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The Elephant in the Room: McCain must change views on social issues (Rick Santorum)
Philly.com ^ | 3/13/08 | Rick Santorum

Posted on 03/13/2008 11:19:50 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Perdogg

Generally, Conservatism is about federalism and states rights. But there are some things that are too important to be left up to the states; for example, issues of morality (marriage [gay marriage, polygamy], assisted suicide [Oregon]), social and individual well-being (legalizing marijuana and other drugs [California]), government (banking, coining money, war and peace).

Conservatives realize that when issues like these arise and states want to pass state laws that are immoral or should be illegal, the power of the Federal Government is needed to prevent states from committing these wrongs (as happened with the Shiavo case).


41 posted on 03/13/2008 12:29:17 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Republic of Texas

Deed of Trust, Car registration, employment contract.


42 posted on 03/13/2008 12:30:17 PM PDT by donna (Before they gave us McCain, they tried to give us Rudy.)
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To: donna
Hey, Rick Santorum, how is your support for Arlen Specter working out for you? Does Arlen call? Does he write?

I think I'm seeing a new "syndrome": BLS (battered legislator syndrome)

Perhaps we could start a new party and offer counseling services.

43 posted on 03/13/2008 12:31:32 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: donna
A Deed of Trust is an instrument between the lender and the borrower which is kept at the county records office. It is not a government license to purchase a house. You do not need to register a car to purchase a car, although it is advisable.

The point is, our founders set up government to avoid the nanny state we have now. To allow choice. If Mass. wants to license marriage, and they want to include homosexuals, fine. If Texas doesn't, fine also. If you are moving from one state to another, learn the laws and either accept them, work to change them, or don't go there. If your state enacts laws you disagree with, move.

We are free people and we should not have to get our government's permission to get married, buy a house or move. THAT is what sets us apart from the rest of the world. At least, it used to.

44 posted on 03/13/2008 12:37:56 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: FFranco

Everything you said is so unconstitutional.

The feds are not supposed to be involved in any of those things. The judiciary has overstepped it’s bounds and interfered in all those things. The fed government redistributes tax money based on marriage status - it’s all wrong.

Santorum and those that agree with him want to correct the judiciary by passing more laws. I have little hope that any of it will work.

Bottom line, the federal government is evil. You cannot depend on it to decide moral issues. That is the opposite of what the founders intended.

We have 60,000,000 dead babies to prove it.


45 posted on 03/13/2008 12:39:00 PM PDT by donna (Before they gave us McCain, they tried to give us Rudy.)
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To: NormsRevenge

McCain will not change and I will not vote for him....even if he said he did.


46 posted on 03/13/2008 12:41:57 PM PDT by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: donna

fair enough!


47 posted on 03/13/2008 12:50:15 PM PDT by rrrod
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To: donna

I disagree. You say the federal government is evil. Does that mean state governments are good?

Do you realize that if Roe vs. Wade is overturned abortion will be legal in many states? Aren’t those state governments evil? That is why even if Roe vs. Wade is overturned we will need a federal statute making abortion illegal. Plus all the other immoral or illegal acts state governments sometimes try to legalize.

The federal government represents all the people of our nation, not just the people of one area like state governments. That is why it is up to the federal government to enforce American morality and legality when state governments fail.


48 posted on 03/13/2008 12:52:35 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Republic of Texas
Why is the government involved in marriage at all? Are we really FREE when we to have to get a license from the government to get married? Why not a license to have children? Replace the word “license” with “permission” and see how that feels.

I came to the same conclusion a while back.

The government needs to be out of the marriage business - we as a people need to demand it. It's doubtful that this will happen, however, because people now look to the government for approval and protection.

Ironically, for those concerned about such things, government involvement in marriage won't prevent gay marriage - at some point it will help facilitate it.

Continued government regulation of marriage simply means that in addition to gay marriage, the government will have an excuse to further regulate our private lives.

49 posted on 03/13/2008 1:03:07 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: NormsRevenge
Mclaim is the giant Weasleosuraus in the room..
When he turns on you he knocks things over..

And the groupie Weasnicks make excuses for him..
Leaving the room is the only way to regain any self respect..

Amazingly some will sacrifice all self respect at the polls in Nov..

50 posted on 03/13/2008 1:18:30 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: NormsRevenge
This coming from the most unpopular politician in Pennsylvania.

I love Rick, and am pissed off at the voters of PA for throwing him out. Nevertheless, if McCain starts SCREAMING about God and abortion, he is toast, even against a loon like Obama.

51 posted on 03/13/2008 1:28:00 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: NormsRevenge

Rick Santorum is now giving advice on how to win elections after losing his own election.


52 posted on 03/13/2008 1:35:36 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: longtermmemmory
I was at lunch today with 4 pubbies and two demonRATs. All of the pubbies would vote mcpain, but not one will donate a dime nor any time.

The 2 RATs, one for the bitch the other for flop ears, said they would not vote if their candidate was not selected by the demonRATs.

We are all old high school pals, and in our 60's so we are not representative of all voters, but the fact that the 2 RATs are so set in their convictions, may indicate how much tension there is in the RAT ranks.

53 posted on 03/13/2008 1:40:25 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Perdogg
I thought conservativism meant Federalism and now Rick Santorum wants the Feds to dictate to the State aboout marriage.

A legal marriage in any state is legally recognized in all 50 states. Hence, it is a federal issue.

If you're going to defend homosexual marriage, at least try be honest about it and spare everyone the bogus federalism misdirection.

54 posted on 03/13/2008 1:42:21 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Clemenza

No one is asking McCain to scream, just asking him to sound convincingly in agreement with basic social conservative principles.

Methinks that would be a bit too much to ask, though. Someone needs to clue McCain in, or maybe he’s deliberately staying unclued as a way to show his independence. Some voters care about traditional marriage, life/abortion, Christian faith in our society, and values in education (no, not PC ‘values’), etc. Some dont like eco-faddism as a junk-food substitute for real Christian values.


55 posted on 03/13/2008 1:42:57 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

It doesn’t have to be recognized in all 50 states. The founders wanted each state to be a singular test tube, and citizens could vote with ballots and with their feet. There is no reason that a Marriage License must be accepted by all 50 states other than the federal government tells us it must be so. They never meant the federal government to be our master, they wanted us to in control.


56 posted on 03/13/2008 1:46:30 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Ben Ficklin

I dont know about you but Mexicans(round up and deport illegals) and Queers(Agenda) are numbers #2, and #5 on my list of top 5 problems that I want addressed.


57 posted on 03/13/2008 1:47:45 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Clemenza
This coming from the most unpopular politician in Pennsylvania.

I currently live in Pennsylvania, unfortunately. I've lived in many states. Honestly, I can't say I've come across a more willfully uninformed, blissfully ignorant constituency anywhere in this country (and I've lived in Southern California). To call them sheep would be far too kind.

Being unpopular in this place should be considered a badge of honor.

58 posted on 03/13/2008 1:53:21 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: prairiebreeze

read later


59 posted on 03/13/2008 1:58:44 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Spitz spritzed a ditz, no longer putting on the ritz, oh how the shoe fits.)
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To: Republic of Texas
There is no reason that a Marriage License must be accepted by all 50 states other than the federal government tells us it must be so.

This is a conversation about what is, not what should be. And right now, homosexual marriages in Massachusetts, Vermont, Hawaii or anywhere else are legally recognized in all 50 states. Therefore, the federalism canard in defense of homosexual marriage (which was the crux of the post I was responding to) is entirely bogus and thoroughly dishonest.

60 posted on 03/13/2008 2:01:10 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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