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'Houston, we have a problem': Strobe Talbott and George Soros are pleased with all the candidates
World Tribune/AIM ^ | 3/12/08 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 03/13/2008 1:12:05 PM PDT by pissant

It’s not the kind of endorsement that a Republican presidential candidate should welcome. But former Clinton State Department official and alleged Russian dupe Strobe Talbott says that Senator John McCain and Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are all “moderate pragmatists” in foreign policy “with the demonstrated ability to reach across party lines.”

This is “good news,” says Talbott, who is an advocate of world government.

Can our media stop talking about race, sex and gender long enough to examine whether the American people will be given a choice or an echo on foreign policy issues this November?

The praise of McCain and the Democratic candidates is included in a Washington Examiner “power profile” of Talbott by Patty Reinert, who was apparently unaware that Talbott’s improper dealings with Russian officials while he was in the Clinton Administration are detailed in the explosive new book, Comrade J. Based on the revelations of a top Russian spy, Sergei Tretyakov, the book charges that Talbott was a trusted contact of the Russian intelligence service and that his close relationship with a Russian official alarmed the FBI.

The major media’s failure to report on Tretyakov’s blockbuster charges against Talbott is why the Reinert puff piece could be published in the first place. This disgraceful piece of journalism quotes a close Talbott friend, New York Times reporter Steven Weisman, as saying, “There’s just a sweetness about him. Strobe is sweet.”

This is what passes for scrutiny into someone who is at the center of one of the biggest State Department scandals in history and continues to have a major influence on the development of U.S. foreign policy.

Another of Talbott’s close friends, named in the article, is Walter Isaacson of the Aspen Institute and formerly of Time magazine. It was at Time that Talbott penned a column promoting world government as the solution to mankind’s problems. Talbott and his parents were members of the World Federalist Movement. They believe U.S. sovereignty should be submerged into a world federation. It is shocking that someone with these views could become a top State Department official. But Talbott and Bill Clinton were close friends and Rhodes Scholars together. Talbott’s main booster in the U.S. Senate was Republican Senator Richard Lugar, another Rhodes Scholar.

Talbott, now head of the liberal Brookings Institution, “expects Brookings’ scholars to play a significant role in shaping America’s next move on the world stage, whether the next president is Republican or Democrat,” the Examiner article reveals.

If John McCain wants to reassure conservatives about his candidacy, he should issue a statement saying he will have nothing to do with Talbott if or when he becomes president. To his credit, McCain voted against Talbott when he was up for high-level positions in the Clinton State Department and called his views on the old Soviet Union naïve and foolish. But Talbott has apparently forgotten about all of this and now wants and expects to have major influence on a McCain presidency.

Talbott has written his own book, The Great Experiment, outlining his vision of a New World Order in which the authority of global institutions like the United Nations is greatly enhanced and expanded. For his part, McCain has proposed a new “Global Order of Peace,” enforced by a “global League of Democracies.” Both visions should be examined in detail.

Talbott, a foreign policy adviser to Hillary Clinton who has praised Barack Obama’s views on global issues, has an obvious disagreement with McCain about how long to stay in Iraq. But their views on other international matters seem to converge.

Talbott’s Brookings Institution has sponsored appearances by Talbott’s good friend, Senator Lugar, in order to promote Senate ratification of the U.N.’s Law of the Sea Treaty. McCain had supported the treaty before he told conservative bloggers last year, when he was running for president and trying to garner conservative support, that he was against it. Since then, his Senate office has told constituents that he supports the pact but will approach ratification with an open mind.

The Washington Times reports that, during recent remarks to the conservative Council for National Policy (CNP), McCain was again ambiguous. According to the Times, in its account of his CNP remarks, “On the proposed Law of the Seas [sic] Treaty that President Bush supports and that conservatives generally oppose, Mr. McCain split the difference, saying the treaty as proposed surrenders ‘way too much’ of America’s sovereignty, but it needs to be renegotiated because international law needs ‘coherence’ in this area.”

