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Clinton's Hawkishness Ruffles Feathers in Obama Camp
The New York Sun ^ | March 4, 2008 | ELI LAKE Staff Reporter of the Sun

Posted on 03/08/2008 1:24:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Mr. Keane nevertheless said he holds the former first lady in high esteem.

"Senator Clinton is very knowledgeable about national security and is probably going to be strong on defense," he said. "I have no doubts whatsoever that if she were president in January '09 she would not act irresponsibly and issue orders to conduct an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, regardless of the consequences, and squander the gains that have been made." Mr. Keane added that he could not imagine any president in the White House making that kind of decision.

The senator's campaign differed with that assessment. "Senator Clinton speaks for herself on her plans to end the Iraq war," the campaign's communication director, Howard Wolfson, said Sunday. "She has said she will end the war the right way, swiftly and responsibly, and beginning within 60 days of taking office."

Indeed, Mrs. Clinton's Web site features her plan to "begin ending this war — not next year, not next month — but today." She has pledged to call together her military and national security team to draw up plans to "bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration."

Throughout 2007, Mrs. Clinton has sought to distance herself from her vote in 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq, a resolution that she says was intended to create leverage for negotiations with Iraq at the U.N. Security Council, but was widely considered by almost all other observers as a resolution authorizing the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; barackhusseinobama; chebama; cichillary; cultofobama; hillary; iraq; nobama; obama

1 posted on 03/08/2008 1:24:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: All
H/T to Flopping Aces:

retired Gen. Jack Keane: Clinton Won’t Withdraw From Iraq

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Ouch! With friends like this…who needs a Republican opponent?

Kean told the New York Sun this past weekend: “I have no doubts whatsoever that if she were president in January ‘09 she would not act irresponsibly and issue orders to conduct an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, regardless of the consequences, and squander the gains that have been made.”

He also said Clinton “generally supported the surge strategy in the sense she wanted it to succeed but she was skeptical about its chances.”

Now, how is Hillary Clinton supposed to win over the peaceful terrorists who bombed a recruiting station this week? How’s Code Pink gonna deal with that? How about ANSWER or party insiders like Gov Dean?

Let’s recap:

Interesting…

“It’s 3am…”

2 posted on 03/08/2008 1:27:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

hehehehe — We had the Chicago 7 in ‘68 and it looks like we’ll have the Denver Dozen in ‘08. Cause they ain’t doin what the SDS wants them too. — hehehehehe


3 posted on 03/08/2008 1:27:43 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; tobyhill; jdm

fyi


4 posted on 03/08/2008 1:28:32 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Hussein can you see...?”


5 posted on 03/08/2008 1:29:04 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is there anybody out there crazy enough to want this woman in charge of our national defense? I guess Bill’s Chinese berets will go along nicely with the new French style military... when in trouble call for help. What is the international 911 number anyway?


6 posted on 03/08/2008 1:36:22 PM PST by CarryingOn (Spread the message every day, like your life depended on it.)
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To: SandRat
That group has a website...thez getting redy!

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Copied from another thread.............

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More direct link ...lots of scrolling on the other link required:

Recreate 68!

And here is a link to the bad boys:

Welcome to the "Re-create 68" website,

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your virtual activists' Convergence Center for the Denver Democratic National Convention of 2008. This website was created for all the grassroots people who are tired of being sold out by the Democratic Party.


R-68 agrees with the proposition, POTESTAS IN POPULO, "all power comes from the people." What stands between the people and power are the party machines. The parties were devised as a means to represent the people. Today they represent nobody, not even party members, but only party bureaucracy. The people have been left without appropriate institutions for their representation. We intend to create those institutes!

7 posted on 03/08/2008 1:36:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Actually her vote for the war and her hawkishness is a good thing.


8 posted on 03/08/2008 1:37:31 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: SandRat

9 posted on 03/08/2008 1:38:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: JaneNC

I think so,...but those on the Left don’t see it that way....and she needs their votes in the primary....


