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AP Exclusive: On Manson's trail, forensic testing suggests possible new grave sites
International Herald Tribune ^ | March 15, 2008 | staff

Posted on 03/15/2008 2:47:22 PM PDT by kellynla

DEATH VALLEY NATIONAL PARK, Calif.: Bone-white stretches of salt, leached up from the lifeless soil, lay like a shroud over the high desert where a paranoid Charles Manson holed up after an orgy of murder nearly four decades ago.

Now, as then, few venture into this alkaline wilderness — gold-diggers, outlaws, loners content to live and let live.

But a determined group of outsiders recently made the trek. They were leading forensic investigators searching for new evidence of death — clues pointing to possible decades-old clandestine graves.

And the results of just-completed followup tests suggest bodies could indeed be lying beneath the parched ground. The test findings — described in detail to The Associated Press, which had accompanied the site search — conclude there are two likely clandestine grave sites at Barker Ranch, and one additional site that merits further investigation.

Next step, the ad hoc investigators urge: Dig.

For years, rumors have swirled about other possible Manson family victims — hitchhikers who visited them at the ranch and were not seen again, runaways who drifted into the camp then fell out of favor.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: California
KEYWORDS: charlesmanson; crime; godsgravesglyphs; manson; mansonfamily; serialkiller
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Why haven't they waterboarded Charlie?
1 posted on 03/15/2008 2:47:25 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

If they suspected other murders it sure has taken them long enough to investigate.


2 posted on 03/15/2008 2:51:13 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: kellynla

How can they waterboard him? Charlie don’t surf.

“I’m just a reflection of youuuuuuuuu.”


3 posted on 03/15/2008 2:52:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: kellynla

Charlie should have been attached to an anvil and waterboarded at the bottom of a pool many years ago.


4 posted on 03/15/2008 2:54:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: kellynla
"The Manson family members currently in prison are already serving life sentences — the maximum penalty allowed at the time the crimes were committed."

That should have some clarification. Charlie, and three of his angels, were sentenced to death. The California Supreme Court repealed the death penalty a year latter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/29/newsid_2746000/2746329.stm

5 posted on 03/15/2008 3:09:11 PM PDT by bjs1779
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Why haven't they waterboarded Charlie?

Ask Manson.
6 posted on 03/15/2008 3:11:01 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: kellynla

It appears that he had a great childhood...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
First known as “no name Maddox,”[6][7][8] Manson was born to unmarried, sixteen-year-old Kathleen Maddox in Cincinnati General Hospital, Cincinnati, Ohio; no more than three weeks after his birth, he was Charles Milles Maddox.[6][9][10] For a period, after her son’s birth, Kathleen Maddox was married to a laborer named William Manson,[10] whose last name the boy was given. Charles Manson’s biological father appears to have been a “Colonel Scott”, against whom Maddox filed a bastardy suit that resulted in an agreed judgment in 1937.[6] Possibly, Charles never really knew him.[6][8]

Young Manson’s mother, allegedly a drinker,[6] once sold him for a pitcher of beer to a childless waitress, from whom his uncle retrieved him some days later.[7] When his mother and her brother were sentenced to five years imprisonment for robbing a Charleston, West Virginia, service station in 1939, Manson was placed in the McMechen, West Virginia, home of an aunt and uncle who were very religious. Upon his mother’s 1942 parole, Manson was returned to his mother and lived with her in run-down hotel rooms.[6]

In 1947, Kathleen Maddox tried to have her son placed in a foster home but failed because no such home was available.[6] The court placed Manson in Gibault School for Boys, Terre Haute, Indiana. After ten months, he fled from there to his mother, who rejected him.[6]


7 posted on 03/15/2008 3:11:54 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: kellynla

I sometimes wonder how many of Charlies’ followers are now sitting in government jobs. Perhaps some of those are on Berkeley’s City Council.

With Obama’s candidacy, maybe Charlie can still save the Day for the Democrats when Hillary’s Helter Skelter comes to fruition


8 posted on 03/15/2008 3:12:09 PM PDT by digger48 (http://prorev.com/legacy.htm)
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To: Spunky

Part of the problem is that few if any of the suspected victims were ever known by name. It’s all rumor and innuendo. And those who know the truth are really unlikely to say anything because they would have been accomplices.

That said, there is very little reason to believe all of Manson’s victims are known. Just as the official reason he ordered the Tate/Labianca killings is hogwash. This man not only had no regard for human life, he was quick to kill anyone that upset him personally. They weren’t after Tate, they were after Terry Melcher, who used to own the home and had refused to sign Manson as a musician. The Labiancas may not even have been chosen at random, as Leo had some shady dealings with some criminals Charlie had known in prison.


9 posted on 03/15/2008 3:12:22 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: bjs1779

Thanks for posting the clarification!


10 posted on 03/15/2008 3:13:24 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: digger48

Probably few of his followers are in any position of authority because, while the family is portrayed as being somewhat large, its true numbers were likely less than 30, most of whom were either young girls procured for sex, or men who joined to take advantage of said girls. Those who speak publicly try to make it sound like there was a groupthink mentality with everyone at Spahn Ranch because it explains their actions. But the remaining members have remained pretty silent because they didn’t view Charlie as anything more than a magnet for drugs and sex.


11 posted on 03/15/2008 3:15:24 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: digger48

“I sometimes wonder how many of Charlies’ followers are now sitting in government jobs. Perhaps some of those are on Berkeley’s City Council.

With Obama’s candidacy, maybe Charlie can still save the Day for the Democrats when Hillary’s Helter Skelter comes to fruition”

With American colleges & universities being inundated with Leftists/Socialists/Marxists indoctrinating students with Commie propaganda for decades, who knows how many million anti-American wachos there are today. The evidence is everywhere from SF & Berkeley to Manhattan. And with half of America receiving some kind of government assistance,
who says “Communisma is dead!”


12 posted on 03/15/2008 3:25:26 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Get a load of this. Charlie has a fan club. Graphic photo warning.

http://www.atwa.info/


13 posted on 03/15/2008 3:28:01 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: kellynla

Wow.

Somebody is pretty persistent even after 39 years.
Cripes, Charlie is 73 now.


14 posted on 03/15/2008 3:28:44 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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Cripes, Charlie is 73 now.

Yeap. He never missed one of his 3 square hot meals a day.

15 posted on 03/15/2008 3:32:40 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779

No thanks, LOL


16 posted on 03/15/2008 3:41:13 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: SlapHappyPappy

Sharon Tate was a beautiful girl who went to High School in Richland, WA where I lived.


17 posted on 03/15/2008 4:41:10 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: SlapHappyPappy

You seem to be speaking from authority, SHP. Do you have first-hand knowledge of these things? What else can you tell us about the Manson case?


18 posted on 03/15/2008 4:42:17 PM PDT by Ignatz (I gave up self-sacrifice for Lent.)
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To: bjs1779

Absolutely sickening. I hope his “fans” slip in the shower tonight and slowly bleed out and suffer for a week. I mean it.


19 posted on 03/15/2008 4:55:55 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

They are everywhere these days. They loved straving an innocent Terri Schiavo also.


20 posted on 03/15/2008 5:02:08 PM PDT by bjs1779
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