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How McCain can win the base (McCain/Jindal'08)
The American Spectator ^ | 3/14/2008 | James P. Lucier

Posted on 03/15/2008 6:36:54 AM PDT by Neville72

Even as the Democratic presidential contest seems to be morphing into Dr. Doolittle's mythical beast with a head at each end, the pushmi-pullyu, John McCain has the chance to make a leisurely choice of potential running mates. But he had better not wait too long.

The spectacle of a third of voters in the Republican primaries in Texas and Ohio voting for the doomed candidacy of Mike Huckabee suggests strongly that McCain still hasn't won over the base of the Republican Party. It's a question of trust, but verify. As Hillary Clinton says of Barack Obama, one speech does not make up for her experience as a housewife at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Nor can one speech by McCain at CPAC win over a disgruntled base of folks who may very well stay home, as they did for G.H.W. Bush the second time and for Bob Dole. The base is looking for action, not words.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; gop; jindal; mccain; tas
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1 posted on 03/15/2008 6:36:56 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: Neville72

Jindal is too new as governor to be a V.P. contender.


2 posted on 03/15/2008 6:37:40 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Neville72
La needs Jindal more than we need McCain.

We need the House and Senate.

3 posted on 03/15/2008 6:40:36 AM PDT by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: Neville72
Dang, let the man be Governor for a while. He might become a great candidate someday, but right now, it is simply too early.
4 posted on 03/15/2008 6:40:52 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Theodore R.

Jindal has already said no and has praised Obama. It’s amazing that people (E.g Michael Steele) get praised here on FR without people really looking into these people thoroughly.


5 posted on 03/15/2008 6:40:55 AM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: Theodore R.

I agree. I don’t know what the fascination with unproven politicians is. Obama, Jindal, to a lesser extent the current gov of Alaska, Palin. They may all be effective leaders eventually but I believe they need to be judged on a record from many years of service, not their media quotient. It’s a pretty old fashioned idea, I know.


6 posted on 03/15/2008 6:46:19 AM PDT by saganite
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To: Neville72

McCain cannot win my vote under any circumstances.


7 posted on 03/15/2008 6:46:46 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: TommyDale

McCain cannot win my vote under any circumstances.

great...then choose your poison...the piaps or b. HUSSEIN...

juan mccain should choose jc watts or michael steele....both are excellent candidates and b. HUSSEIN’s blackness is nullified!!!!


8 posted on 03/15/2008 6:50:08 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Perdogg

“Jindal has already said no and has praised Obama.”

Nice smear. Praised Obama for what? You have a link for that.

Jindal is a no nonsense conservative who just pushed through the Louisiana legislature some historic tax breaks badly needed by the state’s businesses.

From today’s Times-Picayune:

“Lawmakers passed bills to eliminate a 1 percent sales tax that businesses pay on utilities, an estimated annual savings to Louisiana companies — as well as a loss of state revenue — of $69 million. They also passed an expedited phaseout of taxes on corporate debt and on manufacturing machinery and equipment. Those taxes were widely seen as burdens on companies that expand their operations, therefore placing Louisiana at a competitive disadvantage with other states.

“Our current tax code is the greatest gift we can give our neighboring states,” Jindal said of the business taxes that will be cut under the new laws.”

AND THIS from the same article:

House and Senate members struck a historic compromise Friday on a bill to create a state income tax deduction for 50 percent of the tuition paid for private school education, up to $5,000 per student. Home schooling parents also will get a deduction.

The deduction is a rare form of support for private school parents, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Eight states have some form of taxpayer-financed scholarships, and seven states offer a tax credit program for money placed in special education funds, but few offer the type of deduction that Louisiana’s Legislature just passed, according to the organization.


9 posted on 03/15/2008 6:51:40 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72

Here it is!

http://www.newshorn.com/forums/viewthread/20684/


10 posted on 03/15/2008 6:53:33 AM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: Neville72

Not a bad choice.


11 posted on 03/15/2008 6:55:04 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Neville72

The spectacle of a third of voters in the Republican primaries in Texas and Ohio voting for the doomed candidacy of Mike Huckabee suggests strongly that McCain still hasn’t won over the base of the Republican Party.


