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Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division (Obama was present at Wright's July 22, 2007 sermon)
Newsmax ^ | Aug. 9, 2007 | OBAMA'S MAMA

Posted on 03/16/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT by rao2000

Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division

Jim Davis Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007

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Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22. .....

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To: jveritas

3:00 pm in FL is 2:00 pm in Chicago. There’s an extra hour. Perfectly doable.


301 posted on 03/17/2008 4:29:01 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: rao2000

Where is the video. Can we obtain the video and see if we can see Obama ?


302 posted on 03/17/2008 4:31:11 AM PDT by drzz
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To: umgud
I can't imagine him sitting there listening to this and not joining in when the crowd starts their head bobbling up and down when the Pastor says this stuff.

If they could get him nodding in agreement to what this guy is saying along with the rest of the crowd then he would be down for the count IMHO.

303 posted on 03/17/2008 4:32:02 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The author claims that Obama was in the morning service which by the way was not given by Wright. Please see post 300.


304 posted on 03/17/2008 4:32:06 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

I did see Barack Obama that day. I said so in the article, and I’m saying so now.

I’m pretty sure they have their service times switched around on their website. If I recall correctly, Anthony Burnette gave the evening service that day (6:00 PM) and Jeremiah Wright gave the early morning service (7:30 AM).


305 posted on 03/17/2008 4:37:52 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962

Perhaps you can provide some insight on a question I’ve had running through my mind constantly for the last week.

As you and many of us have pointed out- all this information about Wright and Obama’s association with him has been “out there” for a year. It’s been written, blogged and published- many of us on FR were hollering about this months ago...and yet...

Why NOW? Why SUDDENLY as if by magic- is it all going mainstream? The standard answer- it’s Hillary’s minions- seems too easy.


306 posted on 03/17/2008 4:45:27 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: rao2000

How many people attend churches where they reject the sermons categorically?


307 posted on 03/17/2008 4:46:19 AM PDT by omega4179 (let this be the week of the hussein keyword)
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To: InterceptPoint

You are actually right. At sports don’t they ask you to rise for the anthem. Hats should be removed I think.


308 posted on 03/17/2008 4:48:33 AM PDT by omega4179 (let this be the week of the hussein keyword)
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To: SE Mom
The standard answer- it’s Hillary’s minions- seems too easy.

The most obvious answer is generally the correct answer.

309 posted on 03/17/2008 4:48:36 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Ditto

Normally- I’d agree. But the problem I have with that is how clear it’s been the MSM has strongly supported Obama. It seems unlikely they would suddenly obey her requests to get this story more front and center. My sense was they were really enjoying watching her decline..and in many cases, actively promoted it.


310 posted on 03/17/2008 4:52:39 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jveritas

Someone has some ‘splainin to do?


311 posted on 03/17/2008 4:58:01 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: jveritas

Someone has some ‘splainin to do?


312 posted on 03/17/2008 4:58:03 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: InterceptPoint

>>> I don’t place my hand over my heart for the Star Spangled Banner. But I do for the Pledge of Allegiance. I think that is pretty much the norm. Since this was the during the singing of the Star Spangled Banner I don’t see why it is such a big deal.

Am I missing something here?

Yep, and you are not alone, I ran into this at the Jersey shore last year. It is a sign of respect that when the SSB is played you rise, men remove the caps, and face the flag. Then if one has a cap or with bare hand should be placed over the heart.

Wildwood NJ played the SSB last year as we were walking up the boardwalk. A flag was presented as the music played. My wife and I came to a stop and did the above. I was amazed and angered that people 1.didn’t know the protocol or 2. Did not care.

It is considered disrespectful to ignore the presentation of the colors and the playing of the anthem.


313 posted on 03/17/2008 5:05:32 AM PDT by halfright (Rev. Wright's been ridin' dirty!)
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To: InterceptPoint
I'm saving this until he wraps up the nomination.


314 posted on 03/17/2008 5:05:33 AM PDT by McGruff (Tribal name: 'One with many knives in back')
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To: McGruff

Didn’t know it was US Code. Thanks for posting that. Nice graphic!


