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Gang Members Get Trained in the Army
New American Media ^ | March 9, 2008 | Claudia Nez

Posted on 03/10/2008 5:44:22 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

While hundreds of Mexican soldiers are deserting the army to join drug trafficking gangs, California is facing the opposite problem: A growing number of gang members here have infiltrated the U.S. Armed Forces in order to receive military training.

The numbers speak for themselves: In 2003 there were just 16 incidents of gang members in the U.S. Armed Forces, while in 2006 the total was 10,309, according to the study, "Gang-Related Activity in the U.S. Armed Forces Increasing," released in 2007 by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Twenty-two official entities, including the Los Angeles Police Department, participated in the report.

This study, classified as sensitive and meant for use by official agencies, reveals the presence of street gangs like the Mexican Mafia (EME), the Mara Salvatrucha, Hells Angels, The 18th Street Gang, the Norteños, the Sureños, as well as various supremacist groups on military bases.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 13; 14; 18thstreetgang; armedforces; army; eme; gang; gangs; hellsangels; marasalvatrucha; mexicanmafia; military; ms13; n14; norte; nortenos; norteos; s13; sur; sureos

1 posted on 03/10/2008 5:44:22 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: SandRat; EternalVigilance; goldstategop; NormsRevenge; Borax Queen; janetgreen; PhilDragoo; ...

Veterans are best qualified to comment on this.


2 posted on 03/10/2008 5:45:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Clintonfatigued

A serious problem for the security of the country and the safety of our streets.


3 posted on 03/10/2008 5:50:27 PM PDT by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Okay, I’ll comment. When I served drugs were a big problem in the military. They came down hard on drug use. They had better swiftly crack down hard on gang activity, or suspected gang activity!


4 posted on 03/10/2008 5:51:07 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Clintonfatigued

This happened quite often Roman territories in the 2nd and 3rd century AD.
Legion veterans would either become lawmen/security or brigands/bandits. Most were predisposed to one life or the other by situations prior to their induction into the legions.


5 posted on 03/10/2008 5:51:34 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Clintonfatigued

Worrying. It seems to me that it depends on where their final loyalties are: to their gangs, or to their new country and their fellow soldiers.

There is a tradition of taking juvenile delinquents or some kinds of criminals into the military and making men of them, at least there used to be. The Foreign Legion was most famous for that, but the US Military has done it, at least in the past.

What the present situation is, I have no idea.


6 posted on 03/10/2008 5:53:14 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I think chances are higher of them coming right, than returning “combat trained” thugs. chances are a little self pride and a little recognition for what a work ethic can do, and they might just get out. At least they’ll get away. for some, it might be their first view of another life. a little cash, a little self respect, could be a good thing for them.

I really have a hard time seeing them going back and gunning down rival gangs with “Fallujah tactics” - personally.


7 posted on 03/10/2008 5:53:23 PM PDT by stompk
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To: Clintonfatigued

seems california is becoming the gutter of the USA.


8 posted on 03/10/2008 5:53:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory; Jim Robinson

“seems california is becoming the gutter of the USA.”

If homeschooling does become illegal, is there any chance of a mass exodous from the state?


9 posted on 03/10/2008 5:55:25 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“The game’s afoot, Watson...” - Sherlock Holmes


10 posted on 03/10/2008 5:56:36 PM PDT by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: Clintonfatigued
Back when I joined in 1989, the Corps had its share of gang bangers within its ranks. There were only a few that I witnessed that did not shed their "ways". I think part of that was due to those Marines serving in relative proximity to where they came from (In this case, Pendleton, they were close to L.A, Long Beach and San Diego). They should have been shipped off to Lejeune.

At any rate, I don't believe it is the propensity to use ones training after getting out, it should be better screening prior to letting assholes who have no intentions of changing their ways into our ranks (I tend to believe I was an asshole who ran across kind, compassionate and caring Drill Instructors who cultivated my self being into being a productive human being with a size 11 boot up my ass; but that's just me.)

