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Graphic, Profane and Vulgar Homosexual Porn Novel Given to Students at Posh Illinois High School
LifeSiteNews ^ | 3/7/08 | LifeSiteNews

Posted on 03/09/2008 10:15:21 AM PDT by wagglebee

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51 posted on 03/09/2008 11:42:04 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: wagglebee
The State's Attorney's office of Lake County, Illinois, deemed the books "obscene" according to Illinois obscenity laws, violating the "distributing harmful materials to minors" statute. However, state and federal obscenity laws exempt schools and libraries under "affirmative defense," giving the school and teachers involved near immunity.
Well isn't that special? Illegal for us to give to even our own kids (as if!) but ok for the school to make available to them without our knowledge? Arrgh!
52 posted on 03/09/2008 11:47:23 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: wagglebee
The State's Attorney's office of Lake County, Illinois, deemed the books "obscene" according to Illinois obscenity laws, violating the "distributing harmful materials to minors" statute. However, state and federal obscenity laws exempt schools and libraries under "affirmative defense," giving the school and teachers involved near immunity.

The ALA (American Library Ass.) demands the exemption to give any materials to anyone in the lie-brary that requests them regardless of age. So while an NC-17 movie or issue of Playboy may not be sold to a minor by a retailer, the lefty librarians want to be able to provide such materials to your kids. There is no arguing with them over whether this policy is "wrong", they insist that you prohibit your kids from going to the library if it means so much to you. Why is there a legal exemption for librarians?

53 posted on 03/09/2008 12:05:35 PM PDT by weegee (My comments do not reflect on McCain. I am voting AGAINST Hillary and Obama.)
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To: gondramB

No, we just don’t have to endorse clever stealth promotion of degeneracy. You apparently do not see homosexuality as degeneracy. So be it known.


54 posted on 03/09/2008 12:28:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: joshhiggins

***Just revise them to read mohammed instead of Jesus.Then see if it is still “literature”.***

Perfect comment! It would expose the Christian haters.


55 posted on 03/09/2008 12:33:41 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: Morgana

***somebody want to explain to me why these queers are always bashing the Virgin Mary??? And now they bash Mother Teresa?***

Fear! I believe they’re afraid of the truth.


56 posted on 03/09/2008 12:35:34 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat

Actually, it is an indication of the spirit that moves them ... Satan and his demons hate people like Mother Teresa and especially the Mother of Our Lord. As Jesus taught, it is what comes up out of the heart that defiles, and cursing The Mother of Our Lord defiles the person. Cursing the humble spirit of Mother Teresa defiles the man (see Christopher Hitchens).


57 posted on 03/09/2008 12:42:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Morgana

ping


58 posted on 03/09/2008 12:43:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: gondramB
Did this play also not opine upon the supposed innocence of the Rosenberg's? Or is that some other piece of revisionist (award winning)literature?
59 posted on 03/09/2008 12:44:55 PM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list.

This would be the time for the Christian teachers to take a stand.

60 posted on 03/09/2008 12:47:08 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MHGinTN

>>No, we just don’t have to endorse clever stealth promotion of degeneracy. You apparently do not see homosexuality as degeneracy. So be it known.<<

The bible makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin.

In the United States citizens are all supposed to have equal rights. That means no special rights for homosexuals but it also means you don’t arrest people for writing about homosexuality and when a historical figure like Cohn is gay but worked with McCarthy to deprive people of equal rights it makes it fair game for a play.

And if you don’t think the press will pick on the irony of prosecuting people for teaching a play that deals with McCarthyism and the slow response to AIDS when McCarthy’s man turned out to be gay and died of AIDS, you are either underestimating or overestimating the press.


61 posted on 03/09/2008 12:51:35 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: allmendream

>>Did this play also not opine upon the supposed innocence of the Rosenberg’s? Or is that some other piece of revisionist (award winning)literature?<<

I think Cohn was the guy who prosecuted the Rosenbergs. It could very well be it makes them sympathetic, which is, of course, wrong. But having a wrong political point of view is not something we censor a play for.

