Posted on 03/16/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT by rao2000
Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division
Jim Davis Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007
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Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."
In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22. .....
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3:00 pm in FL is 2:00 pm in Chicago. There’s an extra hour. Perfectly doable.
Where is the video. Can we obtain the video and see if we can see Obama ?
If they could get him nodding in agreement to what this guy is saying along with the rest of the crowd then he would be down for the count IMHO.
The author claims that Obama was in the morning service which by the way was not given by Wright. Please see post 300.
I did see Barack Obama that day. I said so in the article, and I’m saying so now.
I’m pretty sure they have their service times switched around on their website. If I recall correctly, Anthony Burnette gave the evening service that day (6:00 PM) and Jeremiah Wright gave the early morning service (7:30 AM).
Perhaps you can provide some insight on a question I’ve had running through my mind constantly for the last week.
As you and many of us have pointed out- all this information about Wright and Obama’s association with him has been “out there” for a year. It’s been written, blogged and published- many of us on FR were hollering about this months ago...and yet...
Why NOW? Why SUDDENLY as if by magic- is it all going mainstream? The standard answer- it’s Hillary’s minions- seems too easy.
How many people attend churches where they reject the sermons categorically?
You are actually right. At sports don’t they ask you to rise for the anthem. Hats should be removed I think.
The most obvious answer is generally the correct answer.
Normally- I’d agree. But the problem I have with that is how clear it’s been the MSM has strongly supported Obama. It seems unlikely they would suddenly obey her requests to get this story more front and center. My sense was they were really enjoying watching her decline..and in many cases, actively promoted it.
Someone has some ‘splainin to do?
Someone has some ‘splainin to do?
>>> I don’t place my hand over my heart for the Star Spangled Banner. But I do for the Pledge of Allegiance. I think that is pretty much the norm. Since this was the during the singing of the Star Spangled Banner I don’t see why it is such a big deal.
Am I missing something here?
Yep, and you are not alone, I ran into this at the Jersey shore last year. It is a sign of respect that when the SSB is played you rise, men remove the caps, and face the flag. Then if one has a cap or with bare hand should be placed over the heart.
Wildwood NJ played the SSB last year as we were walking up the boardwalk. A flag was presented as the music played. My wife and I came to a stop and did the above. I was amazed and angered that people 1.didn’t know the protocol or 2. Did not care.
It is considered disrespectful to ignore the presentation of the colors and the playing of the anthem.
Didn’t know it was US Code. Thanks for posting that. Nice graphic!
The media has been suppressing this for a long time, the divisiveness of Rev. Wright has been known from the beginning.
The only thing which has changed, the only reason why this is being brought out now by the media, is the Clintons.
ping
From a conservative standpoint, this is the beautiful thing about the 50/50 split of the left between Hillary (who wants to be the first female president) and Obama (who wants to be the first black president). Both of them have lots of friends in the mainstream news media. The news media is not some sort of monolithic hive mind where everybody thinks the same way on each and every issue, and we're seeing an example of that right now. Half of them want Hillary to be president, and the other half want Obama to be president.
So when Hillary wants everybody to see some dirt on Obama, Hillary's minions go to their friends in the media.
And when Obama wants everybody to see spome dirt on Hillary, Obama's minions go to their own friends in the media.
And all conservatives have to do is unfold some lawnchairs, pop some popcorn and watch the fireworks.
Because on national TV he told millions of Americans he was not there. If he was, he needs to be forced to eat those words.
Well, you better find out for sure. If what you're stating about seeing Obama being at one of these WRIGHT sermons is indeed a fact, then Obama is wrong and needs to explain himself.
Pretty sad that FReepers believe Obama’s hate-”church” website over you, the author of the article.
An article that was published 2 weeks after the service.
An article that could have been noticed by said “church.”
An article that could have caused said “church”’s members to re-write their timelines of services for that morning’s sermon to specifically negate your article.
A lot of could-haves or human error? I wouldn’t put anything past Obama supporters and defenders.
Smacks self upside head:) Ok- that makes more sense..
It is fascinating to watch it alllll unfold.
And the author is here in the thread standing by the claim. I’ll believe him before I believe the campaign dealing with this s***storm or the website of the “church” that created it.
The idea that Obama never heard this madman’s rantings in person is utterly ludicrous anyway, so I’m failing to see the point of this timeline game we’re playing here.
Let’s call him: REV anti-WHITE...not REV WRIGHT.
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The article says it was a Sunday morning service. Why even assume a 6:00 pm time?