11 posted on 03/10/2008 5:57:43 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: JerseyHighlander

Barbarians are as barbarians do.


12 posted on 03/10/2008 5:58:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Clintonfatigued
Guns should only be in the hands of law enforcement and the military.

--- A liberal idiot.

13 posted on 03/10/2008 5:58:21 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: stompk

As long as they don’t put a number of gang members in the same unit, I think you’re right. Gangs are a way of proving your manhood, but in the military you can learn another, better way.

I had a PhD student who was the warlord of a Hispanic gang in the South Bronx before he became principal of a high school in the South Bronx and then went back to get his PhD.

His earlier career qualified him well to educate tough kids.


14 posted on 03/10/2008 5:58:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: longtermmemmory
seems california is becoming the gutter of the USA.

Graffiti is on the rise and is not being covered like it used to be. Reelect Villarigosa!

15 posted on 03/10/2008 6:03:08 PM PDT by Loud Mime (If Muslims love death, why do they have hospitals?)
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To: stompk

I read one article 2 years ago that highlighted a Marine sargeant who had gang ties with a local L.A. Crip affiliate, and his subordinate was a Mexican gang leader as well.

Together, they fought in the Al Anbar province when it was still lawless, and they used their gang “experience/tactics” to subdue the insurgents. Eventually, both of them got bronze stars and even though there was a blood feud between their gangs back in L.A, they were able to co-exist.

But then again, you could compare this situation to ex- Air Force pilots from WW2 who eventually formed Hells Angels when they were discharged.


16 posted on 03/10/2008 6:03:34 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Clintonfatigued

Wow! So much motivation, yet only ambition is to be a low-life thug.


17 posted on 03/10/2008 6:05:10 PM PDT by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: Michael Barnes
Grrr...to quick to hit post twice..

Wanted to note, met a few "bangers" in boot who became Sergeant within four in the Corps. Completely changed outlooks. Quite a few more were E4's (quite easy to do in four if you keep your act straight and are squared away). Bottom line, their may be bangers in the services, but I doubt they all can actively flaunt it. As well, there are some serious "white power" Aryans within the ranks; don't hear many stories about them.

18 posted on 03/10/2008 6:06:03 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Clintonfatigued

There have been confirmed sightings of MS-13 graffiti in Iraq, which suggests gang infiltration into the military. It’s a problem the Army, at least, is taking very seriously.


19 posted on 03/10/2008 6:07:53 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Obadiah

When i was in the Navy, on board the BIG E. I served with more then a comfortable amount of gang members, with the tattoos to prove it. That is half the reason i got out!! And drugs were a problem then too. 94-97


20 posted on 03/10/2008 6:08:19 PM PDT by beericus
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To: Clintonfatigued
"The National Gang Task Force reports that from 2003 to 2006, the Army investigated more than 100 cases of crimes that involved soldiers related to the most dangerous gangs in the country."

Probably a fraction of what occurs weekly in any LA high school or neighborhood. This article is a liberal hack job not worth commenting on.

21 posted on 03/10/2008 6:11:21 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Clintonfatigued

Look for Gang Tattoos and don’t let them in.


22 posted on 03/10/2008 6:11:34 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: beericus

Drugs were a major problem throughout the country during the 1990’s, more so than now.


23 posted on 03/10/2008 6:14:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: beericus

Rumsfeld (who signed this order) should be drawn and quartered for allowing this to happen. And I believe this is an impeachable offense for Bush.

I saw this coming years ago when I first heard about it. Gang members, illegals most of them, being promised citizenship if they go thru the Armed Forces...Unbelievable.


24 posted on 03/10/2008 6:22:22 PM PDT by levotb
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To: levotb

Where is the Congress? Where is Congressional oversight? Too busy running for re-election...


25 posted on 03/10/2008 6:23:01 PM PDT by levotb
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To: Clintonfatigued

The Pentagon—our military leaders—care not one iota for the safety and well being of U.S. citizens in the U.S.? Why? Because training gang bangers in the military and making them citizens where they will return to “civilian life” when they’re finished their prescribed terms puts us ALL in peril! It’s like a trojan horse—only Bush and Rumsfeld and likely others in the Pentagon dreamed this insanity up, and they should be held accountable for the consequences.