Apples and oranges when compared to the fall General election. Voting for a different candidate in the Republican primary is much different than voting for a different candidate in the General when that candidate will be Hillary or Obama....


12 posted on 03/15/2008 6:55:15 AM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Neville72

http://www.ktbs.com/news/-Jindal-shrugs-off-veep-talk-8911/


13 posted on 03/15/2008 6:55:28 AM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: Neville72

“Jindal praises Sen. McCain as a fiscal conservative and military hawk. But he also has praise for the Democrat candidates. He calls Sen. Barack Obama “inspirational.” And he says Senator Hillary Clinton struck him as “smart, capable and professional” when he testified before her committee as a south Louisiana congressman.

Other comments from Jindal give some explanation as to why he compliments the Democrats. Jindal has said he’ll need a good working relationship with whoever the next president is, as Louisiana continues its recovery from the 2005 hurricanes. “


14 posted on 03/15/2008 6:56:15 AM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: Neville72

I’m sure the folks of Louisiana would love Mitch Landrieu as Governor for the next 3 3/4 years if Jindal gets plucked away.

Mark Sanford for VP !


15 posted on 03/15/2008 7:00:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~***Just say NO to the "O"***~~~)
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To: Perdogg

Without seeing what Jindal said, I can’t judge him for his statements.

However, in general I think it is wrong to castigate politicians for saying nice things about other politicians. We have forgotten what it means to be civilized.


16 posted on 03/15/2008 7:00:39 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Neville72

How McCain can win the base

count on the Democrats to do it for him.


17 posted on 03/15/2008 7:02:42 AM PDT by Son House (Democrat High Tax Rates Suppress Opportunity and Jobs..)
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To: deport; Neville72

I agree that it isn’t that meaningful. If it was really “anti-McCain”, it would continue even after Huckabee dropped out.

But in the two contests since Huckabee left, McCain was near 80% of the primary vote.

BTW, in 2004, AFTER Kerry was the nominee, and in fact within a couple of weeks of their convention, A poll was taken asking which candidate democrats would rather have as President. Hillary Clinton BEAT John Kerry, 45% to 44%.

I thought THAT sounded a bit ominous for Kerry’s candidacy, but in the end he got the normal amount of democrat support in the general election.


18 posted on 03/15/2008 7:03:53 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Perdogg

Those statements are typical polite, civilized conversation. “Inspirational” is a pretty good description of Obama (realise it’s a description of perception, not whether what he says SHOULD be inspirational). And Hillary is smart, capable, and professional, at least as those terms would apply when saying nice things about people.

Remember “Mussilini made the trains run on time”. :-)

I think it’s a sad day when we attack people for trying to keep a civilized tongue and to relate as human beings to people who are our political adversaries.

It’s one of the things that McCain does that I do NOT fault him for.


19 posted on 03/15/2008 7:06:39 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Did I castigate him???????????? NO! All I said was let’s be careful.

I read of this belly aching here all the time about how there aren’t enough real “conservatives” yet people here tend to fall in love with people without really looking into that person and what they believe. They give certain people passes and hold other people to different standards. All I am saying is let’s be careful.


20 posted on 03/15/2008 7:07:19 AM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: Perdogg

That’s what I thought.

It’s nothing more than someone’s impressions of a CNN interview Jindal did.

No quotes of Jindal’s because that would demolish your implication that Jindal somehow supports Obama.

I campaigned for Bobby Jindal in 2003 and I can assure anybody that cares to ask that Bobby Jindal’s politics are the polar opposite of Barack Obama’s.


21 posted on 03/15/2008 7:09:58 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Perdogg
He calls Sen. Barack Obama “inspirational.” And he says Senator Hillary Clinton struck him as “smart, capable and professional” when he testified before her committee as a south Louisiana congressman.

Other comments from Jindal give some explanation as to why he compliments the Democrats. Jindal has said he’ll need a good working relationship with whoever the next president is, as Louisiana continues its recovery from the 2005 hurricanes. “


Obama... 'inspirational'..... Is that praise or an observation of how Obama impacts some people?

Clinton struck him as “smart, capable and professional” .... Is that praise or his view of how she was at the hearing?

Jindal has said he’ll need a good working relationship with whoever the next president is,.......... Damn, someone who realizes that our form of gov't isn't a dictatorship....

