. "It was quite a political change for the women’s sector after the visit of Hillary Clinton. We would love to see her as president. She spoke to each of us and was very interested in our work. She was lovely."

Mr McDevitt said: "I’ve always had a theory that these people were already well networked. Maybe they needed a bit of bringing together and she [Mrs Clinton] was an ideal focus point." Once a peace deal was in place, Mrs Clinton supported women politicians and was always available if they visited Washington "to give them a pat on the back, give them moral support", he added.

"So in a classic woman politicky sort of way I think she was active...She was certainly investing some time, no doubt about it. Whether she was involved on the issue side I think probably not." Some of the people Mrs Clinton met went on to help found the Women’s Coalition, which took part in the Good Friday talks. Lord Trimble said: "The Women’s Coalition will think they were important. Other people beg to differ."

Steven King, a negotiator with Lord Trimble’s Ulster Unionist Party, argued that Mrs Clinton might even have helped delay the chances of peace. "She was invited along to some pre-arranged meetings but I don’t think she exactly brought anybody together that hadn’t been brought together already," he said. Mrs Clinton was "a cheerleader for the Irish republican side of the argument", he added.

"She really lost all credibility when on Bill Clinton’s last visit to Northern Ireland [in December 2000] when she hugged and kissed [Sinn Fein leaders] Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness."

Responding to inquiries from this newspaper, Hillary Clinton’s campaign issued a statement from Mr Hume. "I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as First Lady," the statement said.

"I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland. She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process.

"There is no doubt that the people of Northern Ireland think very positively of Hillary Clinton’s support for our peace process, due to her visits to Northern Ireland and her meetings with so many people. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2008; hillary; northernireland

1 posted on 03/07/2008 8:57:28 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

If Hillary says it then it’s true.... not.


2 posted on 03/07/2008 9:00:54 PM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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To: bruinbirdman

3 posted on 03/07/2008 9:05:09 PM PST by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Hitlery = BS personified.


4 posted on 03/07/2008 9:11:52 PM PST by doc1019 (God is in control ... not Global Warming.)
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To: bruinbirdman; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; All
The woman is a miracle worker. No doubt about it.
Why I even heard that once while in England she went to Dover and crossed the English Channel. Walking on water, of course.
There's no end to the woman's talents.
</sarcasm>
5 posted on 03/07/2008 9:13:08 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Old Sarge
"She really lost all credibility when on Bill Clinton’s last visit to Northern Ireland [in December 2000] when she hugged and kissed [Sinn Fein leaders] Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness."



'Her pathology may be delusional....or congenital......or perhaps, marital.'

6 posted on 03/07/2008 9:19:12 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul politicians. The Ship of State needs a good scrubbing!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

She was named after famed mountain climber Sir Edmund Hillary you know;)


7 posted on 03/07/2008 9:24:12 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

Renamed, she was three at the time he climbed Everest!


8 posted on 03/07/2008 9:26:38 PM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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To: bruinbirdman
The woman is delusional. She is a Psychotic Witch on Wheels. Bubba was chasing Monica because his wife was playing footsie with other women.

Everybody with half a brain knows Hillary is a 'switch hitter.' Look at all her girl friends: Rosy for one. They all wear the official lesbian uniform. And the Dimocrats want Americans to put up with that sick White House Soap Opera again _________?

Obama's aide ought to have stuck to her guns. She was 100% correct. Mrs. Clinton is a real, demented Monster.

9 posted on 03/07/2008 9:29:16 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: bruinbirdman

Thanks for the tagline, Lord Trimble.


10 posted on 03/07/2008 9:45:57 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("a wee bit silly" Lord Trimble on Hillary Clinton)
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To: bruinbirdman

I love that description, Hillary’s new nickname:
WBS for “wee bit silly”!


11 posted on 03/07/2008 9:51:44 PM PST by baa39 (Defend our troops! see my profile page)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
Excerpt:

Lord Trimble says she was not involved in peace process.

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province...

12 posted on 03/07/2008 9:55:17 PM PST by nutmeg (Obama supporters: Drink the Kool-Aid? Yes we can!)
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To: bruinbirdman

It takes an Irishman to know who is speaking blarney when he hears it! And - Thank goodness she didn’t try to kiss the blarney stone when she visited there - it would have crumbled in “wee” bits!


13 posted on 03/07/2008 10:32:58 PM PST by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: bruinbirdman

Hillary a poseur? That’s a good one.