I apologize that I don’t remember the play’s position of the Rosenbergs, I had kind of glazed over at many parts of the play. It would not surprise me if took a pro-Rosenberg position in order to make Cohn look worse.

A less sensational look at Cohn is Citizen Cohn.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0103973/


62 posted on 03/09/2008 12:57:50 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: kittymyrib

That’s why I refuse to vote for the school levies.


63 posted on 03/09/2008 12:59:00 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: wagglebee
I don't think it is a novel. It's a very long play (or cycle of plays).

Yes, it isn't the sort of thing one would assign high school students -- not when there's so much else out there to read.

It's too propagandistic, a bit too much like a political tract.

64 posted on 03/09/2008 1:00:05 PM PDT by x
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To: wagglebee

Any Muslim students at the school?


65 posted on 03/09/2008 1:01:22 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: wagglebee

I encourage every one to e-mail the principal. It’s not like she can give us detention or any thing for expressing our opinions, just do it nicely with out name calling, swearing, etc..
To Express Concerns:

Deerfield High School
Principal
Sue Hebson
224-632-3011
shebson@dist113.org

1959 N. Waukegan Rd - Deerfield, IL 60015


66 posted on 03/09/2008 1:06:24 PM PDT by blueyon (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: wagglebee

“”Optional Title,” according to the principal, means that the student may select the books to study with peers and be guided by the adult, male teacher.”

Oh, it’s OK then. I feel better.


67 posted on 03/09/2008 1:06:32 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Maelstorm
You are absolutely right! There is no other “product” or behavior that a( poses as much danger to a life, or b) that society promotes being (a) is the case. Or c) that requires mental instability in order for it to be believed. So why do we allow government to do it? I am still amazed People actually vote these mentally dysfunctional people into office! It suicidal for our culture AND our country.

Framing this to children, as a safe and natural alternative lifestyle, is more dangerous to their wellbeing than teaching them to smoke, drink, and any other habit COMBINED. It is also, along with global warming, the biggest lie our children are being taught. They frame it around safe schools, as though a child feeling as though his or her family being reflected in curriculum, has anything to do with safety! I came from a very very large family. My family was not reflected in curriculum, but I didn't need it to feel “safe”.

We MUST start unabashedly emphasizing the serious medical risks, including but not limited to AIDS/HIV. Those are the risks this agenda is ultimately exposing our children to. It is NOT about safely.

68 posted on 03/09/2008 1:06:36 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: JoJo Gunn

John McCain could unfortunately care less about these sorts of things occuring across America. I’m so dissapointed we didn’t get a good conservative like Duncan Hunter. I am going to have to hold my nose and vote for him because the alternative is so much worse.


69 posted on 03/09/2008 1:07:30 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Mamzelle

>>Any Muslim students at the school?<<

Probably not since pretty much the entire cast is Jewish, Mormon or gay and the kids apparently all got parental permission.


70 posted on 03/09/2008 1:09:07 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: wintertime
Point out the serious medical issues that homosexuals will, not might, run into solely because of the behavior. AND that a condom MAY protect against AIDS. MAY not will, but one will not protect them against other natural consequences that will result. Be as graphic as you need to be, and do not allow them to re frame the issue.

These activist, at the care of the agenda, are the first ones to jump on the smoking nazi gravy train. Smoking may kill you, we know that. BUT Funny thing that, homosexual behavior is 100X more dangerous in so many ways, Will kill you, not may, and yet they teach it to kids.

71 posted on 03/09/2008 1:15:17 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: wintertime
Also, homosexuals walk hand and hand with the Marxists.

And Islamofaacist, though the former will be one of the first to lose their heads if the Moozies ever manage to gain control.

72 posted on 03/09/2008 1:44:47 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: wagglebee

Group protests Pulitzer-winning play
Deerfield Review - March 7, 2008

Deerfield High School is again under fire by a North Shore Christian group because the school offers the Pulitzer Prize-winning drama “Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on National Themes” to college-bound seniors.

North Shore Student Advocacy called for School District 113 Superintendent George Fornero, Deerfield High School Principal Sue Hobson and all involved teachers to resign or be fired by the School Board.

