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Angry Boeing Supporters Target McCain
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080308/D8V9AE100.html ^ | MATTHEW DALY

Posted on 03/08/2008 1:23:39 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure

WASHINGTON (AP) - Angry Boeing supporters are vowing revenge against Republican presidential candidate John McCain over Chicago-based Boeing's loss of a $35 billion Air Force tanker contract to the parent company of European plane maker Airbus.

There are other targets for their ire - the Air Force, the defense secretary and even the entire Bush administration.

But Boeing supporters in Congress are directing their wrath at McCain, the Arizona senator and nominee in waiting, for scuttling an earlier deal that would have let Boeing build the next generation of Air Force refueling tankers. Boeing now will miss out on a deal that it says would have supported 44,000 new and existing jobs at the company and suppliers in 40 states.

"I hope the voters of this state remember what John McCain has done to them and their jobs," said Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., whose state would have been home to the tanker program and gained about 9,000 jobs.

(AP) Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.,turns away after talking to reporters... Full Image "Having made sure that Iraq gets new schools, roads, bridges and dams that we deny America, now we are making sure that France gets the jobs that Americans used to have," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill. "We are sending the jobs overseas, all because John McCain demanded it."

The European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. and its U.S. partner, Los Angeles-based Northrop Grumman, won a competition with Boeing Feb. 29 to build the refueling planes in one of the biggest Pentagon contracts in decades. The unexpected decision has sparked outrage from union halls to the halls of Congress over the impact on U.S. jobs, prestige and national security. EADS and Northrop say about 60 percent of their tanker will be built in the U.S.

McCain said he is keeping an open mind on the contract, but in the past he has boasted about his role in blocking an earlier version of the tanker deal that gave the contract to Boeing. The deal was killed in 2004 after a former Boeing executive improperly recruited an Air Force official while she was still overseeing contracts involving prospective Boeing deals. The former Air Force official, Darleen Druyun, and a top Boeing executive both served time in prison, and the scandal led to the departure of Boeing's chief executive and several top Air Force officials.

McCain has run ads touting his role in fighting "pork" such as the tanker project and cited the deal in a recent GOP debate.

"I saved the taxpayers $6 billion in a bogus tanker deal," he said.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., echoing the thoughts of many congressional Democrats, sees McCain's role in a less positive light. She said the earlier tanker deal was "on course for Boeing" before McCain started railing against it.

"I mean, the thought was that it would be a domestic supplier for it," Pelosi told reporters. "Senator McCain intervened, and now we have a situation where the contract may be - this work may be outsourced."

Even Boeing's Republican supporters are critical of McCain.

"John McCain will be the nominee and I will support him, but if John McCain believes that Airbus or EADS is the company for our Air Force tanker program he's flat-out wrong - and I'll tell him that to his face," said Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Wash.

Rep. Todd Tiahrt, a Kansas Republican whose district includes a Boeing plant that could have gained hundreds of new jobs from the tanker program, said McCain's role in killing the earlier deal is likely to become an election issue. Both of the leading Democratic candidates for president, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, have criticized the Air Force decision.

"I think we absolutely will hear more about it," Tiahrt said. "We'll hear it mostly from the Democrats and they have every right to be concerned."

McCain called such criticism off base.

"In all due respect to the Washington delegation, they vigorously defended the process before - which turned out to be corrupt - which would have cost the taxpayers more than $6 billion and ended up with people in federal prison," he said. "I'm the one that fought against that ... for years and brought down a corrupt contract."

Keith Ashdown, with the watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense, said Boeing executives who broke the law were to blame for the demise of the tanker contract - not McCain.

"This was theirs from day one," he said. "This idea that any lawmaker is to blame is a joke."

Still, Todd Donovan, a political science professor at Western Washington University, said McCain's opposition to Boeing could hurt him with voters in Washington and other states affected by the tanker program. Boeing would have performed much of the work in Everett, Wash., and Wichita, Kan., and used Pratt & Whitney engines built in Connecticut. Significant work also was slated for Texas.

"If he can be painted as somehow being associated with job losses ... it could hurt him on the margins," Donovan said.

McCain's role in the tanker deal did not bother Alabama politicians, including Republican Gov. Bob Riley, who endorsed McCain three days after the Air Force contract was announced. The EADS-Northrop tanker, based on the Airbus A330, will be built in Mobile, Ala., where it will produce 2,000 new jobs, and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 110th; airbus; defensespending; eads; fueltanker; mccaintreason; northrup; pelosi
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1 posted on 03/08/2008 1:23:40 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Here’s a previous thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1982398/posts


2 posted on 03/08/2008 1:27:06 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

If the USAF had announced the winner two months ago, would McCain have gotten the nomination?


