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Obama: "You Won't See Me as a VP Candidate"
ABC News ^ | March 07, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 03/08/2008 9:41:20 AM PST by jdm

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To: Common Tator

Good analysis.


51 posted on 03/08/2008 10:20:35 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Blue Turtle

Wrong.

In the end, they will all kiss and make up. They always do.


52 posted on 03/08/2008 10:21:48 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: fightinJAG

actually a Hillary Obama ticket would be very difficult as it would keep his organization from fleeing if he didn’t win ....not to mention being able to raise 55$ in a month...plus his orgainisation. Both I think will hope the other looses and they can take another shot in 2012. If Hillary looses she won’t help as she could really only run 4 years from now....he can run 4 yrs. or 8 yrs.


53 posted on 03/08/2008 10:22:33 AM PST by OnRiver
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To: jdm
The bumper sticker would need to be:

Hill-Bill-Bama-Rama-Shama-Lama-Ding-Dong.

Once again, you read it first on a NewLand post! :)

54 posted on 03/08/2008 10:23:31 AM PST by NewLand (Only one poll counts...our votes!)
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To: Ramius

I think a combined ticket would, paradoxically, be weaker but more likely to win.

Weaker because it would magnify the candidates’ weaknesses, which are substantial.

But more likely to win because each candidate can produce a turnout in their respective demographics-—especially Obama-—that would be hard for any Republican candidate to overcome.


55 posted on 03/08/2008 10:24:24 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: pandoraou812

Pandora, I think Michelle will surprise us—the depth of her unlikeability has been barely breeched.


56 posted on 03/08/2008 10:25:42 AM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: exit82
...he will gladly take the VP slot when he finds the horse’s head under the sheets.


57 posted on 03/08/2008 10:26:51 AM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: ml/nj

[You know, I think he’s catching her disease.]

You know, I think yer right!


58 posted on 03/08/2008 10:28:15 AM PST by oldteen
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To: Inspectorette; jdm

“Newt said on Hannity & Colmes last night that there’s no way there will be an Obama/Clinton ticket. He said psychologically it just doesn’t work.”

Correct, but he left open the Clinton/Obama possibility.

It’s still out there. In fact, Clinton almost has to pick Obama to reach out. Obama doesnt though.

Why didn’t Ford pick Reagan as his VP guy in 1976?


59 posted on 03/08/2008 10:30:41 AM PST by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: fightinJAG

But what about the high negatives BOTH have? The stats I’ve seen (and I do realize stats are notoriously unreliable)give HRC negatives of 47% nationwide-that’s people who say they WILL NOT vote for he, no matter what. BHO’s negs are 38%. Won’t combining both into one package (whether HRC + BHO, or BHO+ HRC) just exacerbate this? Wouldn’t either one have a better shot of taking the presidency if either candidate chooses an uncontroversial, barely known nationally white male governor, or somesuch? As for the feelings of “betrayal” the followers of whoever is passed over, the DNC counts on those people to ‘rally’ behind whoever’s on the ballot come November-I think the chances of that happening is at LEAST as likely as angry conservatives voting for John McCain, especially if either BHO or HRC is the nominee.


60 posted on 03/08/2008 10:30:44 AM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: jdm

I am so sick of this Marxist, racist schmuck.


61 posted on 03/08/2008 10:31:16 AM PST by montag813
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To: Verloona Ti
DNC counts on those people to ‘rally’ behind whoever’s on the ballot come November-I think the chances of that happening is at LEAST as likely as angry conservatives voting for John McCain, especially if either BHO or HRC is the nominee.

Republicans are more likely to vote against Clinton and/or Obama than Democrats are to vote against McCain, or at least stay home. Many see McCain as a moderate.

62 posted on 03/08/2008 10:35:10 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: WOSG
“Obama has a 75% chance of winning right now.
By closing off the VP line of thinking, he is closing off one of the ‘compromises’ the Clintons would like to have - double-team with her on top. He wants to be top dog and he wont give her the breathing room to push this idea.”

That is why Republicans should do everything they can to assure that Hillary is the RAT nominee.

Even if Osama would take the VP slot it will drive his voters nuts and they would have riots everywhere.

All it would take is a couple “Driving Miss Daisy” cartoons or some with Osama in the back of the bus to set them off.

A Hillary nomination now would be a huge gift in Nov.

63 posted on 03/08/2008 10:37:10 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Verloona Ti

That’s what I meant by saying the candidates’ weaknesses would be magnified by having them both on the ticket. You’re absolutely right-—their combined negatives would be horrific.

However, the question is whether that would translate to a meaningful increase in the number of people not voting for the ticket.

