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Gore-Obama 08 the GOP Nightmare Scenario
Patterico's Pontifications ^ | March 07, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 03/08/2008 10:32:06 AM PST by jdm

This is the nightmare scenario that wakes me up at night.  And its so easy to see it develop.

Hillary wins big in Penn and PR, while Obama continues to sweep up some smaller states.  Neither is close to the majority number, but Hillary refuses to give in.

More and more polling begins to suggest — as Pew does today — that Obama will lose a significant number of blue collar “Archie Bunker” democrats that are currently supporting Hillary, but will vote for McCain before Obama.  This will give McCain states like Ohio, Michigan, and Penn. 

Superdelegate/party leaders will know that they cannot alienate African-American voters by stealing the nomination away from Obama that he seems to have won, so voting for Hillary when she is behind in vote total and elected delegates is not an option.

Above and beyond that, they really just don’t want a rerun of the Billary Show in the WH.

Obama cannot put together an electoral map in November that produces a winning number.

Solution — go to Obama and ask him to take the No. 2 slot with Al Gore as the nominee.  Obama then releases his delegates to vote for Gore after the Superdelegates place his name in nomination. 

Gore then wins the nomination on the first ballot, and the Billary vampire is slain. 

The African-American voter is satisfied because Obama is satisfied to be No. 2 behind Gore while he waits his turn.

Gore holds on to the “Archie Bunker” democrats that are backing Hillary right now.

Gore rolls to a 52-48 win over McCain with 350 electoral votes, winning states like Virginia, Ohio, Missouri, NewHampshire, and maybe even Florida, while holding on to everything he and Kerry won before.


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1 posted on 03/08/2008 10:32:10 AM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

Was this article written in an attempt to win the “Most Unlikely Scnario” contest?


2 posted on 03/08/2008 10:36:02 AM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: jdm

With surly Juan McCain as our candidate every scenario is a “nightmare” scenario.


3 posted on 03/08/2008 10:36:40 AM PST by LiberConservative
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To: jdm

Gore?!?
No delegate in the world is going to vote for that dog with fleas.

Far more likely would be a hillary/obama ticket in any order.


4 posted on 03/08/2008 10:36:52 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: jdm

So why not just have Gore be Obama’s running mate.

Look, no matter what McCain wins. And he will be perfectly fine.


5 posted on 03/08/2008 10:37:13 AM PST by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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To: jdm

Gore would not win Virginia. Gore is not nearly as liked by the general populace as he was in 2000 when he was the sitting Vice President.

And with major defections by previously gung-ho global warming scientists, his signature issue is looking crazier every day.


6 posted on 03/08/2008 10:37:18 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: jdm

Interesting. Sadly, I can see Gore taking a big role in an Obama Administration.

We can thank the gods that, I believe, the law prohibits him from taking VP again.


7 posted on 03/08/2008 10:37:35 AM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: jdm

Interesting scenario. Do you think that Gore would win those Archie Bunker types that Obama can’t win? I think Gore’s popularity right now is limited to uber-Dems and that’s about it.

But I could be wrong.


8 posted on 03/08/2008 10:37:58 AM PST by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: jdm

Just from a historical perspective...has there even been a candidate nominated to run for President who wasn’t running during the primaries?

This author has an overactive imagination, IMHO.


9 posted on 03/08/2008 10:38:18 AM PST by dawn53
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To: jdm
The GOP is already a nightmare with McCain as the nominee.
It really doesn't matter who he runs against. McCain is his own worst enemy.
10 posted on 03/08/2008 10:39:27 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: jdm
Nah, I'm still betting on Clinton/Obama.


11 posted on 03/08/2008 10:39:28 AM PST by umgud
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To: jdm

There is as much chance the Clinton’s are going to voluntarily let Gore run for president in place of Hillary, as I am going to fly to the moon tonight.


12 posted on 03/08/2008 10:39:57 AM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: perez24
I think Gore's popularity is greater now than in 2000. Look how many people got conned/energized by The Inconvenient Truth and that was only 2-3 years ago.
13 posted on 03/08/2008 10:40:10 AM PST by jdm (Contrary to popular belief, the search function works just fine.)
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To: dawn53

There’s a first time for everything.