You can listen to McCain’s remarks here. The transcript shows that McCain was asked for his clear and unequivocal position and that he replied: “I think it has to be renegotiated. I think there’s some vulnerabilities associated with it. I think all of us would like to see coherence as some countries claim three miles [as a territorial limit], some 200 miles, some etc. Clearly, there has to be some coherence. But I’m afraid that this treaty gives up too much of America’s sovereignty…”

Interrupted by applause at this point, McCain said, “I’m glad to hear your response but I think you would agree that some coherence concerning the use of the oceans, the seas, etc. is a good thing. It’s just that this isn’t the right solution to it.”

His latest position seems to be that he wants the treaty changed. It leaves him some wiggle room to vote for the pact if it is amended in some way. This won’t be enough to satisfy security-minded conservatives, who want it rejected outright. The pact turns oil, gas and mineral resources over to a U.N. body known as the International Seabed Authority and would subject the actions of the U.S. Navy to second-guessing by nations filing claims before an International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea.

On another critical issue, McCain has emerged as a vocal proponent of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), despite the fact that one of its major supporters, Robert A. Pastor, admits that, in one key respect, it has been a colossal failure.

Pastor, a Democrat who runs the Center for North American Studies at American University, says that NAFTA has resulted in economic integration and increased trade but has “fueled immigration by encouraging foreign investment near the U.S.-Mexican border, which in turn serves as a magnet for workers in central and southern Mexico.” He says that many of the Mexicans who don’t find jobs in northern Mexico are coming into the U.S. Hence, he admits, our illegal immigration problem is being exacerbated by NAFTA.

Pastor, who has advised every Democratic presidential candidate since 1976, proposes to “fix” NAFTA through a $200-billion North American Investment Fund “to close the income gap between Mexico and its northern neighbors, because that is the only way to stop immigration and establish a community.” In other words, we pay them to stay home. Pastor opposes a border fence to keep them out.

Pastor’s “community” is the “North American Community,” in which the three countries have a common security perimeter, a common external tariff, and “North American institutions” to work on such issues as transportation, infrastructure and education. Critics think that, with good reason, this amounts to a proposed North American Union. The Bush Administration’s secretive Security & Prosperity Partnership (SPP) is facilitating this process and Mexican trucks are now traveling over U.S. highways, supposedly in compliance with NAFTA, despite a Congressional vote against such a program.

McCain has not spoken out against any of this. What’s more, the use of Dr. Juan Hernandez as his Hispanic outreach director speaks volumes. Hernandez ran the Office for Mexicans Abroad in the Mexican government of Vicente Fox. His book, The New American Pioneers: Why Are We Afraid of Mexican Immigrants?, praises Pastor’s financial bailout plan for Mexico.

The Democrats’ threat to withdraw from the pact is designed to force changes in the agreement so that it covers matters involving environmental protection and worker rights. This would, of course, lead to the specter of Pastor’s “North American institutions” interfering in even more of the domestic and social affairs of the three NAFTA nations.

For his part, McCain’s blanket support of NAFTA is consistent with his previous advocacy of accommodating the demands of illegal aliens through what is called “comprehensive immigration reform.” His foreign policy spokesman, Randy Scheunemann, has even been quoted as saying that Democratic calls to renegotiate NAFTA are “protectionist” and “unilateralist” and that it’s “cowboy diplomacy” to talk about “reopening an agreement that was passed over a decade ago with strong bipartisan support...”

But that is the point—it was an agreement, not a treaty, because President Clinton didn’t have the two-thirds necessary to get it passed in the Senate. He circumvented the constitutional process. As such, Congress can repeal it with simple majorities. That’s the issue the media should be covering.

The Democrats are correct that the U.S. can withdraw from it. Article 2205 of the agreement, “Withdrawal,” declares, “A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.”

But McCain is now insisting that NAFTA cannot be rejected because it is necessary to win the global war on terror. At a campaign event at the headquarters of the Dell computer company in Round Rock, Texas, McCain said that we need the agreement so Canada will keep its troops in Afghanistan.