IOW, would there be enough of an increase in the number of voters who wouldn’t vote for the ticket to make a difference?

Or would about the same number of people who wouldn’t vote for one or the other before just *really, really, really* not want to vote for the ticket now?

I don’t know the answer to that, but my sense is that the combination would deepen the loathing in many people, but be the “last straw” against the ticket for a much smaller number of people.

(Remember, Obama and the Beast are both acceptable to their base on their policies. They only part ways on likeability issues.)

OTOH, regardless of which spot he has on the ticket, say Obama is able to increase turn-out in the black community by a large percentage, this in itself may compensate for the fewer voters who won’t hold their nose to vote for Hildy even if they like Obama.

Hildy may have a similar effect on turn-out of senior women. There may be many more of them willing to vote for her regardless of her spot on the ticket, compared to the number of voters who won’t hold their nose to vote for her because they don’t like Obama.

So while their negatives may cause a chunk of voters in the middle to drop out, each candidate possibly could increase turn-out in their own bases to compensate for the middle-voter drop-outs.

Just my thoughts.


64 posted on 03/08/2008 10:38:53 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: jdm

O really, Hussein?

Meet the press interview from 2006:

MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?

SEN. OBAMA: I will not.

You already broke one half of your pledge...might as well go the whole 9 yards if Hillary decides to save you a seat in the back of the clinton bus.


65 posted on 03/08/2008 10:38:56 AM PST by Tears of a Clown
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To: jdm

The mere fact that Obama has become a Senator and candidate for President — is an undeniable indicator of the decline in intellect of the American voters....

Our forefathers could never have predicted the electorate would become such easily manipulated or deceived dunces.....

But, perhaps they DID envision all the fainting women!


66 posted on 03/08/2008 10:39:43 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Beagle8U

No way.

If Obama went on the ticket, he would support it. He would use his considerable charm to charm his supporters. Eventually, they would accept that if he had made peace with the Beast “for the good of the country” and so on, they could too.

It would be very easy. Obama’s supporters will follow his lead. If he says it’s a good thing for him to serve as VP, they will accept that and support him, thus propelling the Beast into the White House.


67 posted on 03/08/2008 10:41:19 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Tears of a Clown

Good catch.

Hildy made her own pledges, IIRC.

So did Bubba about running for prez when he was Guvner of Arkansas.

Fool me once . . .


68 posted on 03/08/2008 10:42:21 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: LWalk18

I agree. I think he does have a chance at pulling in a fair number of moderate dems, Reagan dems, Hispanics, and...well...people who just cannot bring themselves to vote for either a woman, or a black man , for the office of the president. (Hey, whatever it takes to keep either of those two very dangerous people out of the oval office.)


69 posted on 03/08/2008 10:42:30 AM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: fightinJAG

Well...This is the “year of firsts”. Usually it would be ridiculous to even suggest that a candidate perceived as liberal would NOT want to ‘balance’ the ticket with a moderate, preferably from a different geographic area.So it’s entirely possible the DNC will sail into uncharted water with a both a presidential nominee AND a VP perceived as liberal/leftwing.Will BHO and HRC both be willing to play along, or would both calculate it would be better if McCain wins this year so they’d have another shot 4 years down the road at the top spot (as some have suggested.) What would be great-ie, no way in hell will it happen-is if the DNC insanely tries to go for a “compromise” candidate-ie, another white man, even the Sainted Al Gore. Now THAT would make 1968 look like the teddy bear’s picnic!


70 posted on 03/08/2008 10:47:35 AM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: Verloona Ti
Wouldn’t either one have a better shot of taking the presidency if either candidate chooses an uncontroversial, barely known nationally white male governor, or somesuch?

Good post. Rush mentioned last week that this election will be about white men...certainly not Mrs. Clinton's or BHO's base.
71 posted on 03/08/2008 10:49:30 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: fightinJAG

I guess we’ll have to disagree on that. He has a bunch of mindless voters that want him as President only because he’s black.

The Leftwing moonbats hate Hillary and would go nuts with him in the back of the bus.

They are smart enough to know that if Hillary were elected she would destroy any chance of Osama ever being POTUS.

One of those Communists will be the nominee and Republicans are in better shape if its the beast.


72 posted on 03/08/2008 10:55:04 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: jdm

It is the height of arrogance and presumption for Hillary to allow that she would be willing to “consider” Obama as her VP, when she is running behind in the delegates and popular vote.

If Obama maintains his lead going into the convention, there is no way he will yield to Her Majesty without a bitter fight that would massively alienate blacks, who would rightly see it as the “man” once again putting them in their place. The powers that be are well aware of this.

