Skip to comments.Even huge tumour can't secure care in Ontario
Posted on 03/12/2008 1:34:22 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious
Inside Sylvia de Vries lurked an enormous tumour and fluid totalling 18 kilograms. But not even that massive weight gain and a diagnosis of ovarian cancer could assure her timely treatment in Canada.
Fighting for her life, the Windsor woman headed to the United States. In Pontiac, Mich., a surgeon excised the tumour - 35 centimetres at its longest - along with her ovaries, appendix, fallopian tubes, uterus and cervix. In addition, 13 litres of fluid were drained during that October, 2006, operation.
And there was little time to spare: Had she waited two weeks, she would have faced potential multiorgan failure, rendering her unstable for surgery, according to a letter from Michael L. Hicks, who performed the four-hour operation at St. Joseph Mercy Oakland.
"Based on my exam and experience as a gynecological oncologist, I felt it necessary to perform surgery within two weeks," said the letter written by Dr. Hicks, provided to Ms. de Vries's lawyer, Kate Sellar.
But a devastating cancer diagnosis was only the beginning of Ms. de Vries's troubles.
The Ontario Health Insurance Plan says it won't pay for the $60,000 cancer treatment because Ms. de Vries did not fill out the correct form seeking preapproval for out-of-country care.
As well, it says no medical documentation was submitted that indicated a delay in obtaining the service in Ontario would result in death or medically significant, irreversible tissue damage.
That administrative misstep has left Ms. de Vries, a 51-year-old corporate communications manager, with a staggering cancer bill. She has drained her savings, maxed out her credit cards, taken out a line of credit and relied on friends to hold a spaghetti-dinner fundraiser, which earned $11,125.
"I feel abandoned; I was fighting for my life," Ms. de Vries said. "... I definitely would like to get some money back but more importantly, I would like to see the situation rectified so [other patients] don't go through this."
Ms. de Vries's case raises questions about OHIP's out-of-country health coverage program, which was put under a review more than a year ago after cancer patient Suzanne Aucoin of St. Catharines, Ont., was denied funding for treatment she received in the United States.
Only after ombudsman André Marin intervened was Ms. Aucoin reimbursed $76,018.23 in January, 2007, to cover costs associated with the colorectal cancer drug Erbitux, among other expenses and legal fees. (She has since died.)
At the time, Mr. Marin described the out-of-country approval process as "literally impossible for patients and physicians to understand."
Just two months before Mr. Marin made those comments, Ms. de Vries was trying to get access to that same program.
To have an out-of-country treatment approved, the procedure must not be performed in Ontario, cannot be experimental and should be deemed medically appropriate. However, patients can have out-of-country treatment funded even if it is available in Ontario so long as there is a delay that would cause irreversible tissue damage or death. Part of the form must be filled out by the patient's physician.
Patients denied preapproved, out-of-country treatment can appeal their cases to the Health Services Appeal and Review Board. And that is what OHIP has suggested to Ms. de Vries.
But her lawyer, Ms. Sellar, said such an appeal would be futile: Since Ms. de Vries did not fill out the out-of-country form before receiving treatment in the U.S., she cannot win the appeal.
Health Minister George Smitherman has the discretion to reimburse Ms. de Vries for treatment, if he chooses to do so. Ms. de Vries said she contacted her MPP, Sandra Pupatello, about it. In the end, she was told she had to go through the appeal process.
Bill Hryniuk, a past chairman of the board for the Cancer Advocacy Coalition of Canada, said cases like Ms. de Vries are "happening quite a bit." The problem, Dr. Hryniuk said, is that "no one is in charge. No one is in charge of the case and the patient bounces around. ... It really is a bad system. Really, it's no system."
Even after Ms. de Vries obtained a CT scan in the U.S. that suggested she had ovarian cancer, she still couldn't get treatment in Ontario. She was referred to a gynecologist who would not take her as a patient because she had dismissed his practice partner some years earlier. Another gynecologist said he did not believe she had ovarian cancer. And a general surgeon said she needed a gynecological oncologist.
At that point, in October, 2006, her condition was worsening - so she tapped her savings and went to the U.S.
After the surgery, she tried to get into the cancer system in Windsor, this time for chemotherapy. In November, she was told there was a six-week wait for chemotherapy, and she ended up getting chemo in the U.S. as well.
Ron Foster, vice-president of public affairs and communications for Windsor Regional Hospital, which includes the Windsor Regional Cancer Centre, said such a wait even back in 2006 would have been unusual - that it may have been as long as three weeks. Today, chemotherapy begins within one week of being referred by a doctor, he said.
Several improvements have also been made to the out-of-country process. A bulletin describing the program was mailed to the province's physicians, hospitals and associations in October, 2007. The next month, a special website was created. Those who receive denial letters are now provided a special telephone number to call for clarification on why the request was rejected, said Health Ministry spokeswoman Joanne Woodward Fraser.
But all that was too late for Ms. de Vries.
"I feel disappointed that when you're going through something like I did, you had to think about financial issues. It put a tremendous amount of strain on us," she said.
Her husband, Adriaan de Vries, an IT systems engineer, said they had no choice but to go to the U.S. "Nobody was in charge," he said, "and nobody really cared."
It’s “free” when you can get it I guess. But this would never happen under hillary care.
There, but for the grace of God, goeth Hillary.
Does DEATH count as medically appropriate? LOL!
Which, of course, is the entire point.
Hillabama Universal Government Health Care is coming to your town.
Aren’t you pleased?
Government health care means no health care.
That’s the future of US healthcare if the dems get control of congress and the WH.