315 posted on 03/17/2008 5:11:23 AM PDT by halfright (Rev. Wright's been ridin' dirty!)
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To: rao2000

The media has been suppressing this for a long time, the divisiveness of Rev. Wright has been known from the beginning.

The only thing which has changed, the only reason why this is being brought out now by the media, is the Clintons.


316 posted on 03/17/2008 5:21:08 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: rao2000

ping


317 posted on 03/17/2008 5:23:40 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (q)
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To: SE Mom
Normally- I’d agree. But the problem I have with that is how clear it’s been the MSM has strongly supported Obama. It seems unlikely they would suddenly obey her requests to get this story more front and center. My sense was they were really enjoying watching her decline..and in many cases, actively promoted it.

From a conservative standpoint, this is the beautiful thing about the 50/50 split of the left between Hillary (who wants to be the first female president) and Obama (who wants to be the first black president). Both of them have lots of friends in the mainstream news media. The news media is not some sort of monolithic hive mind where everybody thinks the same way on each and every issue, and we're seeing an example of that right now. Half of them want Hillary to be president, and the other half want Obama to be president.

So when Hillary wants everybody to see some dirt on Obama, Hillary's minions go to their friends in the media.

And when Obama wants everybody to see spome dirt on Hillary, Obama's minions go to their own friends in the media.

And all conservatives have to do is unfold some lawnchairs, pop some popcorn and watch the fireworks.

318 posted on 03/17/2008 5:32:12 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Robwin

Because on national TV he told millions of Americans he was not there. If he was, he needs to be forced to eat those words.


319 posted on 03/17/2008 5:32:33 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Philo1962
I’m pretty sure they have their service times switched around on their website. If I recall correctly, Anthony Burnette gave the evening service that day (6:00 PM) and Jeremiah Wright gave the early morning service (7:30 AM).

Well, you better find out for sure. If what you're stating about seeing Obama being at one of these WRIGHT sermons is indeed a fact, then Obama is wrong and needs to explain himself.

320 posted on 03/17/2008 5:33:29 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Philo1962; jveritas

Pretty sad that FReepers believe Obama’s hate-”church” website over you, the author of the article.

An article that was published 2 weeks after the service.

An article that could have been noticed by said “church.”

An article that could have caused said “church”’s members to re-write their timelines of services for that morning’s sermon to specifically negate your article.

A lot of could-haves or human error? I wouldn’t put anything past Obama supporters and defenders.


321 posted on 03/17/2008 5:39:54 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Philo1962; Ditto

Smacks self upside head:) Ok- that makes more sense..

It is fascinating to watch it alllll unfold.


322 posted on 03/17/2008 5:39:59 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jveritas

And the author is here in the thread standing by the claim. I’ll believe him before I believe the campaign dealing with this s***storm or the website of the “church” that created it.

The idea that Obama never heard this madman’s rantings in person is utterly ludicrous anyway, so I’m failing to see the point of this timeline game we’re playing here.


323 posted on 03/17/2008 5:41:00 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Let’s call him: REV anti-WHITE...not REV WRIGHT.


324 posted on 03/17/2008 5:43:08 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: jveritas

Day

Event

Sunday

Sunday Worship Services
7:30 a.m., 11:00 a.m., and 6:00 p.m.

The article says it was a Sunday morning service. Why even assume a 6:00 pm time?

Attending the 7:30 a.m. service would give Obama plenty of time to make a 1:30 p.m. speech in Miami!

325 posted on 03/17/2008 5:50:18 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: jveritas

FOX is saying that O was in Florida on that day...?


326 posted on 03/17/2008 5:51:30 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sonic109

A bit of both, I think. He has been listening to the hate whitey diatribe so long that he actually thinks that EVERYONE thinks the same.


327 posted on 03/17/2008 5:52:04 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Armedanddangerous
I find it amazing to believe that in twenty years of having this man as his pastor, mentor, etc., etc., Obama had NO idea of his attitude toward whites and toward America. I agree it would be great to find documentation, but even without it, the idea that Obama never had any glimpse of this man's attitude in twenty years is ridiculous. And if it is true, then Obama is too dense to be President.