22 posted on 03/15/2008 7:14:20 AM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Neville72

Disagree. McCain will be a shoo-in to take La. without Lindal on ticket. He needs a strong pro-life, Thompson, type to firm up red state support.


23 posted on 03/15/2008 7:31:34 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: nyyankeefan
"great...then choose your poison...the piaps or b. HUSSEIN..."

Since when are we required to vote against our own principles?

24 posted on 03/15/2008 7:32:20 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"We have forgotten what it means to be civilized."

I miss our flame wars. ;-D

25 posted on 03/15/2008 7:32:45 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~***Just say NO to the "O"***~~~)
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To: TommyDale
DITTO! Under ANY circumstances......
26 posted on 03/15/2008 7:35:37 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....Viva El Presidente! "I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody the same.")
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To: Neville72

Jindal is a rising star. I would like him to prove himself as an executive in Louisiana before he does an Obama and runs for an office he’s not yet prepared for (being that close to the Presidency). If he does in Louisiana what we all think he’s capable of doing, he’ll be a formidable Republican.


27 posted on 03/15/2008 7:36:44 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: kenmcg

Just more losing plans for a losing party.....


28 posted on 03/15/2008 7:37:30 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....Viva El Presidente! "I'm not prejudice, I hate everybody the same.")
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To: nyyankeefan

Hey, don’t blame conservatives for not voting for a RINO. If that is a concern, the GOP should stick to their platform and principles. McCain violates that platform. Not to mention that he is a jerk.


29 posted on 03/15/2008 7:39:26 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: kenmcg

“McCain will be a shoo-in to take La. without Lindal on ticket”

(Sigh) No one said he’d need Jindal on the ticket to carry LA.

“He needs a strong pro-life, Thompson, type to firm up red state support.”

Jindal is a stronger “pro-life” candidate than Thompson and is more conservative than Thompson.


30 posted on 03/15/2008 7:39:47 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72
The spectacle of a third of voters in the Republican primaries in Texas and Ohio voting for the doomed candidacy of Mike Huckabee suggests strongly that McCain still hasn't won over the base of the Republican Party.

And heck, how many crossovers to Hillary too!!
31 posted on 03/15/2008 7:41:01 AM PDT by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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To: Neville72

It’s obvious how McCain can win the base but he won’t do it.


32 posted on 03/15/2008 7:44:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: nyyankeefan; TommyDale

You know, I for one was not ecstatic by any means for McCain. But I’m giving the man a chance. With each passing week, I learn more about the democratic candidates, and it comes down to this:

Do I dislike McCain so much that I would do something that would hurt my country ie let Obama or Hillary become president?

I will vote for McCain, and pray that he can win your vote, Tommy. In fact, I want him to work extra extra hard to do so, and for you to be tough. So that if he truly can win your vote then we know that we have a candidate.

It’s like this article says, “Trust but verify.”

nick


33 posted on 03/15/2008 7:56:16 AM PDT by nikos1121 (I'm voting for McCain...and fixin' to get excited about it.)
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To: Neville72

Your comments are very good, but as you can see about 50% of the FRs these days are extremely negative on just about everything and anything that has to do with McCain’s candidacy.

I love it when someone says, “I will not vote for McCAin under any circumstances.” Because I get to thinking, “then who are youy going to vote for, Hillary or Obama?”

It’s easy to be bull headed about elections. Let’s please give McCain a chance to win our support....That’s not asking much.


34 posted on 03/15/2008 7:59:42 AM PDT by nikos1121 (I'm voting for McCain...and fixin' to get excited about it.)
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To: Neville72
How McCain can win the base (McCain/Jindal'08)

Who cares?

McCain will lose election to either criminal Clintoons or Obamamamamania.

"It,s the economy, stupid".

35 posted on 03/15/2008 8:17:38 AM PDT by Anticommie
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To: saganite
I don't know what the fascination with unproven politicians is.

It's like an abundance of melanin in the skin is seen as the main qualifying attribute. The anti Caucasian conditioning has been very effective in the US.

36 posted on 03/15/2008 8:21:07 AM PDT by Perchant
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To: Son House

This week alone should be enough to hand the Repubs the POTUS.... Spitzer, Ferraro and Wright just exposed the losers for us.......!