14 posted on 03/07/2008 10:33:54 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Old Sarge; bruinbirdman; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000; Lady Jag; ...

"Monster" or "just a wee bit silly"

15 posted on 03/07/2008 10:43:18 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: bruinbirdman

This article is devastating, and cuts to heart of the Clinton campaign.

If she is faking a resume, everything about her experience, being ready and tested, blah blah, blah...is baloney.

Waiting for crusaders in our press to let people know about this important development...
Still waiting...
Still waiting...
...................


16 posted on 03/07/2008 10:48:43 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: PhilDragoo

LOLOL! I choose...MONSTER!

I absolutely LOVE that graphic!

Thank you, Phil!


17 posted on 03/07/2008 10:57:50 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: bruinbirdman

She is starting to sound as narcissistic as her husband. Gosh, the next thing you know, she’ll be claiming she invented the Internet! Oh, wait, that was Bill’s VP. Never mind (except for the narcissistic part).


18 posted on 03/07/2008 11:07:55 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: bruinbirdman

19 posted on 03/08/2008 5:05:40 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: nutmeg

Wonder if the cable stations will inform voters.


20 posted on 03/08/2008 7:46:45 AM PST by StarFan
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To: ex-Texan
And the Dimocrats want Americans to put up with that sick White House Soap Opera again _________?

It's not just the Democrats anymore..............

21 posted on 03/08/2008 8:18:23 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve


22 posted on 03/08/2008 4:38:50 PM PST by potlatch
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To: nutmeg

Yet another Hillary lie exposed.

s/ I’m sure I’ll hear this on the cable news. /s


23 posted on 03/08/2008 5:26:44 PM PST by Bigg Red (Position Wanted: Expd Rep voter looking for a party that is actually conservative.)
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To: bruinbirdman
"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there."

Is this delusion or outright lying? I really question her sanity.

24 posted on 03/08/2008 5:33:27 PM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: potlatch

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Hillar! also co-starred in “The Quiet Man”


25 posted on 03/08/2008 6:08:35 PM PST by devolve (------- --------Bob Dole without the honesty? ---------------That`s a tired old idea!)
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To: devolve

She was a boxer? Lol

“If you say three, mister, you’ll never hear the man count ten”


26 posted on 03/08/2008 8:27:47 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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Speaking of movies - I saw my TR today in a scene on Lauderdale beach - some guy in sunglasses was driving it


27 posted on 03/08/2008 8:55:13 PM PST by devolve (------- --------Bob Dole without the honesty? ---------------That`s a tired old idea!)
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To: devolve
Was it THIS guy??


28 posted on 03/08/2008 8:59:21 PM PST by potlatch
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To: bruinbirdman
"She really lost all credibility when on Bill Clinton’s last visit to Northern Ireland [in December 2000] when she hugged and kissed [Sinn Fein leaders] Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness."

What's with Hillary always kissing the bad guys?

And why won't the New York Times give a flip about this story?

29 posted on 03/08/2008 9:08:54 PM PST by GOPJ (A baby can't say Chinese additives makes the formula taste “funny" .. or poisonous,)
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To: potlatch

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Exactly!

A few years back

I did not have my WebTV hooked up to vidcap that scene - it was a clip from the movie that will be on Optimum Cable TMC CH-76 this coming week


30 posted on 03/08/2008 9:11:44 PM PST by devolve (------- --------Bob Dole without the honesty? ---------------That`s a tired old idea!)
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To: devolve

[ it was a clip from the movie that will be on Optimum Cable TMC CH-76 this coming week]

That was my first thought!! Also VCR if you have one hooked up. You need to make a note of the day and time so you won’t forget about it. How neat!!

I WANT to see that!


31 posted on 03/08/2008 9:14:35 PM PST by potlatch
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To: GOPJ
"And why won't the New York Times give a flip about this story?"

American media: Wait for it to break in foreign press, then they can say they didn't break it, so it's not their story.

Later, it's old news.

yitbos

32 posted on 03/08/2008 9:55:20 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman
American media: Wait for it to break in foreign press, then they can say they didn't break it, so it's not their story. Later, it's old news.

You're right on this... MSM bias has gone from haphazard to regimented. A new tradition? Maybe. Is this system - a system of not reporting bad news about democrats - written up in their style books or is it part of the shameful, unwritten insider stuff?

33 posted on 03/09/2008 10:26:24 AM PDT by GOPJ (A baby can't say Chinese additives makes the formula taste “funny" ... or poisonous,)
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