10 posted on 03/08/2008 1:39:43 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: CarryingOn
What is the international 911 number anyway?

Hello,.. United States Marine Corps.

11 posted on 03/08/2008 1:43:11 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From the website: ...as we march to end all illegal imperialist occupations in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Puerto Rico, Haiti, Hawaii, North America, and others.

And just how do these idiots plan to end the "occupation" of North America?

12 posted on 03/08/2008 1:50:00 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The hippies’ second childhood is the worst thing to happen to the country since their first.


13 posted on 03/08/2008 1:53:11 PM PST by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The “R-68” Alliance is made up of activists locally known as the All Nations Alliance. The All Nations Alliance sponsored the Denver City Council resolution that made Denver the first major city in the country to take a stand in opposition to the Patriot Act and was also instrumental in exposing the Denver Spy Files and the J.T.T.F.’s and F.B.I.’s role in those files, in addition to organizing numerous anti-war, anti-racism, anti-imperialism rallies actions and protest including the G-8 protest in Denver!


14 posted on 03/08/2008 1:53:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Whose this Keane turd?


15 posted on 03/08/2008 1:54:00 PM PST by mimaw
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This requires the Suspension Of Disbelief


16 posted on 03/08/2008 1:55:22 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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17 posted on 03/08/2008 1:56:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: mimaw

He is a retired General...did some of the planning for the Surge I think....


18 posted on 03/08/2008 1:57:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
After the Clinton's are done with this Obama-Hillary entertainment show, they apparently intend to demonstrate that the Beast is really strong on National Defense and “middle of the road.”
19 posted on 03/08/2008 1:58:22 PM PST by Radix (There are two types of Tag Lines,: Short snappy ones, and the other kind that seem to go on and)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
He also said Clinton “generally supported the surge strategy in the sense she wanted it to succeed but she was skeptical about its chances.”

So she has suspended her Suspension of Disbelief
20 posted on 03/08/2008 1:58:56 PM PST by uncbob
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To: mimaw
From page 1 of the NYSun article:

Clinton's Hawkishness Ruffles Feathers in Obama Camp

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In a weekend interview, a retired four-star general, Jack Keane, said that when he briefed Mrs. Clinton in late 2006 and January 2007 on the counteroffensive strategy known as the surge, she "generally supported the surge strategy in the sense she wanted it to succeed but she was skeptical about its chances."

The Obama campaign yesterday seized on the general's comments after they appeared in an article on The New York Sun's Web site, with the chief spokesman, William Burton, issuing a statement saying: "Senator Clinton needs to explain to the American people what she said to the architect of George Bush's surge that made him think she wouldn't end the war."

Mr. Keane is in a position to know Mrs. Clinton, having worked informally with her since 2001, when he was vice chief of staff for the Army

21 posted on 03/08/2008 2:02:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: uncbob
Who knows...may change next month!
22 posted on 03/08/2008 2:03:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Me thinks Obama wouldn’t pull the troops out either

What he says and what he will do are two different things

He is already hedging his rhetoric

I am surprised the antiwar loonies haven’t started in on him about it


23 posted on 03/08/2008 2:04:08 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bump!


24 posted on 03/08/2008 2:23:19 PM PST by W04Man (DON'T BLAME ME, I was With Fred, then Mitt, and now McCain (our troops deserve a qualified CIC))
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To: rdl6989
Join us in the streets of Denver as we resist a two-party system that allows imperialism and racism to continue unrestrained.

Oh, please, please, please, do it!

Michelle Obama can lead you.

Show America how you really feel.

Actually, if Obama loses out on the democrat nomination or doesn't win the Presidency in November I fully expect to see blacks back wilding in the streets, burning and looting again.

Will 2008 be like Chicago, 1968?

Or like Detroit, 1967?

Or like Watts, 1965?


25 posted on 03/08/2008 2:23:49 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Iron Munro
Will 2008 be like Chicago, 1968?

