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Itís john who pays in Sweden
Buffalo News ^ | 03/16/08 | By Karl Ritter

Posted on 03/16/2008 7:15:48 AM PDT by NYpeanut

STOCKHOLM, Sweden — Selling sex isn’t illegal in Sweden, but buying it is — a radical approach to prostitution that faced ridicule when it was introduced nine years ago.

Now, while Americans are preoccupied with the downfall of New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer in a prostitution scandal, some countries are considering emulating the Swedish model, which prosecutes the client but views the prostitute as an exploited victim.

Officials say the changed approach has reduced the demand for prostitutes and reshaped attitudes toward the sex trade.

“We don’t have a problem with prostitutes. We have a problem with men who buy sex,” said Kajsa Wahlberg, of the human trafficking unit at Sweden’s national police board.

She said foreign law enforcement officials and politicians are coming to Sweden in droves to learn more about its 1999 law.

On Friday, Wahlberg was meeting with police officials from the Netherlands, where prostitution is legal but where authorities have closed some brothels in a crackdown on organized crime in Amsterdam’s red light district.

In January, a high-level British delegation came to study the Swedish approach as Britain reviews its own prostitution laws, which prohibit soliciting and loitering for sex, but not buying sex.

Norway’s government plans to propose a Swedish-style prostitution law after Easter.

Under Sweden’s so-called “Sex Purchase Law,” paying for sex is punished by fines or up to six months in prison, plus the humiliation of public exposure.

Pimps and brothel keepers are also prosecuted, but not prostitutes, because they are viewed as victims, treated as commodities in the sex trade.

While authorities judge the new system a success, critics question whether it has really reduced prostitution or merely pushed it off the streets into more isolated surroundings. Wahlberg concedes that accurate statistics are hard to obtain, but estimates the number of prostitutes in Sweden dropped 40 percent from 2,500 in 1998 to 1,500 in 2003.

She says police know from eavesdropping on human trafficking rings that Sweden is considered bad business because of its tough stance.

“They are calculating profits, costs and marketing and the risk of getting caught,” Wahlberg said. “We’re trying to create a bad market for these activities.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europe; hookers; prostitution; spitzer; sweden
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Are they going to investigate Eliot's hooker for tax fraud?
1 posted on 03/16/2008 7:15:49 AM PDT by NYpeanut
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To: NYpeanut

Are they going to investigate Eliot’s hooker for tax fraud?
________________

This investigation was initiated by the IRS, so I guess so.


2 posted on 03/16/2008 7:19:05 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: NYpeanut

Sure, fishing expeditions are just peachy in a free society. P.S. she has until Apr 15 of this year to pay taxes on all income earned since Jan 1 2007.


3 posted on 03/16/2008 7:20:59 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: NYpeanut
Are they going to investigate Eliot's hooker for tax fraud?

Nope.

Gov. Spitzer's hooker gets immunity

4 posted on 03/16/2008 7:21:30 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NYpeanut

I wonder how they differentiate between a man who goes on a date, buys an expensive dinner, maybe a gift of jewelry, a who “loan’s” his “date” a $100, with one who gives her $100?


5 posted on 03/16/2008 7:23:21 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Actually that seems to imply they’ve already investigated. If they’re offering her immunity from prosecution, they probably already know what she could be prosecuted for, which means they’ve already investigated.


6 posted on 03/16/2008 7:26:59 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: NYpeanut

you have to target the supply, not the demand. and this applies to all kinds of things: abortion, taxes, monetary policy, etc.


7 posted on 03/16/2008 7:31:00 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: NYpeanut
If consenting adults want to trade services for cash that is just fine with me.

Just don't come crying to to taxpayer for help if you get some strange STD, I say suffer with it, you made your bed, now sleep in it.

Just be prepared to live with the consequences, that you brought upon your self.

8 posted on 03/16/2008 7:31:43 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: NYpeanut

Oh! Thats why rapes are up in Sweden.


9 posted on 03/16/2008 7:36:12 AM PDT by longun45 (There is no difference between a republocrat and a demican, time to kick them both out.)
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To: marktwain

> I wonder how they differentiate between a man who
> goes on a date, buys an expensive dinner, ...

