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Handgun problem can't be ignored [Barf Alert]
WCF Courier (Iowa) ^ | 3/9/08 | FRED ABRAHAM

Posted on 03/10/2008 9:41:21 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

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To: kiriath_jearim

What a dolt. The only acceptable purpose this cretin mentions for owning a firearm is for recrfeation, with the corollary being the unacceptable purpose of killing people (and no reasonable person will say that it is acceptabole to use a firearm — or anything else — to kill people, except in a very few very extreme circumstances). Which brings me to the main reason free people own firearms (and the reason the author of the article so blatantly ignored): Self-defense and protection of one’s life, family, and property from attacks by evildoers foreign and domestic. Only a free people can possess firearms. Thus, if the gun-grabbers get their way they will in fact be admitting that the American people are not free.


41 posted on 03/10/2008 10:27:11 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: kiriath_jearim
Saturday Night Specials

Another person ignorant of history. The full term was "Saturday Night NiXXertown Specials". It was a reference to cheap firearms used in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods to holdup stores. The racial epithet has been removed over the years and the significant link to violent crime in the black community was lost at the same time. Too bad, because the problem is still one of violent crime in predominantly poor black communities. The politicians want to focus on the inanimate object (the gun) instead of the real criminal community. Black on black crime is something the politicians choose not to acknowledge. They would prefer to disarm everyone rather than acknowledge where the problem really exists.

As for the ignorant comment about a "drive by stabbing", the author clearly doesn't recall the bloodbath in Rwanda and Burundi. No guns necessary. Just lots of machetes. The rivers ran red with blood and body parts.

I went to lunch yesterday (Sunday) with my wife and son at a restaurant in Pocatello. A large group of guys walked in after we were seated. Many of them had holstered revolvers. None of them were wearing law enforcement uniforms. The people and their firearms were well behaved. No problems at all. Guns aren't the problem. It's irresponsible people. Since we can't or won't do anything about the irresponsible people, it is necessary that responsible people have the option to defend themselves when the odd irresponsible individual arrives with the intent to do bodily harm.

42 posted on 03/10/2008 10:27:17 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: joe fonebone

The XD-40 is pretty nice, too. Smaller capacity but more stopping power, and with the ported barrel, the recoil is very light.


43 posted on 03/10/2008 10:27:19 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: Osage Orange

“Those who beat their guns into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn’t.”
-Thomas Jefferson.


44 posted on 03/10/2008 10:28:05 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Cuttnhorse
I have an XD9 with a 4-inch barrel...was shooting it yesterday. Great firearm.

I got mine a couple of months ago and it very quickly became one of my favorites. 1000+ rounds and not a single misfeed.

45 posted on 03/10/2008 10:28:59 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

How many of these mass shootings take place at a gun show? I can’t say I’ve ever heard of a one.


46 posted on 03/10/2008 10:29:19 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: READINABLUESTATE

The author of this article would probably be disappointed in me: I just bought another 1911.


47 posted on 03/10/2008 10:33:23 AM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes, I’m aware of some usage of the term “racist” in association with cheap guns....

But the more common usage for the “device” has been to describe “cheap guns” more than the term you’re pointing out. Yes, I’m from that great Northern French City of Detroit....originally. So, I’m quite aware of “racist terminology” and while I don’t use such terms, I know quite a bit more about it than most people from personal experience.

However, I have to point out that the definitive term “racist” as used in the case of these ‘cheap guns’ technically originated with NAACP. Really, they felt that the manufacture of expensive guns was racist — BECAUSE gun makers made cheap guns that became available easily in Black and Hispanic areas — THUS saying this was a “racist” attempt to put guns in the hands of criminals.

What I am trying to say is, there indeed might have been an historical context as you pointed out (though, I am not familiar with it in those terms...) the idea of “racism” is thrown in and interspersed into many, many things. For instance the “Stars and Bars”... not a flag of racism initially, but turned into one by many people who BELIEVE that is what it stands for.

So... short of arguing semantics here, it’s not relevant because the actual, accepted definition of a “Saturday night special” is a “Cheap Gun”. Period.


48 posted on 03/10/2008 10:34:52 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

FTA: “There is no single magic solution to the handgun problem. Nonetheless, to continue to ignore the enormous human cost accompanying widespread distribution is an embarrassment.”

Fixed that: “There is no single magic solution to the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION problem. Nonetheless, to continue to ignore the enormous human cost (to Americans) accompanying widespread ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is an embarrassment.


49 posted on 03/10/2008 10:37:09 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: kiriath_jearim
A large segment of our population enjoys hunting as a sport and should be allowed to continue.

How liberal of the author to "allow" us to continue to own rifles. Excuse me, Mr. Metrosexual Whiner, free men do not "allow" liberal wimps to control the exercise of their Constitutional rights.

50 posted on 03/10/2008 10:38:50 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: kiriath_jearim

Don’t take it personally guys. This lazy journalist had to do a story so he put together all his prejudices and reiterated bromides like “the arguments against gun control are all tired and useless”. It’s really disappointing, but think about it guys. This journalist works for an unknown local paper in Iowa. It’s his tired opinion.