The group claimed a victory when, after its complaints, the school district made “Angels” an option rather than required reading in the Advanced Placement English literature course. Parents and students have to opt in to read this play as well as “The Plague.”

Last year, “Angels in America” author Tony Kushner talked to the class about the play, how he wrote it and produced it.

The story is about two couples whose relationships are disintegrating. It is set in the United States in the 1980s against a backdrop of greed, conservatism, sexual politics and the discovery of AIDS.

Lora Sue Hauser, executive director of the Christian group, complained that the book is replete with profanity, overt racism, an explicit description of a sex act involving Mother Theresa and vivid depictions of sodomy.

“After almost 15 years of school advocacy and reviewing many objectionable books and curricula, I have never seen anything this vulgar and harmful to students,” Hauser said.

She said her group also talked to the Lake County state’s attorney’s office and claimed that office concurred that the play violated the state’s obscenity statute prohibiting adults from “distributing harmful material to minors.”

State’s Attorney Michael Waller disputed that claim, saying the play did not violate any criminal statute.

The book and the class curriculum were approved by the Advanced Placement College Board, she added. The students who “opted in” for the class will not be reading it until April. The class is limited to seniors, and 51 signed up to take it, but not all have made their choice of one or both books.

Votsmier said the play also has been taught in Highland Park High School.

The school district and the Christian group clashed last year over a freshman orientation session where students talked about bullying and other issues and included gay students relating their experience in high school.

Matt Barber, director of cultural issues with Concerned Women for America, said his jaw dropped when he read the book.

“This isn’t a First Amendment issue. This is about school officials betraying the community trust. Heads need to roll here. Assigning this racist, pornographic smut to high school kids is nothing short of child abuse,” Barber said.

Votsmier said no one has been asked to resign, and there have been no voluntary resignations. She said the teacher of the course feels the students have the maturity and thoughtfulness to read this book and learn from it.

http://www.pioneerlocal.com/deerfield/news/831040,de-angels-030708-s1.article


73 posted on 03/09/2008 1:51:38 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: originalbuckeye
Half the people in this country don’t care how destructive the Gay Agenda is. Our half knows but doesn’t have the appropriate power (such as in the public school system) to do anything about it. Sad state of affairs.

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Our half DOES have the power. They just haven't figured it out yet. They are still in a coma. The solution is to pull the rug out from under the government schools.

Please read #29. In this post I outlined a plan.

74 posted on 03/09/2008 1:58:31 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
This kind of garbage has been going on for years and years, and it’s never on the GOP radar, which is why I’m leaving it.

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This story won't be on the radar of Rush, Sean, or OReilly either! What wimps!

75 posted on 03/09/2008 2:03:37 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wagglebee

An example of the same kind of public schools Judge Croskey has ordered all California homeschoolers to attend.


76 posted on 03/09/2008 2:05:18 PM PDT by farmer18th (The McCain Presidential Library Will Be Located in Tijuana)
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To: Maelstorm
The best thing you can do if your school district is putting this kind of stuff in front of your children. Call the police, don’t talk about the school or to the school, talk about an adult giving sexually explicit material to minors to the authorities and press charges.

This is a very good idea, particularly if your police chief or sheriff is more conservative than the school board.

77 posted on 03/09/2008 2:18:44 PM PDT by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: wagglebee

bump


78 posted on 03/09/2008 2:30:09 PM PDT by lowbridge ("I can't wait to see what he stands for." - Susan Sarandon on her support of Barack Obama)
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To: gondramB
That said, I didn’t like the play or the mini-series but it is clearly a real work of literature that should not be censored.

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Do you understand the conflict that all government schools have with freedom of conscience?

While I agree with you that the government should NOT be censoring anything, government schools present a special problem, and will forever be in conflict with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience!

For most children, government schools are NOT optional. If parents or their children refuse to cooperate with the government schools **armed** police, court, and foster care action **will** be taken against them. Children ( who have committed no crime) are imprisoned by the government in buildings that look like minimum security prisons and subjected to a non-stop government curriculum that can NEVER be religiously neutral!