McCain said, “We need our Canadian friends and we need their continued support in Afghanistan. So what do we do? The two Democratic candidates for president say that they’re going to unilaterally abrogate the North America Free Trade Agreement. Our biggest trading partner, they made a solemn agreement with, they’re going to unilaterally abrogate that. Now how do you think the Canadian people are going to react to that?’’

But the notion of this agreement, which was passed in 1993, being in any way “solemn” or connected to the war in Afghanistan is quite a stretch.

McCain makes the valid point that national security and trade issues are “interconnected with each other.” But the obvious connection between trade and security, in regard to NAFTA, lies in the fact that illegal aliens, including possible terrorists, are crossing the border from Mexico into the U.S.

Another Clinton initiative that McCain embraces is NATO expansion. Clinton transformed NATO from a defensive alliance against the Soviet empire into an offensive military force without submitting a new NATO treaty for ratification to the Senate. Nevertheless, McCain voted for Clinton’s war through NATO in the former Yugoslavia and now favors independence for Kosovo, a Serbian province, as an outcome of this illegal war. The war became illegal when the House refused to authorize it under the War Powers Act.

“The future of NATO lies not only in expanding its membership, transforming its mission, and deepening its commitments. It lies also in cooperating with states far from our shores,” says McCain. In a recent statement urging a new “Global Order of Peace,” McCain has called for a new “global League of Democracies—one that would have NATO members at its core—dedicated to the defense and advancement of global democratic principles.” McCain made his first pitch for such a new international organization in 2007 before the Hoover Institution at Stanford University in Stanford, California.

“It could act where the UN fails to act, to relieve human suffering in places like Darfur,” McCain says. “This League of Democracies would not supplant the United Nations or other international organizations. It would complement them,” he explains.

While it may sound good in theory, a “Democracy Coalition Project” was actually started in June of 2002 and it has been run by the political left, most of them former Clinton officials. Seed money and original sponsorship were provided by the George Soros-funded Open Society Institute. Key officials include Morton Halperin, the director of Soros’s Open Society Institute Washington office, and former Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who served as Strobe Talbott’s boss. Halperin also worked under Albright at State.

If McCain is promoting a Soros-funded project or idea, it would not be the first time. World Net Daily and others have noted evidence that McCain’s “Reform Institute” also received funds from Soros. Hernandez is a senior fellow there.

Could Soros, the billionaire financial manipulator, be in a position to call the shots no matter who is elected in the fall?

It is certainly relevant and significant that Talbott’s book The Great Experiment identifies Soros, one of the “visitors to my office” when he was in the Clinton State Department, as one of his advisers on issues like NATO. Talbott also thanks Soros in the acknowledgements section of his book.

Soros wrote Toward a New World Order: The Future of NATO, back in 1993. He figured that NATO could take on the military responsibilities of the New World Order until the U.N. was ready to do the job. It sounds a lot like the McCain plan.

No wonder Talbott is pleased with our “choices” this fall.


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1 posted on 03/13/2008 1:12:06 PM PDT by pissant
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To: calcowgirl; Calpernia

Ping


2 posted on 03/13/2008 1:12:34 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Where’s Duncan Hunter and our brokered convention!


3 posted on 03/13/2008 1:14:14 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

They probably wouldn’t even invite such a patriot to the convention.


4 posted on 03/13/2008 1:16:38 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
"It’s not the kind of endorsement that a Republican presidential candidate should welcome. "

But McCain will have no problem with it.

5 posted on 03/13/2008 1:17:15 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: pissant

Yes. There’s really no one to vote for.


6 posted on 03/13/2008 1:18:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: isrul

Considering that he was happy to take Soro’s money for his Reform Institute, I don’t think you’ll hear him complain.


7 posted on 03/13/2008 1:18:24 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Why wouldn't Soros be happy with McCain? He's had that liberal "maverick" in his back pocket for years.
8 posted on 03/13/2008 1:20:26 PM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: avacado
Conservatives need to lay siege to the convention. Protest, raise hell. Make sure that these RINOS understand that the price paid for nominating this darling of the left is defeat. Nominate him and we will not elect him.
9 posted on 03/13/2008 1:20:55 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: pissant

Actually, Soros is backing every horse left in the race.