14 posted on 03/08/2008 10:40:53 AM PST by jdm (Contrary to popular belief, the search function works just fine.)
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To: bill1952

This scenario is the most ridiculous idea I’ve ever seen...Gore isn’t interested nor wants to jump back into another political episode. Obama has strongly hinted that he will serve as no one’s VP...so I’m hoping we get back to reality here.


15 posted on 03/08/2008 10:41:51 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: jdm

Puerto Ricans aren’t like Southwestern Hispanics. They will be way more open-minded about Obama and he’ll do fine there. He may not win, but he’ll get a lot of delegates. PA could be more of a blowout.


16 posted on 03/08/2008 10:43:17 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: jdm

Mr. Gore wasn’t unbeatable in 2000, I don’t see where he suddenly is 8 years after.

Certainly, he could win if he were nominated, but he hasn’t shown any inclination to run this year. Last time he lost, he went straight to pot afterwards gaining a lot of weight and not shaving for a quite a few number of months. I just can’t see Gore running and risking a defeat, particularly as he recovered and has a sweet gig as the global warming guru and the fact that it looked like losing almost killed him when he was a younger man.


17 posted on 03/08/2008 10:43:20 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: jdm
“Archie Bunker” democrats

I doubt Archie Bunker will vote for Mr. Global Warming after this winter. Gore has been hiding since the snow started months ago. Meanwhile, Archie's back is sore from hours and hours of shoveling snow, dealing with broken snowblowers, and car damage from potholes.

However, Gore may come out of his cave in July, during a heat wave, to start his campaign...

18 posted on 03/08/2008 10:43:21 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: jdm

John McCain may just be the first presidential candidate in the history of America, whose candidacy very well may hinge on his wisdom and inspiration, choosing a running mate.

This poster, would suggest (in order):

1) Duncan Hunter
2) Condoleezza Rice
3) Mitt Romney

Any of those three, would create a powerful, winning ticket.


19 posted on 03/08/2008 10:43:43 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: jdm

This is nonsense. In 2000 McCain was hoping to tear Gore to shreds with all the lies that Gore had told. Now McCain would really rip him to shreds. We can only hope the Gore is somehow “appointed” the nominee!!


20 posted on 03/08/2008 10:44:04 AM PST by tiger
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To: dawn53

Just from a historical perspective...has there even been a candidate nominated to run for President who wasn’t running during the primaries?
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Plenty, although the most recent was Humphrey in 1968


21 posted on 03/08/2008 10:45:21 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: jdm
Pat, Pat, Pat...if Obama isn't going to be back-of-the-bus to Hillary, what makes you think he's going to be back-of-the-bus to some fat bastard who didn't even run?
22 posted on 03/08/2008 10:45:38 AM PST by RichInOC (...William Frank Buckley, Jr., November 24, 1925-February 27, 2008, R.I.P.)
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To: jdm
Al Gore has one campaign plank, that of global warming, err, I mean global climate change. And as any Freeper will tell you, so does John McCain.

Obama worshipers will view it as betrayal and walk, the hard core liberals will once again (just like in 2000) beat Gore upside the head for his Oxy connections, and it would be a disaster for the party.

An open ballot at the convention will not happen.

23 posted on 03/08/2008 10:46:18 AM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: jdm
At which point the McCain camp dusts off the speech Gore made in Saudi Arabia in 2004. in front of a Arab audience of Oil Sheiks, claiming Muslims were tortured in the US after 09-11 and starts making campaigns ads showing Gore's speech.

Suddenly all those Archie Bunker voters in all those blue states turn into rabid McCain Democrats.

Gore in 2000 wore the “New Democrat” mask. Since then that moderate mask has been stripped away to reveal, for the 1st time, Gores truth face. Gore shares the samet seething ugly rabid Anti Americanism that is the common character trait all the current leadership of the Democrat Party carefully try to hide from the Archie Bunker voters

24 posted on 03/08/2008 10:46:36 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm
It seems to me the Dems are full of wishful thinking. Obama should get the nomination barring it being stolen from him. He then picks a young white guy for his VP and loses handily to McCain.