For those parents who do have the option to homeschool or privately school, yes, they still can leave the government school, but they pay extra for the privilege. They are in essence **ransoming** their children, or paying a freedom of conscience, or religious exemption tax, for the privilege of freeing their children from the government school. It does seem after the California judge's ruling on homeschooling, that parents will soon lose that freedom!

OK,,,So,,,Let's examine this particular Advanced Placement course:

Unless the parents can ransom their child from this government school. The government WILL force their child into association with children who have read and will discuss this book among themselves. This is a violation of the First Amendment Rights to free assembly and freedom of government establishment of atheistic, grossly anti-Christian, anti-Mormon, pro-homosexual,pro-Secular Humanist religious worldview!

The government is using taxpayer money to promote in a government classroom an atheistic, grossly anti-Christian, anti-Mormon, pro-homosexual, atheistic, Secular Humanist religious worldview! ( Violation of the First Amendment establishment of religion)

Yes, the parent can opt in or out of this class, however the parent can NOT opt in or out of having their children associate with these students in other classes ( Violation of First Amendment Right to free assembly and establishment of religion)

If the parent chooses to opt out, the parent's child loses the opportunity to earn AP credit. This parent or child will then need to pay extra for this college credit when he attends college. The parent is PUNISHED financially by the government because of their moral and religious beliefs!

Government schools are a freedom of conscience and First Amendment abomination!

The book should not be censored, but the government schools ( all of them) should be utterly abolished!

79 posted on 03/09/2008 2:31:20 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Maelstorm

If you care about your children
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You should do everything possible to get your children OUT of government school. Live in a tent if you must!


80 posted on 03/09/2008 2:33:04 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wagglebee

Sounds like “A Catcher in the Rye”


81 posted on 03/09/2008 2:34:01 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: wintertime
You should do everything possible to get your children OUT of government school. Live in a tent if you must!

Rather than running for school board, being involved in PTA, or getting involved in politics that change the current status of public schools.....

Get real.

82 posted on 03/09/2008 2:35:48 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: wagglebee; All
Concerning the taxpayers trapped into unwilling paying for such things, Jefferson put it this way.
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson: Bill for Religious Freedom, 1779. Papers 2:545 http://www.religioustolerance.org/virg_bil.htm
Regarding the pro-homosexuality aspect of this book, Romans 1:25-27 tells us that same-sex sexual relationships are a consequence of idolatry. In other words, such relationships are a consequence of disobeying the 1ST COMMANDMENT, a major aspect of the GREATEST COMMANDMENT, to love the jealous God with all your being.

Homosexuals need to keep in mind, however, that the good news of the gospel is not about how God despises same-sex sexual relationships. In fact, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 indicates that certain members of that church had been slaves to such relationships but had been cleansed in Jesus' name. So these former homosexuals had evidently repented and accepted God's grace to straighten their lives out.

John 3:16
Revelation 3:20

83 posted on 03/09/2008 2:38:23 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: wagglebee

To hell with Homer or Dante, bring on the gay porn!!! /s


84 posted on 03/09/2008 2:42:01 PM PDT by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
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To: Porterville

Rather than running for school board, being involved in PTA, or getting involved in politics that change the current status of public schools.....

Get real.
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It is time to “get real”. Government schools can NOT be reformed. They have ALWAYS been in conflict with freedom of conscience and the First Amendment.

Also,,,the government schools are utterly and thoroughly infiltrated and controlled by Marxists and their Useful Idiots.

The only option left for any parent is to remove their child immediately! Join with other parents to work for the complete abolishment of government schooling.

It is possible. ( please read post #29 for a solution)


85 posted on 03/09/2008 2:43:41 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Porterville

“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.” —Thomas Jefferson: Bill for Religious Freedom, 1779. Papers 2:545 http://www.religioustolerance.org/virg_bil.htm

The above quote by Thomas Jefferson explains why running of the school board, getting involved with PTA enablers of evil, or getting involved with politics will NOT fix the fundamental conflict that all government schools have with freedom of conscience and the First Amendment!


86 posted on 03/09/2008 2:45:52 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Steely Tom
"these are people who are driven into a rage by the innocence of children."

That's what used to be called psychosis.

