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Muslim world at the crossroads (BARF alert)
The Post (Pakistan) ^ | 03/14/08 | Nazia Nazar

Posted on 03/14/2008 12:09:28 PM PDT by DFG

Today the Muslim world is at the crossroads. On the one hand, Muslims are the victim of suppression, deprivation and violence in many parts of the world, while on the other hand Islam is being maligned under the garb of freedom of expression. From the Danish cartoon controversy to Pope Benedict’s controversial remarks against Islam to the matter of Salman Rushdie’s knighthood, the target of the Western propaganda is Islam. To make matters worse, a Dutch politician is releasing a controversial documentary on the Holy Quran. Such evil acts provoke Muslims throughout the world to retaliate, in this way they sometimes fall into the trap of extremists, who use them according to their own whims.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cartoons; islam; islamicpropaganda
"This committee should invite major non-Muslim scholars from all over the world to start an inter-faith dialogue with a view to emphasising the need for harmony among different religions and abandoning ways and means that pollute this atmosphere."

Would this include Jews?

1 posted on 03/14/2008 12:09:29 PM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

I’d be wary of being invited to meeting with Muslim leaders. You may not leave with your head in the right place.


2 posted on 03/14/2008 12:17:05 PM PDT by ScratInTheHat (Don't like my immigration stance? I'm dyslexic. PC keeps sounding like BS to me!)
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To: DFG

“On the one hand, Muslims are the victim of suppression, deprivation and violence in many parts of the world, while on the other hand Islam is being maligned under the garb of freedom of expression.”

Like in Egypt, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan (except for the “freedom of expression” part which is reserved against the west and Israel).


3 posted on 03/14/2008 12:17:17 PM PDT by scory
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To: DFG
"On the one hand, Muslims are the victim of suppression, deprivation and violence in many parts of the world, while on the other hand Islam is being maligned under the garb of freedom of expression."

Aren't those the same hand? The one you use, you know....

4 posted on 03/14/2008 12:25:15 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (New York Times Endorsed!!!)
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To: DFG
From this front, the Muslims could also demand to frame an international law against the defamation of all religious figures, including the Holy Prophet (PBUH).

Yeah right. I guess you can call this the freedom from speech clause.

Go suck an egg! Welcome to the world! It's not the freakin 14th century!

5 posted on 03/14/2008 12:25:48 PM PDT by ScratInTheHat (Don't like my immigration stance? I'm dyslexic. PC keeps sounding like BS to me!)
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To: DFG
Muslims are the victim of suppression, deprivation and violence...

Sure...by other Muslims.

Let's face it: "peaceful" Muslims are the Islamic fringe. The Islamofascists are the Islamic mainstream.

6 posted on 03/14/2008 12:28:36 PM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: DFG
To make matters worse, a Dutch politician is releasing a controversial documentary on the Holy Quran.

You don’t need a documentary on the koran and haddith. You just have to read it to understand Islam is a cult of death.

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,"Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

7 posted on 03/14/2008 12:34:39 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICTED)
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To: DFG
Let's see if I have this right:

a. Some Danish cartoons

b. A remark by a Pope

c. An author who was Knighted

d. A controversial documentary

Such evil acts provoke Muslims throughout the world to retaliate...

So some cartoons and a documentary they don't like give Muslims the right to go around lopping peoples' heads off. Too bad your cult (it is not a religion) doesn't teach tolerance.

8 posted on 03/14/2008 12:39:07 PM PDT by econjack
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To: DFG

They’ve been standing at these crossroads for over 1600 years.


9 posted on 03/14/2008 12:41:50 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: tobyhill

Ani-mals are ani-mals! They know how they should act to join the world community and they refuse and rather subject there brothers and sisters to death, dispair and destruction. Have a nice life!


10 posted on 03/14/2008 1:09:14 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: DFG
On the one hand, Muslims are the victim of suppression, deprivation and violence in many parts of the world, while on the other hand Islam is being maligned under the garb of freedom of expression.