The Dems are just starting to get buyers remorse. They thought they were cool with the only black and only woman candidate. The problem is that the black guy is actually winning. They thought Hillary would be their gal and Obama could give a nice speech at the convention. Now they want to give him, the winner, the VP slot.

Once again the Dems show their true colors, or lack of them. The fact is Obama is winning and will probably win it all. He will also lose to McCain.

25 posted on 03/08/2008 10:47:19 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: jdm

...and Pat, my impression was that “nightmare” meant “scary”. Gore-Obama ‘08 is more of a “wow, what a silly dream, no more spicy food before bedtime” scenario.


26 posted on 03/08/2008 10:49:47 AM PST by RichInOC (...William Frank Buckley, Jr., November 24, 1925-February 27, 2008, R.I.P.)
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To: jdm

I think the way the Dems will handle getting Hillary off the ticket is to make Obama promise to give her the first Supreme Court seat that comes up.


27 posted on 03/08/2008 10:51:38 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: dawn53
I believe Hubert Humphrey in 1968 was the Democrat nominee, as he was picked at the temultuous convention in Chicago that year. He ran in no primaries anywhere in the nation.

If memory serves. I was in junior high then, and the details of all of that meant nothing to me at the time.

28 posted on 03/08/2008 10:52:00 AM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: I_Like_Spam; dawn53
Should point out in 1968 Humphery won because the Democrat's winning candidate Robert Kennedy had been assassinated during the campaign.
29 posted on 03/08/2008 10:52:03 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Rice's absurd statements regarding Bosnia, along with several other gaffes should disqualify her. They have revealed her to be seriously lacking.
30 posted on 03/08/2008 10:57:00 AM PST by Dante3
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OBama would take the nomination and lose rather than do that. He would also rather Hillary get the nomination, her lose in Nov then run again in 2012 than do that.

Dumbest theory ever.


31 posted on 03/08/2008 11:04:11 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: GraniteStateConservative
...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.

Amen! He was probably getting campaign "contributions" from Osama.

32 posted on 03/08/2008 11:04:32 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Is Obama the AntiChrist? Otherwise, why are so many so mesmerized?)
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To: MNJohnnie

68 was sort of a special circumstance, with President Johnson pulling out of the race late, as well as the assassination of one of the leading contenders.

But it also happened in 1940, Wilkie was nominated without campaigning in the primaries, and I don’t believe that FDR competed that year and didn’t declare until quite late.


33 posted on 03/08/2008 11:05:43 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: jdm

It is the height of arrogance and presumption for Hillary to allow that she would be willing to “consider” Obama as her VP, when she is running behind in the delegates and popular vote.

If Obama maintains his lead going into the convention, there is no way he will yield to Her Majesty without a bitter fight that would massively alienate blacks, who would rightly see it as the “man” once again putting them in their place. The powers that be are well aware of this.

Likewise, there is little chance Obama will consider Hillary as VP under all but the most dire of circumstances. Letting her & Bill back into the White House would be suicidal. He’d be looking over his shoulder the whole time knowing that they, for their part, would do their very best to elevate the office of Vice President over that of President.

One thing is virtually certain: Hillary & Bill will not hesitate to cause a no-holds-barred, knock down drag out fight at the convention in order to prevail. There are powerful forces arraigned on either side of this battle, and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out.


34 posted on 03/08/2008 11:06:01 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: jdm

McCain will be a great candidate who is nasty enough to beat the hell out of Gore.

No dem will be able to overcome McCain’s pow experience and his various differences with so called conservatives will only help him get the archie bunker votes.

Gore’s nutty global warming ideas will be under the microscope for the first time and the outcome will be him looking inept, naive and lost.

John


35 posted on 03/08/2008 11:06:45 AM PST by Diggity
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To: jdm

I predicted the racist democrat party would NEVER allow a black man to be president.

It would upset the imbalance of power.

Blacks are NOT going to allow Hillary through “super delegates” or Al Gore to step in front of Obama without burning the DNC to the ground.

That fact is why I recently purchased a commercial popcorn popper.

There is a chance that blacks in America will awaken to their enslavers, revolt and reaffiliate with conservatives who have been there for them throughout their manufactured “struggle”.