If nothing else, his church honoring Farrakhan as Man of the Year or whatever should have tipped Obama off.

328 posted on 03/17/2008 5:54:21 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Revereee

Maybe Obama’s heart is in his pants? ;-)


329 posted on 03/17/2008 5:55:24 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: sarasota

That is correct, he was in Florida giving a speech to La Raza from 1:30 PM to 3:00 PM.


330 posted on 03/17/2008 5:58:14 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Philo1962

Your story is not adding up well. The schedule from July 22 shows that Wright was to give the Sermon at 6:00 PM and some other guy at 7:30 AM.


331 posted on 03/17/2008 6:02:12 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Yes and it is the author of the article.


332 posted on 03/17/2008 6:03:14 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Red_Devil 232

See my post # 300, someone else gave the sermon at 7:30 AM and it was not Wright, he gave the sermon at 6:00 PM.


333 posted on 03/17/2008 6:04:24 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: cgk; jveritas
Pretty sad that FReepers believe Obama’s hate-”church” website over you, the author of the article. An article that was published 2 weeks after the service. An article that could have been noticed by said “church.” An article that could have caused said “church”’s members to re-write their timelines of services for that morning’s sermon to specifically negate your article. A lot of could-haves or human error? I wouldn’t put anything past Obama supporters and defenders.

My article was published in the first week of August. Everyone's memory was still fresh. I still had all of my notes. There hadn't been a lot of time to doctor or edit any videos or websites. But the Obama camp chose to remain silent at that time. I have repeatedly called the campaign and the church, asking for an interview and mentioning the July 22 date in the messages I've left.

If Obama wasn't there, they should have spoken up right away -- immediately after the article was published. I'd bring in my notes, they'd produce their videotape, and we would get everything cleared up right away. I stand behind my story, but if I was wrong, Newsmax would have published a retraction and that would have been the end of it.

Now, after everyone's memory has faded, my notes have been taken to some landfill and there has been plenty of time to doctor the videos and the websites, the Obama campaign tries to deny he was there? They could have nipped this little problem in the bud if Obama really was not there, and they had chosen to speak up.

I think they are relying on the fact that people have fading memories about who gave the sermon in the early morning and who gave it in the evening, on a Sunday eight months ago.

334 posted on 03/17/2008 6:04:33 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: jveritas
See my post # 300, someone else gave the sermon at 7:30 AM and it was not Wright, he gave the sermon at 6:00 PM.

I think they have the two switched around on the church website. If I recall correctly, Jeremiah Wright gave the sermon at 7:30 AM and Anthony Burnette gave the sermon at 6:00 PM. Like I said, there's been plenty of time for our memories to fade and our notes to be thrown away.

And there's been plenty of time to doctor websites and videotapes.

If Obama really wasn't there, why didn't they speak up imnmediately after my story was published in the first week of August? You've been asking a lot of questions. Answer that one.

335 posted on 03/17/2008 6:07:25 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962
It really doesn't matter if Obama was at a particular sermon or not. If you take a look at the church's website, TUCC, and the BLACK VALUE SYSTEM on which it is based, you can see how racist this organization is.

As long as the MSM and others continue to focus on personalities like pastor Wright and speculate whether Obama was at a particular sermon or not, the better it is for Obama who can distance himself from Wright and claim he wasn't present at some of the sermons. The focus should be on the church itself and Obama's 20 year association with it. We are missing the forest for the trees.

336 posted on 03/17/2008 6:10:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Philo1962
May be they did not see a need to answer your questions as Obama was in Flordia that day. You attended a Church sermon and you should know exactly what time and who gave since it was full of hate.

PS: Why do attend this church anyway?

337 posted on 03/17/2008 6:11:22 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Attending the 7:30 a.m. service would give Obama plenty of time to make a 1:30 p.m. speech in Miami!

Was Obama's La Raza speech at 1:30, or did the La Raza conference start at 1:30?