So the election is over, and we lost. The only question left is, how bad is it.


10 posted on 03/13/2008 1:26:05 PM PDT by marron
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To: pissant

Listening to Strobe Talbot’s opinion on politics is like listening to Al Gore on global warming, or Dan Rather on journalistic integrity. Oops, we already do that. Sorry.


11 posted on 03/13/2008 1:27:00 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: isrul; pissant
"Conservatives need to lay siege to the convention. Protest, raise hell. Make sure that these RINOS understand that the price paid for nominating this darling of the left is defeat. Nominate him and we will not elect him."

The Soros connection has me unnerved. I could hold my nose through most of McCain's liberalism because we do need a Commander in Chief who understands Islamic extremists but the Soros thing has me very disturbed.

WTF are we gonna do!!! Is it time for the 2nd Amendment to bear fruit and a well regulated milita lay seige to the convention?

*note: to the FBI, CIA, NSA, that last sentence was in jest.

12 posted on 03/13/2008 1:27:57 PM PDT by avacado
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To: pissant

And no one asked for these candidates. They have been forced on us.


13 posted on 03/13/2008 1:28:50 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

What would you call A govt based on the press...mediacracy?


14 posted on 03/13/2008 1:30:45 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: pissant

This is a win-win election for Socialists. There isn’t a downside for the UN first crowd. McCain is one of them, and he is the new face of conservatism in America. They are laughing at us, as well they should be.


15 posted on 03/13/2008 1:34:30 PM PDT by pallis
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To: pissant

That Strobe Talbott is a very frightening fellow. We are in trouble.


16 posted on 03/13/2008 1:42:59 PM PDT by Augustinian monk (Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin - Romans 4:8)
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To: Crim

A demosiographocracy.


17 posted on 03/13/2008 1:45:13 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: avacado; pissant

No matter what happens, I will not vote for Juan McCain. Writing in Duncan Hunter to insure a good nights sleep!


18 posted on 03/13/2008 1:46:47 PM PDT by panaxanax (Hey Duncan, your country needs you now more than ever. Please call home!)
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To: pissant

We’re gonna be stuck with a leftwing crazy.
Pick any one of the three—ye get the same result.
Pick none.


19 posted on 03/13/2008 1:46:47 PM PDT by Flintlock (that)
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To: pissant

We’re doomed!


20 posted on 03/13/2008 1:47:58 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: pissant

“Can our media stop talking about race, sex and gender long enough to examine whether the American people will be given a choice or an echo on foreign policy issues this November?”

Um,no. The focus on race and other non-issues is precisely to stay AWAY from the bare facts of the contest in 2008.

The bare facts are that Obama is an inexperienced, unaccomplished junior Senator with a left-liberal track record and an association through his life with leftwingers and anti-American radicals as mentors, advisors and allies. He is extreme on many issues, from abortion (against protecting even ‘born alive’ infants), immigration (for drivers licenses for illegals, for amnesty, for chain migration), gays (for gays in military openly serving), judges (for judicial activists), taxes (against tax cuts and for repealing Bush tax cuts), spending (huge spending promises), Israel (anti-Israel/pro-palestinian advisors who say we should talk to Hamas), Iraq (withdraw now, and let US get defeated), etc. National journal rated him the most liberal senator in the US Senate.

Obama is a fully a man of the left, who is using political skill to run more centrist and is using he race card to foil attempts to expose the difference between his rhetoric and his reality.


21 posted on 03/13/2008 1:50:47 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: panaxanax
"No matter what happens, I will not vote for Juan McCain. Writing in Duncan Hunter to insure a good nights sleep!"

Unfortunately mathematics is at play with your reasoning and you'll simply aid and abet either a Hillary or Obama presidency.

22 posted on 03/13/2008 1:51:46 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

I don’t see a problem with that. Let them get the blame as America crumbles under the weight of gigantic government.