3 posted on 03/08/2008 1:28:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

This is not good news for McCain, and little things add up.

Especially when they are real concrete actions rather than words or stances.


4 posted on 03/08/2008 1:29:48 PM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
Will he tell them "those jobs aren't coming back"?

McCain isn't exactly the smartest cookie in the jar. He's just slightly less dangerous than Hillary and quite a bit less than Obama "he-whose-middle-name-must-not-be-spoken".
5 posted on 03/08/2008 1:30:09 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

How did McCain do this?


6 posted on 03/08/2008 1:33:11 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

McMamiac has screwed his chances looks like. I’ll never vote for, I know.


7 posted on 03/08/2008 1:33:16 PM PST by Waco
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To: Paleo Conservative

No.


8 posted on 03/08/2008 1:36:21 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: F15Eagle; Weird Tolkienish Figure
Will he tell them "those jobs aren't coming back"?

I'm sure it will look like he did when the 527 organizations start running their ads.

9 posted on 03/08/2008 1:38:45 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
When It comes to National Security.The U.S. should Procure Items that are made in the U.S. Its not only a Common Sense issue.Its a National Security issue.

Te U.S. cannot afford to be beholding to any other nation for its National Security technologies.

10 posted on 03/08/2008 1:39:21 PM PST by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo; Just A Nobody

Oh you know he’s in the thick of it, hiding behind someone’s skirt, eh.


11 posted on 03/08/2008 1:40:34 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

I’m not supporting the guy but one senator has this much power? Don’t they still have to vote on stuff ?


12 posted on 03/08/2008 1:43:11 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
How could he do it?
13 posted on 03/08/2008 1:45:26 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Wow! Didn’t see that coming... /s

This klown has to be the most politically tone-deaf politician since....well since the rest of the current crop of presidential contenders. At a point where the “half an once of common sense” guy says something neutral or so generic as to be meaningless, McLame and his “Stupid-Talk Express” insists on putting his foot in it (right up to the knee).

So what does that say about the folks who’ll vote for him?


14 posted on 03/08/2008 1:47:30 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Boeing hosed the deal themselves.


15 posted on 03/08/2008 1:48:08 PM PST by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: kinoxi

I think we need an investigation. Who knew what?


16 posted on 03/08/2008 1:50:28 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: kinoxi
MCCAIN DEPLORES BOEING TANKER SCHEME
17 posted on 03/08/2008 1:50:33 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

Why should my wages be taxed just to subsidize some guy because he happens to work at Boeing?


18 posted on 03/08/2008 1:50:42 PM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: CindyDawg

Does McCain control federal spending on these projects?


19 posted on 03/08/2008 1:52:15 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
Being overlooked in this democrat sponsored "scandal" is this:

Boeing executive improperly recruited an Air Force official ...Darleen Druyun, and a top Boeing executive both served time in prison, and the scandal led to the departure of Boeing's chief executive and several top Air Force officials.

If the deal had gone through, Pelosi would charge that McCain ignored previous illegal activities with Boeing.

I am not a McCain fan but this charge is pure Pelosi at work.

20 posted on 03/08/2008 1:52:15 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: bill1952

The deal he scuttled involved a corrupt air force official (and some Boeing officials) who went to jail for her deeds....the issue was Boeing’s fault, not McCain’s!

He saved the tax payers 6 billion dollars in overruns that would have occured if the tanker deal went through back in 2004.

If anything, the Air Force is very careful of dealing with Boeing because of this past discretion!

Now, the EADS/Northrop deal will give 2000 jobs in Alabama and an additional 25000 spin off jobs through out America, vs 9000 jobs lost thru the lost Boeing deal! Who is making out better in the end...a red state/and other states in the US or just a couple of blue ones?


21 posted on 03/08/2008 1:53:33 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

I might not understand the issues, but it appears to me that Boeing assumed that it would get the contract because it would create jobs. In all deference to the Washington job scene, I pray and hope that the Air Force chose the best contract based on competition. Providing jobs shouldn’t be the prime driver for rewarding contracts.


22 posted on 03/08/2008 1:54:24 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Doe Eyes

You link to five year old article. What exactly does that have to do with today? I have never supported McCain.


23 posted on 03/08/2008 1:55:26 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: jimfree
Boeings delays for April delivery didn't help them.
24 posted on 03/08/2008 1:57:31 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: freema; Just A Nobody; jazusamo
You betcha, this has murtha and winter written all over it.
25 posted on 03/08/2008 1:57:38 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Michael.SF.

And to think Northrop Grumman is in Pelosi’s home state. If I were NG, I’d tell her that we are picking up and moving out of CA if congress takes this contract away from us. Not to mention the european fallout over it. How about they pull out of the F-35, cancel their C-130, apache, E2-C hawkeye, C-17, F-18 and F-16 orders as well. Why not any word from Lockheed on this.