26 posted on 03/10/2008 6:39:41 PM PDT by levotb
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To: Clintonfatigued
You need to watch Gangland : Basic Training on the History Channel. It was all about gangs in the military.
27 posted on 03/10/2008 6:48:30 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Clintonfatigued
Nothing new. Many "made men" earned their bones via distributing booze, dope, and broads while wearing a uniform back in the day.

Still, we need to cut down on this BS pronto. Problem is, you can't just bounce somebody out unless they are caught engaging in criminal activity.

28 posted on 03/10/2008 6:50:37 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Really? The meth epidemic is an '00s phenomenon.

Recreational drug use was at its highest in the 1970s. It has ebbed and flowed since then.

BTW: Unless you homeschool, there ARE DRUGS AT YOUR CHILD's SCHOOL! Yes, even at my Catholic high school, we had the stoner and "beautiful people" types who scored the best sh-t. Of course, my weakness is for cigars and single malt, not Bolivian dancing dust.

29 posted on 03/10/2008 6:56:15 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza

Clemenza

Maybe it seems as if nothing’s new...Remember how famed fighter/criminal Rocky Graziano was booted out of the Army for punching out his sergeant, etc.? Well, there’s a difference between that and illegal alien gang members. Rocky was an American citizen...these thugs are not...or I should say, “were not”...


30 posted on 03/10/2008 6:56:58 PM PDT by levotb
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To: levotb

All fine and dandy, but many noncitizens have served in the US Army, many with distinction, others with more nefarious intents, since day one.


31 posted on 03/10/2008 6:58:51 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Sawdring

I tried that link to Gangland, but it involves RSS and I don’t understand “how” to get to see those two episodes on gangs in our military.


32 posted on 03/10/2008 7:02:21 PM PDT by levotb
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To: Clemenza

No, NOT “fine and dandy”!! People have been murderers “since Day 1”, so does that excuse or relieve Bush and Rumsfeld of their responsibility over this? Two of our American servicemen have been killed by gangs in the Army/Marines. That’s blood on both their hands.


33 posted on 03/10/2008 7:14:25 PM PDT by levotb
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To: levotb

Nonsense. What happened... You get lost on your way to KOS?

Gang members joining the military isn’t exactly new. Further... A military trained gangbanger isn’t necessarily more of a risk than he was before. They already know how to shoot guns and they already have the willingness to do so. The tactics learned in the military may be helpful but only in really, really limited circumstances.

Just as likely the gangbanger is going to see what else there is in the world to aspire to. He’ll meet people that are a life-changing influence. Often as not I would bet the military will have a very positive influence. Some of these bangers will get out of gangs because of their service. Otherwise none of them will.

I’ll take those odds.


34 posted on 03/10/2008 7:20:45 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: longtermmemmory
seems california is becoming the gutter of the USA.

This is just another ignorant CS slam on California.

Do you understand that some of these gangs originated from Salvadorian illegal aliens and some other Central Americans countries? Members can be found in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, Miami Florida, Texas, California, Washington, D.C., Northern Virginia, Maryland and many other states. Not to mention they are now in other countries.

For years Bush has stood down at the border rolling out the red carpet for tens of millions of illegal aliens, and while he was celebrating Cinco De Mayo up in the White House, he implied Americans are bigots and were too lazy to work...All this while his press spokesperson in an attempt to minimize this violent lawless invasion, suggested millions entering America illegally can be compared to a minor traffic violation.

Now would you suggest that the occupants of the White House have caused the White House to become the gutter of the USA? Or does that not fit into your agenda?

35 posted on 03/10/2008 7:34:42 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Clintonfatigued
Veterans are best qualified to comment on this.