If it's the latter, this is really pointless nitpicking. Even if it's the former, you're right, there's plenty of travel time to get from Point A to Point B. Especially for a prominent politician who doesn't have to deal with the same airport snags and delays the rest of us are used to.

338 posted on 03/17/2008 6:14:13 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jveritas

He did not give it at 6:00 p.m. if he was flying with Obama for this campaign speech as Obama’s spiritual advisor.


339 posted on 03/17/2008 6:20:19 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: jveritas
Yes and it is the author of the article.

Actually, it might be you. You're going above and beyond to manufacture the benefit of the doubt for B. Hussein. And you're calling the author/poster a liar, without having the courtesy to ping him when you do it.

Bad form all around. This thread certainly isn't your finest hour.

340 posted on 03/17/2008 6:21:21 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: jveritas
May be they did not see a need to answer your questions as Obama was in Flordia that day. You attended a Church sermon and you should know exactly what time and who gave since it was full of hate.

If they didn't see any need to immediately correct a story about Barack Obama attending a sermon filled with hatred and racial animus, then in my opinion, they don't deserve to win a presidential campaign. Correcting an incorrect record that damages your candidate is Political Science 101. Once again, bringing this up now rather than in August, right after the story was published, is very suspicious in my opinion. They are relying on the fact that everyone's memory has faded.

PS: Why do attend this church anyway?

That certainly isn't my regular church. I offered to attend one service, when discussing the possibility of a story with the editors of Newsmax. I have also taped their broadcasts hundreds of times for later review.

341 posted on 03/17/2008 6:23:26 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: kabar
It really doesn't matter if Obama was at a particular sermon or not. If you take a look at the church's website, TUCC, and the BLACK VALUE SYSTEM on which it is based, you can see how racist this organization is.

That's the bottom line. He knew what this pastor and his vile "church" stood for. Of course he heard this stuff in person.

It's an insult to everyone's intelligence to suggest otherwise.

342 posted on 03/17/2008 6:24:29 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: raybbr

The version of the song may have been more disrespectful than Obama not putting his hand over his heart. It seemed quite self-serving.


343 posted on 03/17/2008 6:33:17 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: GraceCoolidge

Oh..of course he knew..and when someone produces proof the man was in the audience of one of these speeches, osama is dog meat.


344 posted on 03/17/2008 6:37:10 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: Philo1962

Thanks for the ping. Please keep me updated.


345 posted on 03/17/2008 6:38:47 AM PDT by Wallaby (http://headland.blogspot.com/)
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To: jveritas
he was in Florida giving a speech to La Raza from 1:30 PM to 3:00 PM.

So, in essence, the defense is: "He couldn't have been with the militant black separatist that morning, because he was spending the afternoon with militant Mexican separatists!"

My head hurts.

346 posted on 03/17/2008 6:40:39 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: McGruff

excellent - did you make that?


347 posted on 03/17/2008 6:42:46 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Philo1962; jveritas; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Conservativegreatgrandma; SE Mom; All
I also notice that the National Council of La Raza did not say whether the senator was running late that afternoon.

Here's a little more information from Hispanic MPR to clear up that one fact, Clinton, Obama Appearances Highlightof 2007 NCLR Conference

Many attendees walked from Hall B across the large Miami Beach Convention Center, to stand in line in Hall D where Obama was scheduled to speak at 1:30 pm. The audience waited impatiently until 1:50 when Janet Murguía, president and CEO, NCLR and Maria Pesqueira of Mujeres Latinas en Accion, an NCLR affiliate, welcomed Obama enthusiastically.


348 posted on 03/17/2008 6:43:33 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: rao2000
Ah...I was hoping this story would be here. Obama caught in another lie. Surprise, surprise. Even the LA Times seems to be picking the NewsMax story up. At least on one of it's blogs.
349 posted on 03/17/2008 6:45:54 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: stockstrader
"Senator B. (whose middle name must NEVER be spoken)"

Bit like Voldemort in that respect, isn't he? "HUSSEIN"!!

350 posted on 03/17/2008 6:50:27 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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