Then where do Americans go for timely care? Nowhere. We start dying on waiting lists.
This is the answer I always get from libs I know when I point out how socialized healthcare fails everywhere else in the world.
Government healthcare means excellent healthcare for the political elites. All others wait in line.
1. Medical cruise ships (we are now outside the 3 mile limit, you may begin surgery)
2. Bahamas hospitals
3. Cuba as Michael Moore worships it now
or 4. Cuba after Raul is shot and Fidel is dug up, shot and reburied?
Exactly! They quote these countries as examples but ignore stories such as this one. I don't think for a moment these are isolated cases either.
Dems rush in where angels fear to tread.........
If we are forced to take socialized medicine, where in the world will Canadians go to get healthcare?................
Then they'll take credit for solving the Social Security problem.
It's funny that you should mention him because when I saw the headline I thought this article was about him.
It’ll work so well someone will sponsor the “Logan’s Run” act.
Some would argue that this is an anecdotal story. I don’t think that it is, though, because of a similar incident that claimed the life of one of my ex girlfriend’s family members. That person was preliminarily diagnosed with breast cancer. However, final diagnosis (MRI and simple biopsy) was put off for about six months. In that time, the cancer metasticized. Treatment was never approved because it was deemed to be futile, and she died shortly thereafter. The irony is that because she was never treated, the gov’t stats didn’t count her case as a death caused by poor treatment or anything like that. Basically, the delay and her death before treatment helped keep their numbers looking good. This was many years ago, but I see nothing here to indicate that anything has changed.
Socialized medicine is a travesty. Yes, our healthcare system is a mess, but that’s BECAUSE it is partially (more than partially, really) socialized already, and lawsuits, regulation, insurance compliance, Medicaid compliance, Medicare compliance, etc., etc. are out of control. MORE socialization and regulation is just pouring gas on that fire.
No, it means the government gets to play God. It will be a nameless, faceless bureaucrat who will decide who lives and who dies. And money or more succinctly the money the politicians have available to buy future votes will be the determining factor.
This as they say in computer code writing is not a bug, but a feature. It is the very foundation of a bureaucracy that no one is in charge. Bureaucracy's were supposed to be pure, mechanistic, organizations free from human deficiencies.
I used to call the Army, the Post Office with guns. One of the common nature of bureaucacy is is for 'managers'( there are no leaders ) to aquire as much authority as possible and distribute responsibility as far afield as possible.( It's the 'systems' fault ) That is why the same person in a bureaucracy that lets' you know they are God and King, can pull a Casper in a second if anything goes wrong. By the way, Bureaucracy is a french word and comes out of the Napoleonic dictator era. ( It figures, don't it?)
Problem is, we don’t have a convenient “United States” next door to go to if Hillobama put this in place here. My suggestion would be fly to the Philippines or India for decent, inexpensive medical care, if Hillobama will let you...
Why is it so quiet here? What are you reaching in the top desk drawer for? Is that a gu...
That will be removing money from the ‘system’. Much like sending your kids to public skools. Not allowed.
Someone should have asked her if she supported socialized health care before offering her U.S. help. If she supports it, she should live with the consequences...
I wouldn’t send my dog to Mexico for health care, so what else is there. I guess you just don’t tell them why you are going there on “vacation” or business.
My answer: all those who became terribly sick died because they were unable to get care, thus leaving only healthy people left. This makes it seem that national healthcare makes for healthier people but it doesn't. It just means the unhealthy don't survive long enough to bring down the national health average.
I spent some time talking this weekend to a woman from Canada who was involved in health care. She thought their system was wonderful.
I thought it was a good opportunity to get some questions answered, so I asked her about two things - length of time to get care, and about her taxes.
She skirted the “length of time to get care”. She said if you were in danger, you were “moved up on the list.”
As far as taxes, she paid 45% income taxes, and some 15%sales tax. Plus other myriad taxes. Then the care wasn’t really “free”. There were some incidentals she had to pay, like a yearly prescription drug fee, several hundred dollars. She also told me they now have a cat scan available in their town of about 30K people. (They used to have to go to a large regional center.) But she thought it a wonderful system!
She said the problem was a shortage of doctors.
When I told her I got basically immediate care, paid a few hundred a month, and my son who has no income gets almost free meds, it seemed to go over her head, like she wasn’t willing to accept our system was that good. She seemed a very nice person, but I don’t think she understood the quality of the care we get here.
Amen, brother, amen!
Another problem with their system. They all flee to the U.S.! Follow the money.
The future of US healthcare is much worse once we get socialized medicine. There will be no jumping across the border to get what you can’t get at home and much less incentive to “improve” things because there is no escape for the victims of SocMed.
Government healthcare will deteriorate for the elites also because medical research will end.
I haven’t seen a doctor in years. The dogs are at the vets every few months.
My question is why aren’t people suing the govt? I’m sure they are getting fleeced for the tax money.
Do you know the average pay the doctors in the system get? Just curious.
Here's some official statistics:
My suggestion would be fly to the Philippines or India for decent, inexpensive medical care, if Hillobama will let you...
Saint Lukes is the choice for US Embassy personnel in PI..
AND they have an “International Patient Care” program...
Looks like a fine hospital. Do you know if Cebu has anything similar?
Looks like a fine hospital. Do you know if Cebu has anything similar?
I never spent time in Cebu,, however as there are large numbers of medical schools there ,, and being that it is the most metropolitan area other than Manila I would feel good about visiting a hospital there.. If you’re planning on living in Cebu ,, you can be in Manila in under 90 minutes on PAL or one of the other airlines..
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