87 posted on 03/09/2008 2:59:58 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: wintertime

Okay, that is your only option. Get a tent, move to Alaska, and hunt moose.


88 posted on 03/09/2008 3:04:07 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: wintertime

http://www.heartland.org/article.cfm?artId=17931

This link is about Jefferson’s efforts in public education.

He believed in local schools and local control.


89 posted on 03/09/2008 3:07:08 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: wagglebee
"The student may select the book to study with peers and be guided by the adult, male teacher". WHAT?

Your teen age girl or boy is to study sexually stimulating porn with an adult male teacher guiding them along? Guiding them along to WHERE and WHAT.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the current crop of public school administrators and teachers who involve themselves into these types of too-close relationships and initiate "study groups" for sexual-content books with their young students are privately sexually-unstable themselves mixed in with having absolutely no morals or ethics of any kind.

If some male teacher started this kind of pornographic "study" in a "group" situation with a daughter of mine, I'd file charges against him as soon as I could get a lawyer.

What bothers me is that the article states the porn book came to light only because ONE parent objected. The liberal swells in Deerfield obviously don't care too much what their kids are reading and I bet that "one" stoolie parent has been drummed out of the village's Junior League Society already.

Leni

90 posted on 03/09/2008 3:08:20 PM PDT by MinuteGal (I Love My Country More Than I Hate McCain.)
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To: Porterville
Okay, that is your only option. Get a tent, move to Alaska, and hunt moose.

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Did you read post #29? I did NOT suggest moving to Alaska or hunting moose.

I outlined a bold plan that would SHUT DOWN every government school in the U.S.! No one would need to move anywhere.

My plan would rescue children by the millions, and completely **eliminate** the Marxist's most effective weapon against freedom. That weapon that the Marxists are using to destroy our nation is our government schools! These schools would be GONE!

The Neo-communists would love nothing better than for conservatives to try to play by the old rules ( PTA, school board meetings, political action, yada, yada, blah, blah! )..No! NO! What's needed here is a complete SHUT DOWN of the government schools. Put the neo-communists running the schools out on the unemployment line!

91 posted on 03/09/2008 3:18:47 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: purpleraine

My husband and I walked out of this play in Milwaukee, much to the consternation of the couple who were our hosts. It was disgusting.

We got a ticket for inattentive driving on the way home talking about it.

It wasn’t just the homosexual theme that was bad — it was also the whole trashing of J. Edgar Hoover and the Republican Party that went on in it, as I remember.


92 posted on 03/09/2008 3:19:21 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Porterville

If Jefferson could see the minimum security prisons that imprison our nation’s children he would be SHOCKED!

If our Founding Fathers could have seen the Marxist and homosexual dominated government schools indoctrinating our nation’s children, a prohibition against government education would have been included in the First Amendment.

If Jefferson were alive today he would be lobbying for the plan I outline in post #29!

By the way, are you a government teacher? You’re posts have that look about them.


93 posted on 03/09/2008 3:22:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Morgana

They hate good because it shows them up for what they are.

Since they’re not going to change, the only course of action they have left is to defile the good and pure to try to bring it down to their level. They get some sick, perverted pleasure from trying to corrupt the holy.


94 posted on 03/09/2008 3:35:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

You’re absolutely right, and it’s why I don’t put much stock in the talking heads either.


95 posted on 03/09/2008 3:38:26 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. )
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To: Morgana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_in_America


96 posted on 03/09/2008 3:39:23 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Skooz
I can’t believe the “tolerance” crowd hasn’t shown up here yet. They always jump at the chance to lecture us about “thenthorthip” and how parents should never have any say whatsoever in their children’s schools’ choices of required reading.

Unless it was the Bible.

Porn, OK. Bible, baaadd.

97 posted on 03/09/2008 3:39:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

ping ... they do as the spirit leading them compels them to do.


98 posted on 03/09/2008 3:45:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: gondramB

You aren’t seriously defending giving porn to underage kids, are you?

Because if not, you are dangerously close to appearing to do so.


99 posted on 03/09/2008 3:47:18 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wintertime

you make us all look bad


100 posted on 03/09/2008 4:15:12 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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