Prostitution is a class of “thought crime”.

It’s usually only illegal when the recipient of the
largess has no doubt about the nature of their role
in the relationship.

Usually the legal indiscretion is merely being
insufficiently discreet.
__________
The STDs, of course, make no such distinctions.


10 posted on 03/16/2008 7:36:17 AM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: NYpeanut

I thought Johns paid everywhere.


11 posted on 03/16/2008 7:37:00 AM PDT by csmusaret (John McCain is a self rightous little prick.)
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To: marktwain
I wonder how they differentiate between a man who goes on a date, buys an expensive dinner, maybe a gift of jewelry, a who “loan’s” his “date” a $100, with one who gives her $100

However they damn well please.

12 posted on 03/16/2008 7:37:25 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: NYpeanut
” paying for sex is punished by fines or up to six months in prison

I guess that means you do not have alimony in Sweden. :)

13 posted on 03/16/2008 7:39:44 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: NYpeanut
An interesting idea which is presently how our political corruption penalties work. When a Clintonista takes cash from someone illegally, it's not the politician who goes to jail. This would be an interesting angle for drug dealers too.

Gee, do you think that this might be due to the fact that middle aged men who buy sex have deeper pockets than hookers?

"Welcome to the Mr.Obvious Show......"

14 posted on 03/16/2008 7:40:09 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: NYpeanut

btt


15 posted on 03/16/2008 7:52:05 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: blackdog
"Gee, do you think that this might be due to the fact that middle aged men who buy sex have deeper pockets than hookers? "

"Huh, I never made the connection. Thanks Mr. Obvious, your a lifesaver."

16 posted on 03/16/2008 7:52:34 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

The sump pump in the basement making growling noises like a bear was the funniest bit I’ve ever heard.


17 posted on 03/16/2008 7:55:05 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: NYpeanut

Why don’t liberals make matters clearer for all by just opening a season on men?


18 posted on 03/16/2008 7:55:36 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: blackdog

“Gee, do you think that this might be due to the fact that middle aged men who buy sex have deeper pockets than hookers? “


That could be part of it, I admit. I believe it is mostly just another “Men are evil, women can do no wrong” law.


19 posted on 03/16/2008 7:56:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: NYpeanut

Why not legalize it? The amount of money spent on rounding up street hookers and processing them through the legal system is unbelievable. Why don’t they spend that money helping the victims to get out of that kind of life? Or use it to arrest the pimps? I say legalize it, make it a legitimate business, tax it and make it safer. Sex is never going to go away and those who pay for it or take money for it aren’t either. Require testing, make it safer for the true victims (of rape or abuse) to report those crimes, and don’t allow control over them via pimps.


20 posted on 03/16/2008 7:58:46 AM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: ktscarlett66

Is that you Elliot?


21 posted on 03/16/2008 8:01:18 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: tacticalogic

You are correct. Although I doubt they’ve conducted a comprehensive investigation of the hooker(s) I mistook investigate for prosecute. My apologies.


22 posted on 03/16/2008 8:01:31 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NYpeanut

I couldn’t imagine ‘charging’ a Swedish blonde either...nope!


23 posted on 03/16/2008 8:02:12 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Poetic justice is the best kind!


24 posted on 03/16/2008 8:03:05 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: NYpeanut

Kristen has been given immunity.


25 posted on 03/16/2008 8:03:48 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: blackdog

Uh no...I’m female.


26 posted on 03/16/2008 8:04:46 AM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: ari-freedom
drugs, alcohol, firearms, fast cars, SUVs, hmmm, mebbe not so much! Sometimes, the abusers get a little targeting as well!
27 posted on 03/16/2008 8:05:54 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: ktscarlett66

I don’t think you got it?


28 posted on 03/16/2008 8:09:35 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: A.A. Cunningham; NYpeanut
Are they going to investigate Eliot's hooker for tax fraud?
Nope.
Gov. Spitzer's hooker gets immunity

Immunity from prosecution doesn't mean, however, that the IRS won't impose civil penalties for unpaid taxes.

29 posted on 03/16/2008 8:11:46 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: blackdog

LOL, “Hello Mr. Sump Pump! Boy your pretty big!”


