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Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division (Obama was present at Wright's July 22, 2007 sermon)
Newsmax ^ | Aug. 9, 2007 | OBAMA'S MAMA

Posted on 03/16/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT by rao2000

Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division

Jim Davis Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007

Reprint Information Book on Katie Couric Makes Waves White House: We're Not Subject to FOIA FBI Seeks 2 Mysterious Men on Ferry Publisher: Conservatives Do Read As Much As Liberals Romney Shrugs Off Mormon History Film

Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22. .....

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To: stockstrader

maybe he is going through life with earplugs and a big smile..lol


51 posted on 03/16/2008 10:37:56 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: rao2000
Does the article say how they know he was there? They seem to make the claim without evidence.
52 posted on 03/16/2008 10:38:05 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: stockstrader

No way! Like to have heard their ‘at home chat’!!


53 posted on 03/16/2008 10:38:05 AM PDT by potlatch
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To: Philo1962; All

I guess we are all supposed to have a willing suspension of disbelief and believe that Obama never read Wrights news letter either with the White Supremacy rants...

http://www.tucc.org/pdf/rey_5-2006.pdf


54 posted on 03/16/2008 10:38:21 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Standing by for the: if your not with us your a racist tactic.)
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To: Philo1962

They are counting on you and the issue going away as the mainstream sycophantic leftist media gradually sh!tcan this story as if it has no bearing on the fitness of this racist candidate running for president of the USA. Nita Lowey and that liberal fool Bill Bradley showed the colors this morning with Mister Potato head.


55 posted on 03/16/2008 10:38:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Kackikat
Too bad ABC, CBS, NBS or any other leftist news agency doesn’t report the news,,,,

Good post. EXACTLY!!

The 'other news channels' are doing their best to just give it 'passing mention'--and when they DO,,,,

they usually have an Senator B. (whose middle name must NEVER be spoken) Obama-APOLOGIST there,,,,

to try to deflect or minimize it.

56 posted on 03/16/2008 10:38:52 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: InterceptPoint
Duh, he is a presidential candidate attending a function with two other candidate who just happen to be placing their hands over their hearts and in one case, singing. If he is so smart, surely he would realize that the potential of pictures would exist wherever he or other candidates may be present. And, personally knowing he comes from a church of hate, one would question why he would allow himself to appear any different that his counterparts.

Yes, I said he knows he comes from a racially bigoted church that promotes hate. No one believe as a twenty year member, old jeremiah wright only delivered the racially charged sermons when hussein obama was "not present"....

57 posted on 03/16/2008 10:38:59 AM PDT by The Forgotten Man (He works, he votes, generally he prays--but he always pays....)
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To: rao2000
A visit to Wright's Trinity United is anything but Oprah-style friendly. As I approached the entrance of the church before a recent Sunday service, a large young man in an expensive suit stepped out to block the doorway. "What are you doing here?" he asked.

Sounds like the Fruit of Islam guards at Farrakhan's appearances. Obama's church has a Ministry of Internal Security. (Sounds like a 3rd World dictatorship).

How many white churches have a "Ministry of Internal Security?"

58 posted on 03/16/2008 10:40:04 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Philo1962; holdonnow; Tony Snow

Ping!


59 posted on 03/16/2008 10:40:51 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

By this picture of Obama and wright, wright looks like he to has either a white mother or father in the mix, He’s whiter than O.


60 posted on 03/16/2008 10:41:37 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: tomnbeverly
I guess we are all supposed to have a willing suspension of disbelief and believe that Obama never read Wrights news letter either with the White Supremacy rants...

Of course.

Just like Senator B. (whose middle name must NEVER be spoken) Obama was TOTALLY UNAWARE of his wife's militant anti-American beliefs,,,,

and her blatantly angry and bitter attitude toward this country!!

P.S. I thought that according to Senator B.(whose middle name must NEVER be spoken) Obama---"WORDS DO MATTER"! I guess that applies only 'selectively'...lol

61 posted on 03/16/2008 10:42:20 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: hellbender

Bouncers outside of the church!

How Christian is that?


62 posted on 03/16/2008 10:42:25 AM PDT by Palladin (Barack HUSSEIN Obama slept through the sermons.)
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To: hellbender
How many white churches have a "Ministry of Internal Security?"

No problem. I'm sure that he wasn't aware of THAT either. /s

63 posted on 03/16/2008 10:43:23 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: rao2000

I honestly don’t think it matters if he remembers he was there or not. The Clintons never remembered or knew anything until they saw it in the newspaper and that always got them off the hook.