What I thought was really funny was his quip about “there aren’t any drive-by stabbings.” He thinks he’s got the goods on ur there and we certainly shouldn’t be able to refute that, right? LOL! He’s only against handguns and only a doped up idiot uses a handgun in a drive by.

Me? I prefer the sawed off ten gauge when I do my drive by’s. LOL!

The only drive by’s going on here is more proof of the simplistic thinking of our drive-by media.

Sigh. Another journalist in favor of gun control - nothing new there.

Yours truly,
The Woim


51 posted on 03/10/2008 10:47:04 AM PDT by The Woim (I'm The Woim and conservatives need to fight to abolish the Dept of Education)
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To: ping jockey
I know let’s invent bullets that explode in mid air before they reach their intended target.

30-gr varmint rounds in a 1/7 20" AR-15 barrel will do the trick. :-)

53 posted on 03/10/2008 10:53:02 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Speaking of authors and articles, this is kind of interesting. I ran a search for “articles by FRED ABRAHAM” in the G and got... nothing. It is like the guy does not exist.

I then went to the source, www.wcfcourier.com (Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier) and searched in the columns for FRED ABRAHAM and it found exactly one article, this one.

I then checked the “Opinions” and found the lone article listed as “Guest”

I got the exact same results when I searched “editorial.” One article. This one.

????????


54 posted on 03/10/2008 10:53:05 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: The Woim

The witty proposal to add a $1,000 per year licensing fee for handguns sounds like it would be a good idea. We could use that money to dismantle the Dept. of Education.

However, the black market exists because of these stupid fees and there are already at least 250 million guns in the U.S. - so it’s back to the drawing board for this really unimaginative gun grabber.

This small journalist at a local paper in Iowa probably doesn’t know the real motivation behind gun control - he probably stupidly thinks that if you outlaw guns crime rates will fall - even if they did is that worth surrendering our individuality and our right to self-defense (which, btw, happens 2.5 million times a year).

Wait! I forget to tell you the real motivation for gun control. It was Vlad Lenin who said “One man with a gun can control 100.” Never forget that.

Yours truly,
The Woim


55 posted on 03/10/2008 10:54:14 AM PDT by The Woim (I'm The Woim and conservatives need to fight to abolish the Dept of Education)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
First of all, I'm not accusing you of racism. Just to be clear on that.

I'm (and I notice a couple other fellows making the same point) pointing out that gun-control freaks have all manner of bad motives in their history, and racial bigotry is one of them.

the more common usage for the “device” has been to describe “cheap guns”

That's a derivative usage ... the original involved the racial slur. I wondered "why Saturday night?" until reading about the racial angle.

The larger point to be made is that the gun-control freaks began by targeting gun ownership among various folks they could paint as "undesirables" ... they've progressed to painting all of us as "undesirable". Every supposedly "reasonable" or "limited" imposition of gun-control is just a toehold.

56 posted on 03/10/2008 10:54:59 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
When the mentally unstable were institutionalized instead of left to roam freely, there were a lot fewer mass murders going on.

Now, I own a few handguns, and I must have been the lucky winner. None of them, despite some of them having lived abroad for a while in the hands of military or police have gone on a killing rampage. They have behaved impeccably, only doing what I have them do, including sitting in a safe and staying put, not going off half-cocked, and riding placidly in holsters and gun cases without wandering off and getting into mischief. When I communicate to them that I want them to put a piece of lead and gilding metal into a target, they have done so without fail, unless I messed up in my direction of their activities.

I do not believe the guns are the problem.

Rather, the problem is the violent PEOPLE who have been running loose and taking advantage of the State-enforced hunting preserves for predators.

57 posted on 03/10/2008 10:57:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
First of all, I'm not accusing you of racism. Just to be clear on that.

Never said that. :) I'm on your side. I completely agree with all you've said. I do not now believe nor have ever believed, nor will I ever believe that guns should only be put into the hands of "those who can be trusted" (or any other such rational.

All FREE MEN - which means all Americans, should, in my opinion own several... guns. That will prevent things like "racism" rearing is ugly head again.

The next incidents of racism will be against white, middle-class, middle-aged America males who happen to own guns. That's not a prediction, it's already a fact. Last note on this, the derivative usage of the phrase "Saturday Night Special" is also the COMMON usage (which is all I was saying). Bet you can't find one person out there under 30 that has a clue about the other phrasing. In fact, if you ask the "average joe" on the street what it means, they will tell you "cheap gun". That's just as it is... I can't change that.

Racial bigotry is something that mostly has left today's society. It is only perpetuated by Elitists and those whom are being told by the media they are oppressed. White folks can't be "oppressed" because they are the oppressors (and it's becoming vogue to oppress them in return for some misperceived wrongs that most of us couldn't have, and wouldn't have done in the first place.
58 posted on 03/10/2008 11:05:14 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: TLI

Interesting huh? He only exists in one article?


59 posted on 03/10/2008 11:08:48 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

“Unfortunately, we seem to be unable to separate an acceptable purpose for firearm ownership — recreation — from an unacceptable one — killing people.”

Defending myself and my family seems like an acceptable purpose.

This guy is an imbecile. He writes like a 7th grader.


60 posted on 03/10/2008 11:09:34 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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