30 posted on 03/16/2008 8:18:29 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: NYpeanut

So, prostitutes can wear signs now?


31 posted on 03/16/2008 8:32:39 AM PDT by MaxMax (I need a life after politics)
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To: ari-freedom

Uh, you don’t have to target any such thing. You can spend your time on crimes which involve harming the person and property of other people.


32 posted on 03/16/2008 8:35:00 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: NYpeanut

Politicians just want the tax money.


33 posted on 03/16/2008 8:35:47 AM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: NYpeanut
some countries are considering emulating the Swedish model, which prosecutes the client but views the prostitute as an exploited victim.

I am reminded of Abraham Lincoln's quip about how many legs a dog has, if you count its tail as a leg.

-ccm

34 posted on 03/16/2008 8:51:43 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: NYpeanut

Having sex is generally legal, even if it is done often and with strangers, indicative of psychological problems, and detrimental to one’s health and well being.

Exchange small amounts money in a frivolous manner is also generally legal, even if the consideration given in exchange has little or no value. People can buy $10 sunglasses for $200 if they want to.

Prostitution is combining these two legal things in close proximity of time. So, I guess what makes it illegal is that money is given in exchange for sex within 5 minutes, instead of after waiting an hour.

55 minutes is a crime. It turns poor judgment that nobody cares about into a destructive force that threatens the very foundations of society itself. It is slavery, drug and alcohol addiction, poverty, abuse, disease and death on skid row.

My, what just 55 minutes can do.

Obviously, any prostitute with more than a room temperature IQ should figure out some means of passing these damnable 55 minutes, both to save herself and her customer, and all of western civilization itself, from downfall.

Actually, a LOT of prostitutes have figured this out, and come up with endless ways of wasting 55 minutes. So they and their clientele are almost never arrested, humiliated, condemned, or even thought of as prostitutes engaging in prostitution.

And thus, by wasting 55 minutes after sex, they are not impoverished, addicted to heroin and crack, controlled by a vicious pimp, living on skid row and a frequent flyer in a jail cell.

Instead, just by the mere act of not being paid for 55 minutes, many of them are middle class, live in the suburbs, only take drugs and alcohol for recreation, and leave prostitution whenever they feel. In exchange, they can have considerable supplemental income to spend on whatever they like, on top of their ordinary day job, they get invited out to dinner and other recreation by clients, and might even end up getting married to one, and living reasonably happily ever after.

Surely society is correct in mandating a 55 minute difference between a heinous, destructive and evil crime and a pleasant and almost respectable lifestyle.


35 posted on 03/16/2008 8:57:06 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: NYpeanut
the Swedish model ...prosecutes the client but views the prostitute as an exploited victim.

Well, how PC of them. The drug dealer isn't the criminal, the drug PURCHASER is! Interesting take ...

“We don’t have a problem with prostitutes. We have a problem with men who buy sex,”

Why do you have more of a "problem" with the one than the other? The men couldn't buy it unless someone was offering it for sale. Nor could the women sell it unless someone was offering to buy. So why would you exempt one half of the transaction?

36 posted on 03/16/2008 8:57:36 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: ktscarlett66
I am thinking about agreeing with this. Hookers would have to be subject to health department screenings, like any other public utility, and would be taxed like the rest of us. Johns would register, to sort out the ax murderers and married men among them (anonymity guaranteed, and no registration fee, as the fees would be collected in hooker taxes).

The only other thing I would add is that married johns should have to possess a notarized permission from their wife, giving her acquiescence to his registration, so as not to infect the innocent lady with skank bugs. No note, no party. Married men caught without spousal permission should be subject to the penalty determined by the wife; no limit.

Than that will open up a whole new industry, a black market for fake permission cards, and a whole other level of bureaucracy susceptible to corruption. More bureaucracy, more lawyers. Oh, never mind.

37 posted on 03/16/2008 9:00:51 AM PDT by NYpeanut (gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "Why did you lie to me?")
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To: purpleraine

some crimes harm society as a whole. For example, prostitution and illegal immigration.