Likewise, there is little chance Obama will consider Hillary as VP under all but the most dire of circumstances. Letting her & Bill back into the White House would be suicidal. He’d be looking over his shoulder the whole time knowing that they, for their part, would do their very best to elevate the office of Vice President over that of President.

One thing is virtually certain: Hillary & Bill will not hesitate to cause a no-holds-barred, knock down drag out fight at the convention in order to prevail. There are powerful forces arraigned on either side of this battle, and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out.


73 posted on 03/08/2008 11:02:57 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: PGalt

Great news. Hope we don’t see you in any position in government.


74 posted on 03/08/2008 11:04:10 AM PST by mulligan
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To: Cobra64; USS Alaska

Thanks for the pics.

A horse’s head is a strong message.

Next time, you’re sleeping wit the fishes.


75 posted on 03/08/2008 11:06:03 AM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: jdm

Only if he can carry on the Global Warming torch from Al Gore would he even remotely be VP material. He got to go for the big Lewinsky.


76 posted on 03/08/2008 11:12:18 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: RipSawyer
He will certainly not have her as his VP candidate. That would be a death sentence.

I believe that and almost every white person to whom I have broached the subject seems to believe the same. What does it say about this country when we have a woman who is seen this way running for President?

Well, for one thing it says that some people believe that the Clintons are connected to some very bad people who can make bad things happen to Clinton opponents.

Barack Obama's life isn't in danger from some white racist who wants to kill him from being America's first black President, his life is in danger from the Clinton machine.

The lone nut case or small group you can defend against. A well connected and well financed crimminal mafia is much harder to defend against. Witnesses end up dead, and investigators get paid off or end up dead themselves.

77 posted on 03/08/2008 11:33:20 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: mulligan; All
Great news. Hope we don’t see you in any position in government.

Not a possibility, but I'm sure I could be 100% better than those 2 socialists.

The great news is the fact that I like Barack taking it to Hillary psychologically in the war of words.

Good thread. Thanks for participating.

78 posted on 03/08/2008 12:24:40 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Verloona Ti

“Now THAT would make 1968 look like the teddy bear’s picnic!”

You’re REALLY going to enjoy this interlude/classic. Thanks to Hugh Fitzgerald at jihadwatch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZANKFxrcKU

Enjoy.


79 posted on 03/08/2008 12:28:20 PM PST by PGalt
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To: jdm
I remember how the mediawhores mercilessly attacked W for his speech patterns or what you call BUSHISM, yet these two clowns are never held accountable for the “YOU KNOW” word. For them being the SMARTEST folk in the earth they are nothing but street corner grammar hoodlums.
80 posted on 03/08/2008 12:33:47 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: jdm
Come on Obama; Bill Clinton says: Hillary-Obama Ticket Would Be "Almost Unstoppable Force"

Yep Obama, the black man reduced to "Driving Miss Daisy/Hillary". According to the Clintons, he would be right where they want him:

At the back of the bus... Opps, I mean ticket, you get my drift.

Boy the Clintons are nefarious. Should Hidabeast steal the presidential nomination via the Super Race/super delegates (which she has every intention of doing by hook or by crook) and Osama, Obama is relegated to the back of the bus driving Miss Daisy/Hillary, "There Will Be Blood" come the democRAT convention in Denver. There had better be plenty of riot police on sight because that is exactly what the democRATS will have on their hands; race riots that are going to make Chicago 68 look like a picnic. The so-called "African Americans" are going to raise holy blazes once they see the truth that the democRATS ARE THE RACISTS and Osama, Obama, is thrown under the bus.

81 posted on 03/08/2008 12:55:58 PM PST by Jmouse007
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To: jdm

It is Hillary’s turn. There is a much better case for her as Prez, and he would be a shoe-in (sic?) in 8 years. PLUS, he’d look older than 12 by then.


82 posted on 03/08/2008 1:31:11 PM PST by PghBaldy (Go Hillary! Vote Hillary! Don't give up!)
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To: Beagle8U

Yes, it could go either way, but I still think it’s likely if the Beast gets the nom, she puts Obama on the ticket.

Remember: they hate Republicans MORE!


83 posted on 03/08/2008 2:50:41 PM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: jdm

Yes, there’s a clear escape clause here...BHO could easily be “drafted” for VP. But for that to happen, he’d have to lose the nomination first, which will involve overturning the primary/caucus results.

By the time of the Penn. vote, there may be so many attacks on tape that having both candidates on the same ticket will be impossible.


84 posted on 03/08/2008 8:56:36 PM PST by Aln in Eastern WA (McCain-Romney 08)
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