23 posted on 03/13/2008 1:54:47 PM PDT by Bull Market (I will not vote for John McCain. Hillary's my girl!)
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To: isrul

90% of Republicans are for McCain in the general. I’ll certainly vote for him. Rather than protest like leftwingers, and create a worse situation, we need to think about positive things that can be done to advance conservative candidates. I suggest instead of opposing a done-deal (McCain) just ignore him (let the RINOs help get him elected, he’s *their* candidate, and hold your nose on election day) and instead find one of the many conservative Republicans in need of help and help one of them.

The bare facts of this race is that a moderate-to-slightly-conservative AZ Senator former war hero is facing off against the most left-wing nominee in our nation’s history.

The bare facts are that Obama is an inexperienced, unaccomplished junior Senator with a left-liberal track record and an association through his life with leftwingers and anti-American radicals as mentors, advisors and allies. He is extreme on many issues, from abortion (against protecting even ‘born alive’ infants), immigration (for drivers licenses for illegals, for amnesty, for chain migration), gays (for gays in military openly serving), judges (for judicial activists), taxes (against tax cuts and for repealing Bush tax cuts), spending (huge spending promises), Israel (anti-Israel/pro-palestinian advisors who say we should talk to Hamas), Iraq (withdraw now, and let US get defeated), etc. National journal rated him the most liberal senator in the US Senate.

Obama is a fully a man of the left, who is using political skill to run more centrist and is using he race card to foil attempts to expose the difference between his rhetoric and his reality.

If you think letting McCain go down to defeat to Obama will help the conservative movement, you are nuts. There is a so-so choice, and there is a horrible/terrible choice. I’ll take the so-so guy.


24 posted on 03/13/2008 1:56:35 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: Bull Market
"I don’t see a problem with that. Let them get the blame as America crumbles under the weight of gigantic government."

If we were not at war that might be an option but we are at war and there is no way I can sit back and allow either Hillary of Obama to become Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces. And no way do I want either of those two bozos appointing Supreme Court Justices. That would take 30-40 years to repair. And I don't what those clowns near my wallet either.

25 posted on 03/13/2008 1:58:49 PM PDT by avacado
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To: pissant
the World Federalist Movement. They believe U.S. sovereignty should be submerged into a world federation.

When people say they are a "Federalist," or preach "Federalism" as a good thing, every thinking person should ask what they mean by the term.

26 posted on 03/13/2008 2:09:07 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: isrul

Methinks you can be more effective in New York in looking at some of the Congressional races and focus on defeating the party of Nancy Pelosi.

Democrats are set to RAISE TAXES BY $1 TRILLION in the next 4 years:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1985126/posts?page=2#14


27 posted on 03/13/2008 2:10:15 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; Czar; AuntB; CAluvdubya; Travis McGee; indylindy; ...

Ping to article


28 posted on 03/13/2008 2:13:30 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: avacado

Even if we are not at war ... the Democrats are sending this country headlong into a recession/depression. They are set to repeal the Bush tax cuts that gave us 8 million jobs and ramp up spending even more, even after the spending spree that we have had for the past few years. They have imposes windfall taxes on oil companies, are berating CEOs and want to regulate things to death.

Democrats are increasing regulations, and they are eager for more giveaways of the welfare variety - such as Obama’s program to help people stay in homes they cant afford. hmmm, isnt that just another name for welfare?

so the country will have huge setbacks in the GWOT and in the economy if we let the Democrats run everything ... but we will have shown the RINOs a lesson. Not sure it will even be remembered, the next 10 year could be repeat of what happened under FDR - a Democrat majority mismanaging us through depression. Ha!


29 posted on 03/13/2008 2:14:41 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: WOSG

Those tax cuts reduced the federal income tax rate and gave me $4K cash back in my pocket per year. I will not vote for them to be in the Whitehouse... ever.


30 posted on 03/13/2008 2:16:47 PM PDT by avacado
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To: WOSG
I said nothing about letting McCain go down to defeat in November. That's a given.

He doesn't fear a Hillary or Obama in the White House as yo do. He will not wage an aggressive campaign against either one of them. He's too self righteous and sanctimonious. He'll shuffle along to defeat with his phony senate collegiality.

conservatives seem always too afraid to cause any ruckus. That's why they have become spit buckets for people like McCain.