Why? It's not a military issue. When religion and morals are under attack in society at large, the immorality will eventually propagate everywhere --- the corporate boardroom, the governor's mansion, the White House, the military... We are not even allowed to call scum by its name: terrorists are "activists" (according to Reuters), hoodlums are "underprivileged," Muslim rioters are "youths." Is is any surprise that the "underprivileged," the "youths," the "activists" become more and more emboldened and sophisticated?

36 posted on 03/10/2008 7:41:36 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: dragnet2

so the public schools have the who left wing politics and sexual agenda incorporated, the taxes are insane, the budget is a mess, illegals are pevasive, and now this.

I have not heard of illegals in any other part of the USA joining the military, just this california story.

It is just that most of the societal collapse stories coincide with california.


37 posted on 03/10/2008 7:45:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Clintonfatigued

They have had issues with gang members for many years in the armed forces, dating back decades. Hell, on some carriers old gang bangers would segregate themselves in parts of the ship until some senior person would notice and break it up. It was an issue in the 90’s, and is becoming an issue again. Hell, we have gang graffiti in Iraq, for crying out loud.


38 posted on 03/10/2008 7:46:27 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: longtermmemmory

Why don’t you answer the questions asked?


39 posted on 03/10/2008 7:46:38 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Clintonfatigued

This would not be happening if there were more Republican families like the McCains and Hunters and fewer like the Romneys and Huckabees. I believe, peronally, that one of the greatest advantages of staying in the military is that you typically don’t have to deal with people like Schumer, Spitzer, Obama and (Mark) Warner because guys like them never join the service. It puzzles me that more young men out of conservative families don’t view military service not as an option but instead as an obligation. There are five active services and seven reserve components; young elibible men should do the right thing and join one.


40 posted on 03/10/2008 7:53:39 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Cicero

You are correct: this guy was destined to be a punk before a judge sent him on a date with the Marine Corps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Lee_Ermey


41 posted on 03/10/2008 7:56:29 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: longtermmemmory
"It is just that most of the societal collapse stories coincide with california."

You're joking, right? All those naughty teachers screwing their students, those are all in California. All the shootings at colleges lately, those were all in California? The crazy mom who drove her kids into the lake, that was in California? Mike Nifong, John Murtha, CindySheehan, they're all from California. Riiight! BTW, here's my little slice of the cesspool:



High today of 76, sunny, good visibility with gentle breezes cooling things off in the afternoon. I was out yesterday in a friend's power boat off Dana Point. Grilling ribs right now for dinner.

How was your day?
42 posted on 03/10/2008 8:14:17 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: MSF BU

Good story. I wonder how many judges these days would have enough sense to offer military service as an alternative.


43 posted on 03/10/2008 8:25:36 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

You’re in Dana Point? I visited there 2 weekends ago! You’re right, it is gorgeous there. And yall have the biggest Mercedes dealership I have ever seen! :)

I told my liberal friends at work about going there and they warned me about going behind the “Orange Curtain.” They said it was a place where “rich conservative Republicans live and nothing happens.” They were shocked when I told them how much I enjoyed my visit.

I’ve lived in the bay area for ten years. I honestly can’t believe that the OC is part of California. It is so much nicer, cleaner and well-kept than any other region I’ve visited.


44 posted on 03/10/2008 10:16:59 PM PDT by BamaGirl (If I give Obama 76 cents will he stop clamoring for change?)
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To: BamaGirl

No, I live in Mission Viejo. About 10 -12 miles inland.


45 posted on 03/10/2008 10:32:45 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Clintonfatigued; expatguy; Paige; Tennessee_Bob; cspackler; ECM; STOCKHRSE; ...

Fall of Rome ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


46 posted on 03/11/2008 8:32:35 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: Clintonfatigued

This is what has happened because the military has dropped it’s recruiting standards so low in order to meet recruiting goals.


47 posted on 03/11/2008 4:27:21 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: levotb
I think you might have to find out when the episode is playing again. I have that Gangland series Tivo’ed. It is pretty good and I hope they get into the Russian mob at some point.
48 posted on 03/11/2008 4:53:07 PM PDT by Sawdring
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