36 posted on 03/08/2008 11:07:31 AM PST by Eddie01 (Freepers don't let Freepers get spun)
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To: tjd1454

Obama will not let Hillary on his ticket.

Billary is dead.

John


37 posted on 03/08/2008 11:08:24 AM PST by Diggity
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To: Dante3

Rice isn’t the President.

As Secretary of State, she speaks for Bush.

That’s her job. She’s pretty darn good at it.


38 posted on 03/08/2008 11:09:27 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: jdm
Relax.

(1) Hillary is not about to step aside and let Al Gore have the nomination. And the Democrats know it. The lawsuits alone would keep them all tied up for the rest of their lives. And don't forget all their FBI files!

(2) Why would Obama step aside for Gore any more than for Hillary? He wouldn't. And Black America wouldn't consider it any less a back-room sellout than if he were forced to step aside for Hillary.

(3) Make no mistake--millions of Democrats LOVE the Clintons and would LOVE to see them re-ensconced in the White House, with Bill doing his (charming, to them) usual number and Hillary doing (charmingly, to them) hers. They have no desire to see Bill and Hill disappear from the political scene. Au contraire, to them Bill was one of America's greatest Presidents and Hillary is a strong woman destined to be another.

(4) Nominating Obama for Vice President is not going to please a bunch of Archie Bunkers much more than nominating him for President.

(5) And anything or anybody that has to look to Al Gore for salvation is already lost. They'd do better to nominate Connie Chung.

Now get some sleep.

39 posted on 03/08/2008 11:09:49 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: willgolfforfood

Yeah, 1968 Chicago...wasn’t that the convention that resulted in massive rioting.


40 posted on 03/08/2008 11:10:52 AM PST by dawn53
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To: jdm

It’ll never fly. I just don’t see Obama being willing to sit in the car while Al goes inside to eat.


41 posted on 03/08/2008 11:12:09 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH08 - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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Won’t happen:

Barrack and Omarosa Obama will never accept second place.


42 posted on 03/08/2008 11:13:11 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Uncle Hal

Also...

Gore can’t run without having to debate his global warming thesis which is total crap and his income.

Step off the gravy train into a guaranteed train wreck. Unlikely.


43 posted on 03/08/2008 11:13:19 AM PST by Eddie01 (Freepers don't let Freepers get spun)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Condi Rice would sink that ticket like a grand piano on an inflatable kayak.


44 posted on 03/08/2008 11:14:32 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jdm

....and monkeys will fly out of my butt.


45 posted on 03/08/2008 11:15:20 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

She rocks. :)


46 posted on 03/08/2008 11:15:59 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: umgud

Looks like a democrat party to me.


47 posted on 03/08/2008 11:16:22 AM PST by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: jdm

In such a case, McCain won’t need to worry about motivating conservatives....


48 posted on 03/08/2008 11:26:37 AM PST by PGR88
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To: The_Republican
...go to Obama and ask him to take the No. 2 slot with Al Gore as the nominee. Obama then releases his delegates to vote for Gore after the Superdelegates place his name in nomination. Gore then wins the nomination on the first ballot, and the Billary vampire is slain. The African-American voter is satisfied because Obama is satisfied to be No. 2 behind Gore while he waits his turn.

I laughed hysterically after reading this.

Why Obama would give up to a global loser like Gore?

African-American voters satisfied after "bamboozled" Obama takes #2 spot?

Ha Ha Ha Ha.....

This is the #1 crap I read this year.

49 posted on 03/08/2008 11:30:03 AM PST by Anticommie
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To: I_Like_Spam

True but Primaries were only held in 13 states up to the chaos in 1968. Other then that it was all cacuses and state conventions. The whole reason the Primary process became so widely used around the nation was to “reform” the system. The people who pushed hardest for it were the Democrats. To now, after 40 years, suddenly depart from established procedure and over set aside the winner of the Primaires for a canidate chossen by the party bosses is not going to sit well.

The irony of this is striking. That the very people running the Democrat party now, who mostly the same people so engraged in 1968 by what the Party bosses did, are now facing the procespect of being the party bosses this time that do the same things that pissed them off in 1968.


50 posted on 03/08/2008 11:30:34 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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