Unfortunately Wm F Buckley Jr just died so he won't be around to threaten to punch Gore Vidall in his GD mouth on TV like he did during the 68 convention
26 posted on 03/08/2008 2:41:09 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“It’s 3am…”

Do you know where your husband is..........?

27 posted on 03/08/2008 2:43:47 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A President H.R. Clinton would never withdraw a single solider from Iraq. Obama would withdraw the troops and leave a disastrous vacuum in the region. That is why he is far more dangerous.


28 posted on 03/08/2008 2:53:02 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813
Yes, I am convinced that he is far to the left of Her....
29 posted on 03/08/2008 3:03:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Iron Munro

I believe more each day that Denver 2008 is going to be a lot like Chicago 1968.


30 posted on 03/08/2008 3:44:23 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We are close to getting into some deep do do, if the demorats take over. As you can ably surmise, what's the difference in starting troop withdraws immediately or waiting sixty days.
Maliki, assuming he actually is for a united Iraq not just controlled by the Shiite had better get his ass in high gear and start reasoning with all the various divides in their parliment to do some serious getting together.
Soon they shall have to give solid evidence Iraq will only get better from any stretch of the imagineation, e.g. no excuse for any L/MSM to make it look like they are not worth staying in country for another year plus, or the demos just may take over next January. And of course McCain must somehow prove to a majority of American voters he is the best choice to make sure we can leave the mid east at a best calculated time. There are to many real idiots who go to the voting polls that have not the slightest clue as to what it would take to withdraw all our forces, only to restart from scratch should the mid east go bonzai.
31 posted on 03/08/2008 4:02:00 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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To: USF; jan in Colorado; AmericanArchConservative

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1982603/replies?c=9

Do It in Denver?


32 posted on 03/08/2008 4:53:48 PM PST by Fred Nerks (a fair dinkum aussie)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
She will draw up plans within “60 days of taking office.”

Plans would be normal procedure in any case and imply no direction. She, or Obama - both forbid - would assume full executive control of the security land defense of this nation on 21 January 2009.

In truth, she is far better qualified than Obama to be commander-in-chief.

She would at least defend the nation whereas Obama and Michelle, in concert with Soros and MoveOn, would just muse of the “just deserts” of its destruction along with its 300 million citizens.

33 posted on 03/08/2008 7:31:57 PM PST by mtntop3
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Mr. Keane nevertheless said he holds the former first lady in high esteem.
"You know, even though she's a monster," Keane said.
"I have no doubts whatsoever that if she were president in January '09 she would not act irresponsibly and issue orders to conduct an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, regardless of the consequences, and squander the gains that have been made."
In the middle of answering the question, Keane turned to a companion and said, "Don't bogart that!"
The senator's campaign differed with that assessment. "Senator Clinton speaks for herself on her plans to end the Iraq war," the campaign's communication director, Howard Wolfson, said Sunday. "She has said she will end the war the right way, swiftly and responsibly, and beginning within 60 days of taking office." Indeed, Mrs. Clinton's Web site features her plan to "begin ending this war -- not next year, not next month -- but today." She has pledged to call together her military and national security team to draw up plans to "bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration."
Let's see... by the time the next President is sworn in, AQ in Iraq will be dead, the shootings, beheadings, and bombings will be a thing of the past, and US troops will have pulled down the mullahcracy in Iran. Authorization for that will be, what, opposed by Hillary? We already know it will be opposed by the Moslem Senator from Illinois.
Throughout 2007, Mrs. Clinton has sought to distance herself from her vote in 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq, a resolution that she says was intended to create leverage for negotiations with Iraq at the U.N. Security Council, but was widely considered by almost all other observers as a resolution authorizing the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
If it wasn't considered that, A) Hillary wouldn't have voted for it, as she supported it wholeheartedly, even mimicked President Bush's "if you're not for us, you're against us" (if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem), and B) it wouldn't have garnered broad bipartisan support (Kucinich voted against it). Thanks Ernest.
34 posted on 03/09/2008 9:51:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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