On the one hand, Muslims are victims, while on the other hand, Muslims are victims.

This guy shows the typical Muslim capacity to see both sides.

11 posted on 03/14/2008 1:12:28 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: tobyhill

Sorry, no.

They stood at the crossroads, chose the wrongest path, and are treading it for over 1600 years.


12 posted on 03/14/2008 1:15:19 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

It’s not a guy.

More accurately, it’s a bitch.


13 posted on 03/14/2008 1:16:39 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

14 posted on 03/14/2008 1:19:37 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: econjack
Too bad your cult (it is not a religion) doesn't teach tolerance.

But it does teach forgiveness, in a loving and peaceful way.

The example of Mohamed on adultery Sahih Muslim, Book 17: 4206

There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her.Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.

And now contrast that peaceful religion with the hateful Christianity :

The example of Jesus on adultery (John 8:1-11)

But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

15 posted on 03/14/2008 1:22:18 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICTED)
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To: DFG
"On the one hand, Muslims are the victim of suppression, deprivation and violence in many parts of the world, while on the other hand Islam is being maligned under the garb of freedom of expression"
Indeed many Muslims are the victims of suppression, deprivation and violence. Unfortunately it mostly comes from their leaders or other Muslims.
This situation has been ongoing for many decades.
“maligned under the “garb” of freedom of expression.
Stated as only a person that has no real understanding of freedom could.
16 posted on 03/14/2008 1:43:00 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Patriot Guard Riders - Standing for those that stood for us.)
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To: Digital Sniper
I have a perfect example of "peaceful" Muslims for today...I started my day out with a phone call to my cell phone from a boy named Mohammad. His only comment when I answered my phone was "I'm going to kill you". I got spooked, hung up and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he called my number 4 more times. I'm glad they found out who is was...but it really scared me.
17 posted on 03/14/2008 2:10:05 PM PDT by trussell
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To: trussell
Good grief! Glad your local police got on the case so quickly. That had to have been a serious creep-out indeed.

I had one nutjob pull a number like that on me back when I was single. The screwhead obviously never heard of caller ID, 'cause he was unnerved when I called him back, read off his name, address, and his DMV record. Told him if I ever heard of him doing something like that again, I would personally rain lead and fire down upon him.

Good times... :-)

18 posted on 03/14/2008 2:22:38 PM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: DFG

“Muslims are the victim of suppression, deprivation and violence in many parts of the world, while on the other hand Islam is being maligned under the garb of freedom of expression.”
I would submit to you that the suppression, deprivation and violence falling on Muslims are coming at the hand of other Muslims, in far greater degree than from any other social, politicial, or religious organization.

“It is an established fact that the sanctity of Islam and its most revered personality – Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) – is the most sensitive topic for the Muslim world, which can trigger extreme reaction from all Muslims.”
Perhaps it’s time for the Muslim world to join the rest of the civilized world and...get a grip. Your ‘religion’ gives you absolutely NO right to attack others who may denigrate your belief system. Your intolerance being met by intolerance should come as NO surprise to you.

“Once the Muslims are united at the platform of the OIC, they could strive for a permanent membership in the UN on the basis that they form the second largest community of the world.”
Uh...WTF? Islam being touted as a ‘nation’? Sounds like another step toward the global caliphate, as espoused in the muzzie playbook, the quran, and pursued for 1400 years since the pedophile prophet suggested that Islam should rule the world. If this EVER happens in the UN, it will be time to dismantle that obsolete, useless organization at last.


19 posted on 03/14/2008 2:40:24 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Digital Sniper

This kid knows how to block the number from showing up...but the police were able to find out who it was. It really was scary...I just wanted to have my gun with me, but I have to get my CCW for here first. :(


20 posted on 03/14/2008 4:15:44 PM PDT by trussell
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To: DFG
Poll:

Do you think Islam is a serious threat to our Judeo-Christian heritage?

Scroll down to see poll question.

21 posted on 03/14/2008 8:18:39 PM PDT by JeepInMazar (http://www.truthformuslims.com)
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