64 posted on 03/16/2008 10:44:37 AM PDT by randita (We're having to cut back to afford gas. When's the government going to cut back!)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Not the same sermon. However, ever since Obama became a major figure in Illinois politics (when he was elected senator in 2004), I’ve been watching the televised weekly sermons from Trinity United Church of Christ and they like showing off the celebrities in the audience.

It is customary for members of that congregation to nod their heads and shout “Amen!” This is especially true when the orator says something that is racially inflammatory to white people.

Oprah Winfrey, for example, attended regularly until about 2005. But at least Oprah had enough sense to distance herself from Dr. Wright. Some African-American players for the Chicago Bulls and the Chicago bears have also attended on occasion.

Obama, like most of the other members of the congregation, will respond to racially inmflammatory rhetoric by nodding his head and shouting “Amen!” But Dr. Wright’s replacement is Rev. Otis Moss III, who is much more subtle.

Moss practices what I call “dog whistle politics.” He uses code words and phrases that do not create convenient sound bites for outsiders to understand, but his followers can understand them all too well, and they respond. Also, the delivery (inflection, tone of voice, hand gestures, pauses etc.) does not translate well to the printed page.

But make no mistake about it: Trinity United Church of Christ is fostering racial contempt, resentment and divisiveness in the United States.


65 posted on 03/16/2008 10:45:13 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Clara Lou
In addition, the mere fact that he offered such a lame excuse causes me to wonder if he were on a hallucinatory substance when he offered that excuse.

He wasn't on any substance, but for months he's been looking out on adoring crowds of dopes who act as if they were, so he thinks everyone is dumb.

66 posted on 03/16/2008 10:45:30 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
Obama's minister says God damn America
67 posted on 03/16/2008 10:45:49 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: randita
I honestly don’t think it matters if he remembers he was there or not.

Exactly!!!

The 'Ice Tea Defense' (when Al Gore stated, "I was out getting ice tea") seems to suffice just fine with the liberals/democrats and the MSM!!

68 posted on 03/16/2008 10:46:12 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: Vision
Does the article say how they know he was there? They seem to make the claim without evidence.

I am the author of the article. I was there, after I got past the huge security guard who blocked the doorway, and I saw Senator Obama sitting in a pew for the entire sermon. He's difficult to miss. Not only is his appearance rather distinctive, he is surrounded by Secret Service agents these days.

69 posted on 03/16/2008 10:47:13 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: All

I don’t care if Obama was there for that or any of Wright’s sermon. It is irrelevant. He knows now what Wright said, and so he should repudiate all Wright’s racist and anti-American comments, and publically refuse to attend his “church” ever again. What difference does it make if he was actually present or not?


70 posted on 03/16/2008 10:47:40 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: ronnie raygun

Self deprecating haters who don’t think they are black enough...

Someone needs to interview Obama’s Maternal Grandmother... Why is she being kept in seclusion... Is Obama really ashamed of his white side? Lets bring grandma Obama out and get her take on Ol Jeramiah Wright....

No Barrack the good people of Nelsonville Ohio would not feel very comfortable at your Church...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8V5ED1O0&show_article=1

Is this what we can expect from an Obama Administration... If Obama spent 20 years around this racist hate montage and wants to explain it away that he never heard any of it...then either Obama is nieve or he thinks Americans are fools to think we would put him in the WH.

Somebody needs to come up with the antecdote to that Obama-ade the young folks are drinking.


71 posted on 03/16/2008 10:48:01 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Standing by for the: if your not with us your a racist tactic.)
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To: ronnie raygun
My guess is that is why they hate whitey so much. Neither are authentically black and because they have to admit they have white blood makes their blood boil. Such a convoluted view....
72 posted on 03/16/2008 10:48:08 AM PDT by The Forgotten Man (He works, he votes, generally he prays--but he always pays....)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Obama's minister says God damn America

Senator B. (whose middle name must NEVER be spoken) Obama made a simple mistake. He THOUGHT that Wright said, "GOD LOVES AMERICA".

Easy mistake--could have happened to anyone. Just a bit of miscommunication....nothing more. /s

73 posted on 03/16/2008 10:48:30 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: Philo1962
They have refused to comment, refused to return numerous phone calls, and generally stonewalled me.

Obama is clearly in "play it safe" mode. That is, they have the lead and are "playing not to lose", like a football team that goes to a "pre-vent defense". They won't need the press again until the Obama star falls far enough.

74 posted on 03/16/2008 10:48:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: harwood

It had to be taked in early July since the date on the jpeg is 7/16.

