Skip to comments.Itís john who pays in Sweden
Posted on 03/16/2008 7:15:48 AM PDT by NYpeanut
STOCKHOLM, Sweden Selling sex isnt illegal in Sweden, but buying it is a radical approach to prostitution that faced ridicule when it was introduced nine years ago.
Now, while Americans are preoccupied with the downfall of New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer in a prostitution scandal, some countries are considering emulating the Swedish model, which prosecutes the client but views the prostitute as an exploited victim.
Officials say the changed approach has reduced the demand for prostitutes and reshaped attitudes toward the sex trade.
We dont have a problem with prostitutes. We have a problem with men who buy sex, said Kajsa Wahlberg, of the human trafficking unit at Swedens national police board.
She said foreign law enforcement officials and politicians are coming to Sweden in droves to learn more about its 1999 law.
On Friday, Wahlberg was meeting with police officials from the Netherlands, where prostitution is legal but where authorities have closed some brothels in a crackdown on organized crime in Amsterdams red light district.
In January, a high-level British delegation came to study the Swedish approach as Britain reviews its own prostitution laws, which prohibit soliciting and loitering for sex, but not buying sex.
Norways government plans to propose a Swedish-style prostitution law after Easter.
Under Swedens so-called Sex Purchase Law, paying for sex is punished by fines or up to six months in prison, plus the humiliation of public exposure.
Pimps and brothel keepers are also prosecuted, but not prostitutes, because they are viewed as victims, treated as commodities in the sex trade.
While authorities judge the new system a success, critics question whether it has really reduced prostitution or merely pushed it off the streets into more isolated surroundings. Wahlberg concedes that accurate statistics are hard to obtain, but estimates the number of prostitutes in Sweden dropped 40 percent from 2,500 in 1998 to 1,500 in 2003.
She says police know from eavesdropping on human trafficking rings that Sweden is considered bad business because of its tough stance.
They are calculating profits, costs and marketing and the risk of getting caught, Wahlberg said. Were trying to create a bad market for these activities.
Are they going to investigate Eliot’s hooker for tax fraud?
This investigation was initiated by the IRS, so I guess so.
Sure, fishing expeditions are just peachy in a free society. P.S. she has until Apr 15 of this year to pay taxes on all income earned since Jan 1 2007.
I wonder how they differentiate between a man who goes on a date, buys an expensive dinner, maybe a gift of jewelry, a who “loan’s” his “date” a $100, with one who gives her $100?
Actually that seems to imply they’ve already investigated. If they’re offering her immunity from prosecution, they probably already know what she could be prosecuted for, which means they’ve already investigated.
you have to target the supply, not the demand. and this applies to all kinds of things: abortion, taxes, monetary policy, etc.
Just don't come crying to to taxpayer for help if you get some strange STD, I say suffer with it, you made your bed, now sleep in it.
Just be prepared to live with the consequences, that you brought upon your self.
Oh! Thats why rapes are up in Sweden.
> I wonder how they differentiate between a man who
> goes on a date, buys an expensive dinner, ...
Prostitution is a class of “thought crime”.
It’s usually only illegal when the recipient of the
largess has no doubt about the nature of their role
in the relationship.
Usually the legal indiscretion is merely being
The STDs, of course, make no such distinctions.
I thought Johns paid everywhere.
However they damn well please.
I guess that means you do not have alimony in Sweden. :)
Gee, do you think that this might be due to the fact that middle aged men who buy sex have deeper pockets than hookers?
"Welcome to the Mr.Obvious Show......"
"Huh, I never made the connection. Thanks Mr. Obvious, your a lifesaver."
The sump pump in the basement making growling noises like a bear was the funniest bit I’ve ever heard.
Why don’t liberals make matters clearer for all by just opening a season on men?
“Gee, do you think that this might be due to the fact that middle aged men who buy sex have deeper pockets than hookers? “
Why not legalize it? The amount of money spent on rounding up street hookers and processing them through the legal system is unbelievable. Why don’t they spend that money helping the victims to get out of that kind of life? Or use it to arrest the pimps? I say legalize it, make it a legitimate business, tax it and make it safer. Sex is never going to go away and those who pay for it or take money for it aren’t either. Require testing, make it safer for the true victims (of rape or abuse) to report those crimes, and don’t allow control over them via pimps.
Is that you Elliot?
You are correct. Although I doubt they’ve conducted a comprehensive investigation of the hooker(s) I mistook investigate for prosecute. My apologies.
I couldn’t imagine ‘charging’ a Swedish blonde either...nope!
Poetic justice is the best kind!
Kristen has been given immunity.
Uh no...I’m female.
I don’t think you got it?
Immunity from prosecution doesn't mean, however, that the IRS won't impose civil penalties for unpaid taxes.
LOL, “Hello Mr. Sump Pump! Boy your pretty big!”
So, prostitutes can wear signs now?
Uh, you don’t have to target any such thing. You can spend your time on crimes which involve harming the person and property of other people.
Politicians just want the tax money.
I am reminded of Abraham Lincoln's quip about how many legs a dog has, if you count its tail as a leg.
Having sex is generally legal, even if it is done often and with strangers, indicative of psychological problems, and detrimental to one’s health and well being.