Unless conservatives rise up and make it clear they will not elect McCain, his certain defeat will be blamed n them. They will be cleansed from any part of the Republican power structure. The same would result if McCain won.

So the RINOS get you either way. Turning to McCain for salvation is totally senseless.

Just one other thing. Where did you come yup with 90% support for McCain in the election? The way he attacks and repudiates Republican supporters, that simply not possible unless Republicans are not sane.

31 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:13 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: WOSG
I said nothing about letting McCain go down to defeat in November. That's a given.

He doesn't fear a Hillary or Obama in the White House as yo do. He will not wage an aggressive campaign against either one of them. He's too self righteous and sanctimonious. He'll shuffle along to defeat with his phony senate collegiality.

conservatives seem always too afraid to cause any ruckus. That's why they have become spit buckets for people like McCain.

Unless conservatives rise up and make it clear they will not elect McCain, his certain defeat will be blamed n them. They will be cleansed from any part of the Republican power structure. The same would result if McCain won.

So the RINOS get you either way. Turning to McCain for salvation is totally senseless.

Just one other thing. Where did you come yup with 90% support for McCain in the election? The way he attacks and repudiates Republican supporters, that simply not possible unless Republicans are not sane.

32 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:23 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: pissant
[ 'Houston, we have a problem': Strobe Talbott and George Soros are pleased with all the candidates]

Unfortunately any that vote for any of the three candidates have no idea who George or Strobe are.. If they do they are not voting any of those three.. Strobe is not a Marxist he is a Maoist.. George of course is a Stalinist..

33 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:36 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: pissant

What a nightmare of an election year.


34 posted on 03/13/2008 2:19:44 PM PDT by Allegra (Posting without being logged on since 2001)
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To: WOSG
There are no Republicans in NY. Maybe a few RINOS but the rest are bona fide leftists who sometimes get the endorsement of the Liberal party. sometimes A candidate gets endorsed by both the Liberal and Conservative party.

In NY we know what decades of compromise has wrought.

35 posted on 03/13/2008 2:25:49 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: pissant
In a recent statement urging a new “Global Order of Peace,” McCain has called for a new “global League of Democracies—one that would have NATO members at its core—dedicated to the defense and advancement of global democratic principles.” McCain made his first pitch for such a new international organization in 2007

So, Soros wants a "New World Order" and McCain wants a "New Global Order."

What's the dif?

36 posted on 03/13/2008 2:29:54 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wideawake

There’s a word that would give people a neologasm.


37 posted on 03/13/2008 2:33:10 PM PDT by Borges
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To: calcowgirl
So in addition to his many other faults and failures, it now appears incontrovertible that McCain is an internationalist New World Order enthusiast who, if elected, would piss away American sovereignty in the interest of abortions like the Law of the Sea Treaty, installing the NAU, and generally kissing the UN's ass whenever possible.

Sure I'll vote for him.

This arrogant little weasel is every bit as bad and potentially just as dangerous as the two Rat candidates.

38 posted on 03/13/2008 2:35:59 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: isrul

“I said nothing about letting McCain go down to defeat in November. That’s a given.”

By who??? SurveyUSA 50-state polls, which shows neither Democrat beating McCain at the moment (Hillary v. McCain, toss-up; Obama v. McCain, slight lean to McCain.)

This will be a close race perhaps, and you could effectively ‘throw’ the election to Obama, the left-liberal.

“Turning to McCain for salvation is totally senseless.”

Dont blame me, I wasnt among the 5 million or so GOP primary voters who went for him. Its a big disappointment.
Like some others, you confuse the general election with the primary election. We lost the opportunity to nominate a conservative. We cannot ‘make up’ for that loss by throwing the whole country into the clutches of a far-left President (Obama) and a Democrat Congress.

The best way to win back the party for the conservatives is to SUPPORT conservatives running for Congress, local races, in primaries etc. If you really think your local Reps are RINOs, go ahead and run against them. we knocked off a RINO in Maryland last month, I am sure some of the New York RINOs can be knocked off too if conservatives get together and work at it.