26 posted on 03/08/2008 1:59:38 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: F15Eagle
He's just slightly less dangerous than Hillary and quite a bit less than Obama..

Head shaking......

How did we get to this point?

J....D....!

27 posted on 03/08/2008 1:59:46 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: kinoxi

I don’t know, It just seems like he couldn’t do something like this unilaterally.


28 posted on 03/08/2008 2:01:09 PM PST by CindyDawg
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Boeing is a bunch of goons. Their tanker was much less capable than the Northrup tanker.


29 posted on 03/08/2008 2:02:43 PM PST by webboy45
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To: mdmathis6
Interesting analysis.
30 posted on 03/08/2008 2:02:48 PM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: CindyDawg
He can't.
I find myself defending my second to last choice for POTUS. This really sucks...
31 posted on 03/08/2008 2:04:09 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

He has a superpower


32 posted on 03/08/2008 2:07:33 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: bill1952

He might as well get used to it. The dirt is just now starting. IMO the GOP has made a big mistake. He’s an insider and his enemies have had years to build a case. It takes time to prepare a smear. We needed a fresh candidate that they didn’t expect or know much about. Someone that could laugh and let this stuff roll right off.


33 posted on 03/08/2008 2:08:07 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
It was a competitive bid.

Boeing lost.

As another poster pointed out, N-G is going to create more jobs due to this contract than Boeing would have.

Note that every complainer in the article has a “D” after their name.

34 posted on 03/08/2008 2:08:42 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: kinoxi

I know. I’m not happy about having to defend him either. Darn Democrats.


35 posted on 03/08/2008 2:09:38 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: freema; smoothsailing; Just A Nobody

You bet, Ma. Smooth convinced me about Fat Jack the other day.


36 posted on 03/08/2008 2:10:42 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Oztrich Boy
He has a superpower

Which one?
37 posted on 03/08/2008 2:11:27 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
I think they should get over it and send McCain some money:


38 posted on 03/08/2008 2:12:46 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

And another thing: why the f*** did McCain steer a defense contract to a FOREIGN COMPANY???


39 posted on 03/08/2008 2:13:32 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: F15Eagle

I think Hillary has the best chance of pushing through her agenda. I don’t see how she’s less dangerous than Obama. I’m rooting for Obama on the Dem side. Plus I hate Hillary, she’s power hungry, she has a God-awful annoying voice.

Please don’t root for Hillary.


40 posted on 03/08/2008 2:13:44 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: Mark was here

Do you think it’s wise to entrust our national security to France? I don’t.


41 posted on 03/08/2008 2:13:44 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: kinoxi

The power to cloud the minds of men


42 posted on 03/08/2008 2:14:35 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

So I should pay even more in taxes knowing I’m supporting Boeing workers? Whats the deal, do they walk on water?


43 posted on 03/08/2008 2:17:33 PM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: 2111USMC
Note that every complainer in the article has a “D” after their name.

Not quite all

Rep. Todd Tiahrt, a Kansas Republican whose district includes a Boeing plant
Demanding pork from Uncle Sugar is bipartisan
44 posted on 03/08/2008 2:17:51 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: kinoxi

Have you noticed...the
mcCain people, are being very quiet for once lol.


45 posted on 03/08/2008 2:18:44 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

I think it’s OK that Americans are gonna be doing the work in America.

More new jobs are being created in the US because NG got the contract.


46 posted on 03/08/2008 2:18:50 PM PST by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions)
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To: Oztrich Boy

That’s a bit much. Stupid people believe stupid things. We do not live in a Democracy for that specific reason. So what is it (giggle, giggle) boxers or briefs?... /S


47 posted on 03/08/2008 2:19:11 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure
(AP) Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.,turns away after talking to reporters... Full Image "Having made sure that Iraq gets new schools, roads, bridges and dams that we deny America, now we are making sure that France gets the jobs that Americans used to have," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill. "We are sending the jobs overseas, all because John McCain demanded it."

Rep. Rahm Emanuel...hmmmmmm...where have we heard that name before now???? /s

48 posted on 03/08/2008 2:20:23 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: Weird Tolkienish Figure

That was my concern too. Someone , the other day posted some facts about this. It included jobs in America and the difference between the planes.


49 posted on 03/08/2008 2:20:52 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
And another thing: why the f*** did McCain steer a defense contract to a FOREIGN COMPANY???

Don't make him the scapegoat. It's a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

There are other targets for their ire - the Air Force, the defense secretary and even the entire Bush administration.

50 posted on 03/08/2008 2:21:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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