38 posted on 03/16/2008 9:05:13 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: NYpeanut

No, girlfriend is getting a free pass, immunity. So Ashley is off the hook. She may have an IRS problem though. Apparently, she was working in the NYC club scene as a waitress in some nightclubs where she would pull $600 or more a night. These clubs have tables only for patrons who will drop $500 or thereabouts for a bottle of champagne or vodka. Her job was to get the table to buy more bottles and thus get bigger tips.

Then the word is she would hook up with the payers at these tables and get these guys to come back. Apparently, she had a reputation for getting the customer to come back to these tables. Hmmm wonder how she did that?

Geraldo on Fox had a former pimp who ran an escort service that she worked for before Emperor. He said he tried to date her but landed up getting her to work for him. She did 80-100 jobs a month he said for 6-12 months.

By conservative estimates she made a lot of money in the trade. And she is not looking very abused in her history either. She just went from nightclub waitress to hooker, probably with a good amount of drugs along the way.


39 posted on 03/16/2008 9:05:41 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: ari-freedom
P{lease quantify the harm of someone selling sex to another person. Are you now a victim by proxy.

We have been to Nevada many times and LA and other places where prostitution is prominent and I have yet to experience any harm or even inconvenience. So I need some elaboration.

BTW I thinking lying generally harms society as a whole and coverage of Hollywood gossip and rap music, on and on.. Shall we outlaw such things?

40 posted on 03/16/2008 9:18:02 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: NYpeanut

If we just pass enough laws then we can create the perfect society.

Oh yeah, that’s what we are missing is more laws.


41 posted on 03/16/2008 9:33:51 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: purpleraine

we do outlaw lying. If you make a false claim in an ad, you have to face a penalty. And tv shows are not allowed to have cursing or porn unless it’s on paid access cable.

Times Square used to be infamous for prostitution. The city is so much better after Rudy came and cleaned it up. Crime is down and people feel good about living here.


42 posted on 03/16/2008 9:44:41 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: ari-freedom
Lying is mostly outlawed in some business and legal proceedings. If you can enforce the laws against lying then I have some children the police may be interested in.Your point about TV only argues that prostitution should be regulated and limited by location to adults.

I've heard all of these arguments and moralizing by legislation reasonings before, not very convincing except for people who want the government to stop others from committing sexual sins.

43 posted on 03/16/2008 9:53:47 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Mark was here

“Just don’t come crying to to taxpayer for help if you get some strange STD, I say suffer with it, you made your bed, now sleep in it.”

that could work. we could have registries. “sorry, we can’t treat that lung cancer with tax dollars, you signed here in the “I want to smoke, leave me alone” registry.

next !!


44 posted on 03/16/2008 10:03:50 AM PDT by stompk
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To: Boundless

“It’s usually only illegal when the recipient of the
largess has no doubt about the nature of their role
in the relationship.

Usually the legal indiscretion is merely being
insufficiently discreet.”

Wow.


45 posted on 03/16/2008 10:04:44 AM PDT by stompk
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To: ktscarlett66

“Why not legalize it? “

Which Country was that, that wanted to refuse young women unemployment money, because they refused to consider(legal) Prostitution as a career choice ?


46 posted on 03/16/2008 10:07:05 AM PDT by stompk
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To: purpleraine

it is limited by location. If you want it, you can go to nevada. I don’t want it in my neighborhood and most people here agree. I am not interested in changing nevada but I don’t want to live there.


47 posted on 03/16/2008 10:09:39 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: ari-freedom

Well, we’ve gone from hurting overall society to you don’t want it in your neighborhood. My work here is done. I guess this is my stop.


48 posted on 03/16/2008 10:26:55 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: NYpeanut
Now, while Americans are preoccupied with the downfall of New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer in a prostitution scandal, some countries are considering emulating the Swedish model, which prosecutes the client but views the prostitute as an exploited victim.

Since the Lesbo feminists have alot of power in Sweden, we should not be surprised that this law is in place.

Legalize it and regulate it. Tell the feminists and holy rollers that you can't change thousands of years of tradition, you will just push it underground.

49 posted on 03/16/2008 10:29:03 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: Clemenza

Typcal lezbo mentality.

Make the man pay the woman for sex, then punish him for victimizing the woman he pays. Isn’t that just the way a lezbo would see it too?


50 posted on 03/16/2008 10:36:53 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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