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Ships, trains told to become cleaner (EPA to announce new stronger pollution controls)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 3/14/08 | H. Josef Hebert - ap

Posted on 03/14/2008 10:02:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The Environmental Protection Agency is announcing strong new pollution controls on the nation's locomotives, ships and passenger ferries.

They will have to cut soot by 90 percent and smog-causing chemical releases by 80 percent over the next six to seven years through technology improvements in locomotive and ship diesel engines.

Those engines often operate for decades. The pollution improvements would be required of new engines as well as old when they are overhauled.

The Associated Press has learned that EPA will announce the new requirements Friday in Washington.

These requirements would be in addition to regulations already in place for phasing in low-sulfur diesel fuel.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cleaner; energy; epa; pollution; ships; trains

1 posted on 03/14/2008 10:02:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Why in the F#$K do these people insist on tightening regulations NOW??? WE CAN’T AFFORD YOU IDIOTS!!! Are you trying to drive every last job out of the country?


2 posted on 03/14/2008 10:11:55 AM PDT by lesser_satan
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To: Red Badger

Because the rising prices for Highway (Road) Diesel wasn’t enough...


3 posted on 03/14/2008 10:12:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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National Clean Diesel Campaign
http://www.epa.gov/diesel/


4 posted on 03/14/2008 10:13:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NormsRevenge

Specifics for those interested:

Final Rule: Control of Emissions of Air Pollution from Locomotive Engines and Marine Compression-Ignition Engines
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/marine.htm
March 14, 2008


5 posted on 03/14/2008 10:14:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanks!


6 posted on 03/14/2008 10:20:51 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let just give up now and live in grass huts....the EPA, congress both Dim presidential candidates are all traitors....

and unfortunately McLame agrees with all this Bovine Scat.


7 posted on 03/14/2008 10:20:52 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: thackney

Next they’re coming after your lawnmower and weed eater, and don’t even think about that new chainsaw.......


8 posted on 03/14/2008 10:22:23 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: thackney

From the National Clean Diesel Campaign web-site:

“Emerging Technology List
At this time there are no technologies that meet the emerging technology qualifications.”

So, there are no approved technologies but you will meet the new standards and you will pay fines for noncompliance.


9 posted on 03/14/2008 10:25:35 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Red Badger

10 posted on 03/14/2008 10:28:14 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shove_it
The key word is emerging. There are some existing acceptable choice for them.


11 posted on 03/14/2008 10:32:38 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NormsRevenge
This is just nuts. Ships operate at sea. There is *no* air pollution problem at sea, because there are *no* mountains to concentrate the air pollutants in one place. This is simply nuts. The cost will be enormous!
12 posted on 03/14/2008 10:36:13 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: thackney
Those mules are not equipped with suitable CO2 emission control devices. Pay up, comrade.
13 posted on 03/14/2008 10:42:39 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: NormsRevenge

“...... nation’s locomotives, ships and passenger ferries. “

Shut it down!!! Shut the entire thing down and see how these traitors like what they end up with. Let them see how the American people respond when these jobs are ALL gone.

It’s far past the time to play hardball with these corrupt bastards.

Enough of this death of our country by a thousand cuts.....


14 posted on 03/14/2008 10:43:04 AM PDT by Gator113 (Serve your country today, fire a democrat.)
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To: shove_it

CO2 is the least of the emmission problem created by the mules.


15 posted on 03/14/2008 10:43:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

That too.
:o)


16 posted on 03/14/2008 10:45:56 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: NormsRevenge

I will take exception to the thrust of this thread, because I know that foreign ships are a major, major contribtor to pollution in So.CA. Long Beach, CA accepts 40% of all shipped US goods, and filthy foriegn flagged ships belch a huge amount of pollution there.

There is room for improvement in maritime laws, all the way around. Flag nations like Nigeria need to have their ships reigned in.


17 posted on 03/14/2008 11:10:37 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Ships, trains told to become cleaner


18 posted on 03/14/2008 11:13:23 AM PDT by frithguild (I hope for change when I give cash to the Man - but all I ever get is nickels and dimes.)
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To: Wiseghy
because I know that foreign ships are a major, major contribtor to pollution in So.CA

How many cars and trucks versus the number of ships move each day in Souther CA? In terms of fuel consumed or energy used, I suspect ships isn't even in the margin of error in comparison to land vehicles.

19 posted on 03/14/2008 11:14:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Perhaps another FReeper can find the stats on this.

Some huge percentage of So. Cal air pollution is due to Long Beach alone. 20%-30% maybe?

Cars in CA are now very clean, while shipping has never changed.

In terms of marginal costs, which Enviros never consider, this should have been addressed long ago.


20 posted on 03/14/2008 11:21:55 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Red Badger

http://www.mindfully.org/Air/Lawn-Mower-Pollution.htm


21 posted on 03/14/2008 11:25:34 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: marktwain

You’re missing one important new fact that relates only to pollutants; what goes up never comes down.


22 posted on 03/14/2008 11:27:45 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Wiseghy
Some huge percentage of So. Cal air pollution is due to Long Beach alone. 20%-30% maybe?

B.S.

while shipping has never changed

Wrong.

Emmission standards for commercial vessels has had several increases in standards over the last decade.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/marine.htm

By the way, in terms of miles of travel by ships, Long Beach is #9. Ports in Texas and Lousiana are all the top eight except #3 of New York.

Commercial Marine Activity for Deep Sea Ports in the United States
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/nonrdmdl/c-marine/r99020.pdf
Table 2-4, Top 95 Deep-Sea Ports, trips by ship
Page 2-7

23 posted on 03/14/2008 11:33:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Thanks. I heard about this on the radio while driving back home today and was looking for the complete package.
As usual, I found it here on FR...

Is this the end of heavy oil in bunkers ?

24 posted on 03/14/2008 1:17:56 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The little I understand of the latest rule change is a reduction of the particulates and NOx permitted in the exhaust. I suspect it will effect engine manufactures more than fuel.

The lower sulfur requirement was passed earlier and is being phased in.

25 posted on 03/14/2008 1:52:45 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
The soot issue suggests they may be targeting N6 oil, used in most of the big ocean ships and on the Great Lakes. I saw a study by PIRA that suggested the world does not have enough diesel fuel to replace all the residual oil now going into the shipping industry as motor fuel.
On the sulfur issue, if the ships run ULSD, what are they going to use to replace the lubricant that sulfur imparted to these big engines ? A pal at one of the shipping lines suggested "sulfur pellets" which would be dropped in the bunker, every few hours...
26 posted on 03/14/2008 1:57:59 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I saw a study by PIRA that suggested the world does not have enough diesel fuel to replace all the residual oil now going into the shipping industry as motor fuel.

Perhaps technology like the Chevron pilot plant at Pascagoula could be used to convert the residual oil to diesel fuel, using the same volume of hydrocarbons but broken down to smaller chains.

27 posted on 03/14/2008 3:14:13 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Noooooo ! My bread and butter is in those heavy hydrocarbons.
28 posted on 03/15/2008 5:43:12 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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