Posted on 03/13/2008 11:19:50 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
Generally, Conservatism is about federalism and states rights. But there are some things that are too important to be left up to the states; for example, issues of morality (marriage [gay marriage, polygamy], assisted suicide [Oregon]), social and individual well-being (legalizing marijuana and other drugs [California]), government (banking, coining money, war and peace).
Conservatives realize that when issues like these arise and states want to pass state laws that are immoral or should be illegal, the power of the Federal Government is needed to prevent states from committing these wrongs (as happened with the Shiavo case).
Deed of Trust, Car registration, employment contract.
I think I'm seeing a new "syndrome": BLS (battered legislator syndrome)
Perhaps we could start a new party and offer counseling services.
The point is, our founders set up government to avoid the nanny state we have now. To allow choice. If Mass. wants to license marriage, and they want to include homosexuals, fine. If Texas doesn't, fine also. If you are moving from one state to another, learn the laws and either accept them, work to change them, or don't go there. If your state enacts laws you disagree with, move.
We are free people and we should not have to get our government's permission to get married, buy a house or move. THAT is what sets us apart from the rest of the world. At least, it used to.
Everything you said is so unconstitutional.
The feds are not supposed to be involved in any of those things. The judiciary has overstepped it’s bounds and interfered in all those things. The fed government redistributes tax money based on marriage status - it’s all wrong.
Santorum and those that agree with him want to correct the judiciary by passing more laws. I have little hope that any of it will work.
Bottom line, the federal government is evil. You cannot depend on it to decide moral issues. That is the opposite of what the founders intended.
We have 60,000,000 dead babies to prove it.
McCain will not change and I will not vote for him....even if he said he did.
fair enough!
I disagree. You say the federal government is evil. Does that mean state governments are good?
Do you realize that if Roe vs. Wade is overturned abortion will be legal in many states? Aren’t those state governments evil? That is why even if Roe vs. Wade is overturned we will need a federal statute making abortion illegal. Plus all the other immoral or illegal acts state governments sometimes try to legalize.
The federal government represents all the people of our nation, not just the people of one area like state governments. That is why it is up to the federal government to enforce American morality and legality when state governments fail.
I came to the same conclusion a while back.
The government needs to be out of the marriage business - we as a people need to demand it. It's doubtful that this will happen, however, because people now look to the government for approval and protection.
Ironically, for those concerned about such things, government involvement in marriage won't prevent gay marriage - at some point it will help facilitate it.
Continued government regulation of marriage simply means that in addition to gay marriage, the government will have an excuse to further regulate our private lives.
And the groupie Weasnicks make excuses for him..
Leaving the room is the only way to regain any self respect..
Amazingly some will sacrifice all self respect at the polls in Nov..
I love Rick, and am pissed off at the voters of PA for throwing him out. Nevertheless, if McCain starts SCREAMING about God and abortion, he is toast, even against a loon like Obama.
Rick Santorum is now giving advice on how to win elections after losing his own election.
The 2 RATs, one for the bitch the other for flop ears, said they would not vote if their candidate was not selected by the demonRATs.
We are all old high school pals, and in our 60's so we are not representative of all voters, but the fact that the 2 RATs are so set in their convictions, may indicate how much tension there is in the RAT ranks.
A legal marriage in any state is legally recognized in all 50 states. Hence, it is a federal issue.
If you're going to defend homosexual marriage, at least try be honest about it and spare everyone the bogus federalism misdirection.
No one is asking McCain to scream, just asking him to sound convincingly in agreement with basic social conservative principles.
Methinks that would be a bit too much to ask, though. Someone needs to clue McCain in, or maybe he’s deliberately staying unclued as a way to show his independence. Some voters care about traditional marriage, life/abortion, Christian faith in our society, and values in education (no, not PC ‘values’), etc. Some dont like eco-faddism as a junk-food substitute for real Christian values.
It doesn’t have to be recognized in all 50 states. The founders wanted each state to be a singular test tube, and citizens could vote with ballots and with their feet. There is no reason that a Marriage License must be accepted by all 50 states other than the federal government tells us it must be so. They never meant the federal government to be our master, they wanted us to in control.
I dont know about you but Mexicans(round up and deport illegals) and Queers(Agenda) are numbers #2, and #5 on my list of top 5 problems that I want addressed.
I currently live in Pennsylvania, unfortunately. I've lived in many states. Honestly, I can't say I've come across a more willfully uninformed, blissfully ignorant constituency anywhere in this country (and I've lived in Southern California). To call them sheep would be far too kind.
Being unpopular in this place should be considered a badge of honor.
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This is a conversation about what is, not what should be. And right now, homosexual marriages in Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii or anywhere else are legally recognized in all 50 states. Therefore, the federalism canard in defense of homosexual marriage (which was the crux of the post I was responding to) is entirely bogus and thoroughly dishonest.
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