“Just one other thing. Where did you come yup with 90% support for McCain in the election? “ Polls. Look at Survey USA and other polls. On the one hand there is a polling number like 40% say McCain is not conservative enough, but still most will support him. Experience; leadership; better positions than the left-liberal Obama.


39 posted on 03/13/2008 2:38:12 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: WOSG
Your ignoring the fact that McCain is not a serious candidate. He's too full of himself and the phony senate collegiality that comes across as self righteous sanctimony. Throughout the campaign he will be more hostile to his supporters than he ever will be to his “opponent”. For some reason, this collegiality, though phony, does not extend to Republicans in general and conservatives n particular. He does not share your fear of RATS either Obama or Hillary. He just doesn't. He seems to kind of like them.

But if that's all acceptable to you. I wish you well.

40 posted on 03/13/2008 2:46:47 PM PDT by isrul (Help make koranimals an endangered species)
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To: Czar

That pretty well sums it up (along with global warming, of course).


41 posted on 03/13/2008 2:53:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: isrul

“Your ignoring the fact that McCain is not a serious candidate. “

??? You are ignoring the fact that he won. He is ipso facto a serious candidate. whether he will fall on his face like Dole in 1996 or be more hammer-and-tong defeat-the-lib like GHWBush was in 1988, I do not know. Dont assume he wont try though.


42 posted on 03/13/2008 3:17:38 PM PDT by WOSG (William F Buckley: A great conservative, may he rest in peace.)
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To: pissant
I am sure the stock market, subprime, dollar going down mess is due to Soros manipulation. That S.O.B. needs to be extradited to France to stand trial and have his @$$ be thrown in prison for a long time. And... Have his assets confiscated to pay those people who got screwed by his manipulations.
43 posted on 03/13/2008 4:05:08 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: avacado

“...you’ll simply aid and abet either a Hillary or Obama presidency.”

Sorry avacado, but that mantra is about worn itself out. A vote for McCain is a submission to the RINO PARTY (formally called the Republican Party). All three of the choices are the same, GLOBALIST NEW WORLD ORDER SOCIALISTS! I’ll not be a part of electing any of them and marching America to her doom.


44 posted on 03/13/2008 5:19:11 PM PDT by panaxanax (Hey Duncan, your country needs you now more than ever. Please call home!)
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To: avacado
Unfortunately mathematics is at play with your reasoning and you'll simply aid and abet either a Hillary or Obama presidency.

Give me a break. One's non-vote for McCain does not equate a vote, de-facto or otherwise, for Hillary/Obama.

There's already talk of McCain selecting FL Governor Crist for VP. He's touring Europe and the Middle East with Lieberman and Lindsey Graham, peddling the global-warming BS.

45 posted on 03/13/2008 5:23:42 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: WOSG
You are ignoring the fact that he won.

He won because liberals and independents crossed over to vote for him. Then you had Huckster splitting the evanglicals, which left the real mainstream Republicans like Thompson out to dry.

Once Thompson entered the race, McCain should have had the good sense to withdraw and endorse him, since Thompson endorsed McCain in 2000. Some friend, eh?

46 posted on 03/13/2008 5:26:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: WOSG

“I’ll certainly vote for him. Rather than protest like leftwingers, and create a worse situation, we need to think about positive things that can be done to advance conservative candidates.”

I would like to politely point out that one does not advance the cause of conservatism by electing socialists with an “R” at the end of their name.


47 posted on 03/13/2008 6:56:34 PM PDT by Grunthor (I have no representative government, I am a conservative.)
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To: pissant; B4Ranch; CodeToad; Eaker; hiredhand; river rat

We are so screwed.


48 posted on 03/13/2008 6:58:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
We've been screwed for a long time. It's just easier for most people to realize now. But I do agree. We ARE screwed.
49 posted on 03/13/2008 7:14:44 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: hiredhand

Just think, millions of people who feel that way, with scoped deer rifles.


50 posted on 03/13/2008 7:25:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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