Attending the 7:30 a.m. service would give Obama plenty of time to make a 1:30 p.m. speech in Miami!
FOX is saying that O was in Florida on that day...?
A bit of both, I think. He has been listening to the hate whitey diatribe so long that he actually thinks that EVERYONE thinks the same.
If nothing else, his church honoring Farrakhan as Man of the Year or whatever should have tipped Obama off.
Maybe Obama’s heart is in his pants? ;-)
That is correct, he was in Florida giving a speech to La Raza from 1:30 PM to 3:00 PM.
Your story is not adding up well. The schedule from July 22 shows that Wright was to give the Sermon at 6:00 PM and some other guy at 7:30 AM.
Yes and it is the author of the article.
See my post # 300, someone else gave the sermon at 7:30 AM and it was not Wright, he gave the sermon at 6:00 PM.
My article was published in the first week of August. Everyone's memory was still fresh. I still had all of my notes. There hadn't been a lot of time to doctor or edit any videos or websites. But the Obama camp chose to remain silent at that time. I have repeatedly called the campaign and the church, asking for an interview and mentioning the July 22 date in the messages I've left.
If Obama wasn't there, they should have spoken up right away -- immediately after the article was published. I'd bring in my notes, they'd produce their videotape, and we would get everything cleared up right away. I stand behind my story, but if I was wrong, Newsmax would have published a retraction and that would have been the end of it.
Now, after everyone's memory has faded, my notes have been taken to some landfill and there has been plenty of time to doctor the videos and the websites, the Obama campaign tries to deny he was there? They could have nipped this little problem in the bud if Obama really was not there, and they had chosen to speak up.
I think they are relying on the fact that people have fading memories about who gave the sermon in the early morning and who gave it in the evening, on a Sunday eight months ago.
I think they have the two switched around on the church website. If I recall correctly, Jeremiah Wright gave the sermon at 7:30 AM and Anthony Burnette gave the sermon at 6:00 PM. Like I said, there's been plenty of time for our memories to fade and our notes to be thrown away.
And there's been plenty of time to doctor websites and videotapes.
If Obama really wasn't there, why didn't they speak up imnmediately after my story was published in the first week of August? You've been asking a lot of questions. Answer that one.
As long as the MSM and others continue to focus on personalities like pastor Wright and speculate whether Obama was at a particular sermon or not, the better it is for Obama who can distance himself from Wright and claim he wasn't present at some of the sermons. The focus should be on the church itself and Obama's 20 year association with it. We are missing the forest for the trees.
PS: Why do attend this church anyway?
Was Obama's La Raza speech at 1:30, or did the La Raza conference start at 1:30?
If it's the latter, this is really pointless nitpicking. Even if it's the former, you're right, there's plenty of travel time to get from Point A to Point B. Especially for a prominent politician who doesn't have to deal with the same airport snags and delays the rest of us are used to.
He did not give it at 6:00 p.m. if he was flying with Obama for this campaign speech as Obama’s spiritual advisor.
Actually, it might be you. You're going above and beyond to manufacture the benefit of the doubt for B. Hussein. And you're calling the author/poster a liar, without having the courtesy to ping him when you do it.
Bad form all around. This thread certainly isn't your finest hour.
If they didn't see any need to immediately correct a story about Barack Obama attending a sermon filled with hatred and racial animus, then in my opinion, they don't deserve to win a presidential campaign. Correcting an incorrect record that damages your candidate is Political Science 101. Once again, bringing this up now rather than in August, right after the story was published, is very suspicious in my opinion. They are relying on the fact that everyone's memory has faded.
PS: Why do attend this church anyway?
That certainly isn't my regular church. I offered to attend one service, when discussing the possibility of a story with the editors of Newsmax. I have also taped their broadcasts hundreds of times for later review.
That's the bottom line. He knew what this pastor and his vile "church" stood for. Of course he heard this stuff in person.
It's an insult to everyone's intelligence to suggest otherwise.
The version of the song may have been more disrespectful than Obama not putting his hand over his heart. It seemed quite self-serving.
Oh..of course he knew..and when someone produces proof the man was in the audience of one of these speeches, osama is dog meat.
Thanks for the ping. Please keep me updated.
So, in essence, the defense is: "He couldn't have been with the militant black separatist that morning, because he was spending the afternoon with militant Mexican separatists!"
My head hurts.
excellent - did you make that?
Bit like Voldemort in that respect, isn't he? "HUSSEIN"!!
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