37 posted on 03/15/2008 8:24:17 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: Neville72

McCain doesn’t need someone to help him carry Louisiana by an even larger margin than he will otherwise. He needs someone who can help him carry Ohio or Michigan.


38 posted on 03/15/2008 9:09:04 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Theodore R.

B.Jindal can never be VP - he is not native born.


39 posted on 03/15/2008 9:26:19 AM PDT by buffaloKiller ("No liberal is my brother, under the skin they are Orcs. Serving and doing evil endlessly.")
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To: Perdogg

B.Jindal can never be VP - he is not native born.


40 posted on 03/15/2008 9:28:06 AM PDT by buffaloKiller ("No liberal is my brother, under the skin they are Orcs. Serving and doing evil endlessly.")
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To: buffaloKiller
"B.Jindal can never be VP - he is not native born."

Did Baton Rouge secede from union and forget to tell me?

41 posted on 03/15/2008 9:28:29 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Neville72

B.Jindal can never be VP - he is not native born.


42 posted on 03/15/2008 9:29:34 AM PDT by buffaloKiller ("No liberal is my brother, under the skin they are Orcs. Serving and doing evil endlessly.")
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To: winner3000

B.Jindal can never be VP - he is not native born.


43 posted on 03/15/2008 9:30:59 AM PDT by buffaloKiller ("No liberal is my brother, under the skin they are Orcs. Serving and doing evil endlessly.")
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To: buffaloKiller
Jindal (pronounced /ˈdʒɪndəl/) was born in Baton Rouge to recently arrived Punjabi Indian immigrants Amar and Raj Jindal, who were attending graduate school.

Per Wikipedia.

44 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:14 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: buffaloKiller
B.Jindal can never be VP - he is not native born.

Not so. Here's the story on Bobby from Wikipedia:

"Jindal (...) was born in Baton Rouge to recently arrived Punjabi Indian immigrants Amar and Raj Jindal, who were attending graduate school.

"(...) According to family lore, Jindal adopted the name "Bobby" after watching The Brady Bunch television program at age four.

"(...) Jindal was a Hindu but converted to Catholicism in College.[7]"

Sounds like an all-American to me!

45 posted on 03/15/2008 9:32:26 AM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Theodore R.
Jindal is too new as governor to be a V.P. contender.

I heard him interviewed recently and he's already on record as saying he wouldn't accept any offer because his committment is to the La people who just elected him.

46 posted on 03/15/2008 9:33:27 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (There's three ways to skin a cat but not one is worth the effort.......)
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To: aculeus

I stand corrected. Thanks for the FYI.
Then we are blessed with another great American.


47 posted on 03/15/2008 10:23:15 AM PDT by buffaloKiller ("No liberal is my brother, under the skin they are Orcs. Serving and doing evil endlessly.")
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To: nikos1121
"Do I dislike McCain so much that I would do something that would hurt my country ie let Obama or Hillary become president?"

This isn't about whether I dislike McCain nearly as much as whether he represents my values at all. He doesn't represent enough of my values to win my vote.

"I will vote for McCain, and pray that he can win your vote, Tommy. In fact, I want him to work extra extra hard to do so, and for you to be tough. So that if he truly can win your vote then we know that we have a candidate."

I will pray that neither Obama nor Clinton become President. But I still will not give my vote to McCain. Sorry, it just isn't going to happen.

48 posted on 03/15/2008 10:23:35 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Yossarian

I just got the FYI but thanks additionaly for it.
As others here have posted, LA needs B.Jindal now so he will have to wait. Good man to have on our side.


49 posted on 03/15/2008 10:25:56 AM PDT by buffaloKiller ("No liberal is my brother, under the skin they are Orcs. Serving and doing evil endlessly.")
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To: Neville72
No, no, no! Jindal needs to stay in the governor's office. Reform LA any way he can, and then come out as a presidential contender. Any reform of LA will be huge, simply because, well, it's LA.

Jindal is the "future" of the conservative movement. Don't kill this up-and-comer by tying him to some old elephant that the Republican establishment wants as our candidate.

50 posted on 03/15/2008 10:29:54 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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