Exchange small amounts money in a frivolous manner is also generally legal, even if the consideration given in exchange has little or no value. People can buy $10 sunglasses for $200 if they want to.
Prostitution is combining these two legal things in close proximity of time. So, I guess what makes it illegal is that money is given in exchange for sex within 5 minutes, instead of after waiting an hour.
55 minutes is a crime. It turns poor judgment that nobody cares about into a destructive force that threatens the very foundations of society itself. It is slavery, drug and alcohol addiction, poverty, abuse, disease and death on skid row.
My, what just 55 minutes can do.
Obviously, any prostitute with more than a room temperature IQ should figure out some means of passing these damnable 55 minutes, both to save herself and her customer, and all of western civilization itself, from downfall.
Actually, a LOT of prostitutes have figured this out, and come up with endless ways of wasting 55 minutes. So they and their clientele are almost never arrested, humiliated, condemned, or even thought of as prostitutes engaging in prostitution.
And thus, by wasting 55 minutes after sex, they are not impoverished, addicted to heroin and crack, controlled by a vicious pimp, living on skid row and a frequent flyer in a jail cell.
Instead, just by the mere act of not being paid for 55 minutes, many of them are middle class, live in the suburbs, only take drugs and alcohol for recreation, and leave prostitution whenever they feel. In exchange, they can have considerable supplemental income to spend on whatever they like, on top of their ordinary day job, they get invited out to dinner and other recreation by clients, and might even end up getting married to one, and living reasonably happily ever after.
Surely society is correct in mandating a 55 minute difference between a heinous, destructive and evil crime and a pleasant and almost respectable lifestyle.
Well, how PC of them. The drug dealer isn't the criminal, the drug PURCHASER is! Interesting take ...
We dont have a problem with prostitutes. We have a problem with men who buy sex,
Why do you have more of a "problem" with the one than the other? The men couldn't buy it unless someone was offering it for sale. Nor could the women sell it unless someone was offering to buy. So why would you exempt one half of the transaction?
The only other thing I would add is that married johns should have to possess a notarized permission from their wife, giving her acquiescence to his registration, so as not to infect the innocent lady with skank bugs. No note, no party. Married men caught without spousal permission should be subject to the penalty determined by the wife; no limit.
Than that will open up a whole new industry, a black market for fake permission cards, and a whole other level of bureaucracy susceptible to corruption. More bureaucracy, more lawyers. Oh, never mind.
some crimes harm society as a whole. For example, prostitution and illegal immigration.
No, girlfriend is getting a free pass, immunity. So Ashley is off the hook. She may have an IRS problem though. Apparently, she was working in the NYC club scene as a waitress in some nightclubs where she would pull $600 or more a night. These clubs have tables only for patrons who will drop $500 or thereabouts for a bottle of champagne or vodka. Her job was to get the table to buy more bottles and thus get bigger tips.
Then the word is she would hook up with the payers at these tables and get these guys to come back. Apparently, she had a reputation for getting the customer to come back to these tables. Hmmm wonder how she did that?
Geraldo on Fox had a former pimp who ran an escort service that she worked for before Emperor. He said he tried to date her but landed up getting her to work for him. She did 80-100 jobs a month he said for 6-12 months.
By conservative estimates she made a lot of money in the trade. And she is not looking very abused in her history either. She just went from nightclub waitress to hooker, probably with a good amount of drugs along the way.
We have been to Nevada many times and LA and other places where prostitution is prominent and I have yet to experience any harm or even inconvenience. So I need some elaboration.
BTW I thinking lying generally harms society as a whole and coverage of Hollywood gossip and rap music, on and on.. Shall we outlaw such things?
If we just pass enough laws then we can create the perfect society.
Oh yeah, that’s what we are missing is more laws.
we do outlaw lying. If you make a false claim in an ad, you have to face a penalty. And tv shows are not allowed to have cursing or porn unless it’s on paid access cable.
Times Square used to be infamous for prostitution. The city is so much better after Rudy came and cleaned it up. Crime is down and people feel good about living here.
I've heard all of these arguments and moralizing by legislation reasonings before, not very convincing except for people who want the government to stop others from committing sexual sins.
“Just don’t come crying to to taxpayer for help if you get some strange STD, I say suffer with it, you made your bed, now sleep in it.”
that could work. we could have registries. “sorry, we can’t treat that lung cancer with tax dollars, you signed here in the “I want to smoke, leave me alone” registry.
“Its usually only illegal when the recipient of the
largess has no doubt about the nature of their role
in the relationship.
Usually the legal indiscretion is merely being
“Why not legalize it? “
Which Country was that, that wanted to refuse young women unemployment money, because they refused to consider(legal) Prostitution as a career choice ?
it is limited by location. If you want it, you can go to nevada. I don’t want it in my neighborhood and most people here agree. I am not interested in changing nevada but I don’t want to live there.
Well, we’ve gone from hurting overall society to you don’t want it in your neighborhood. My work here is done. I guess this is my stop.
Since the Lesbo feminists have alot of power in Sweden, we should not be surprised that this law is in place.
Legalize it and regulate it. Tell the feminists and holy rollers that you can't change thousands of years of tradition, you will just push it underground.
Typcal lezbo mentality.
Make the man pay the woman for sex, then punish him for victimizing the woman he pays. Isn’t that just the way a lezbo would see it too?