Look at the sermons prior to that.


75 posted on 03/16/2008 10:48:59 AM PDT by Raebie
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To: tomnbeverly

Good find. There’s another one where Wright says that the NY Times serves as a blog for the Republican Party. LOL.


76 posted on 03/16/2008 10:49:28 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: rao2000

That’s it! He was there when the hate was being spewed. Did he get up and walk out?


77 posted on 03/16/2008 10:50:09 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: rao2000
People seem to miss the point that Wright's rants are really not about race but the typical radical left USA hating politics wrapped in race to get Wright audience to buy in...

Wright is a typical left sham camouflaging his agenda in a "Black" & "Christian" rhetoric but giving a bottom line message that is the same as a Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Norm Chomsky, Lenin, Marx...(White Atheist) while slamming other blacks that do not tow a hard radical left politics line

Obama, if you look at his other associates, look to be the same, a sham persona that hides the real agenda of hard USA hating radical left politics

78 posted on 03/16/2008 10:50:15 AM PDT by tophat9000 (:[....)
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To: MHGinTN
They are counting on you and the issue going away as the mainstream sycophantic leftist media gradually sh!tcan this story as if it has no bearing on the fitness of this racist candidate running for president of the USA. Nita Lowey and that liberal fool Bill Bradley showed the colors this morning with Mister Potato head.

I think you're wrong. Both Hillary and Obama have a lot of friends in the mainstream media. Hillary's friends want to torpedo Obama. Obama's friends want to torpedo Hillary. All we have to do is unfold the lawnchairs, pop some popcorn and watch the fireworks.

By Labor Day, whoever finally wins the nomination is going to battered, bloody, exhausted and broke. The other half of the Democratic Party is going to be bitter and resentful. And McCain will be just warming up

79 posted on 03/16/2008 10:50:25 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Crimson Elephant
I can’t believe I did not proofread and catch “worser”...ugh. I deserve ridicule.

Oh hell, that's not the worstest word that's ever been posted at FR.

But since you insist...nah, nah, nah...

80 posted on 03/16/2008 10:51:36 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Robwin
What difference does it make if he was actually present or not?

Because he has already said on the record that he wasn't there. This observation confirms that he is much more of a liar than others had suspected.

81 posted on 03/16/2008 10:52:00 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: stockstrader

Exactly.... WORDS LIKE the good Jeramiah Wright spouts from his podium of hate.... No wonder why Obama wants to run his foreign policy so nievely he has been led to believe that the world hates America because we are a White Supremicist run government.... Hey Obama I got news for you I don’t think militant Islam cares about the color of our skin they hate All Americans equally..... Unless of course you are a follower of Louis Farrakahn and his Isalm of racial hate.


82 posted on 03/16/2008 10:52:25 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Standing by for the: if your not with us your a racist tactic.)
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To: Petronski

Going to be an interesting week ahead!


83 posted on 03/16/2008 10:52:26 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: rao2000
"OBAMA WAS PRESENT" AT WRIGHT'S SERMON ON JULY 22 '07

This lying parsing pol has attended and listened to
and has had Wright as his spiritual advisor for twenty years.

He can not distance himself from the Racism and anti-Semitism of Rev Wright.

Rev Wright is not a follower of Yah'shua, the creator of the universe !

Rev Wright is a follower of Karl Marx and the Evil One: haSatan.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
84 posted on 03/16/2008 10:52:41 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Robwin

The relevance is, he has categorically stated he was never there to hear such inflamatory comments. THAT is a blatant, amateurish lie and he should be entraped by it because he is a product of a hate-mongering racist church. If this were a white supremecist we’re examining, think of how it would be covered by the leftist mainstream media!


85 posted on 03/16/2008 10:52:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Philo1962

Obama’s new pastor, Moss, is a self-proclaimed admirer of black radical Cornell West and white radical Michael Lerner (SDS alumnus). Google those guys and you will see that the problem with Obama & his church won’t go away just because they put Revvum Wright in the closet.


86 posted on 03/16/2008 10:53:06 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Robwin
What difference does it make if he was actually present or not?

Because he has publicly stated that he was NOT there....EVER!!!!

If Senator B. (whose middle name must NOT be spoken) Obama was there---it will remove all doubt (except for liberals and democrats...lol) that he is a blatant, shameless, bald-faced LIAR!

87 posted on 03/16/2008 10:53:37 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Obama is clearly in "play it safe" mode. That is, they have the lead and are "playing not to lose", like a football team that goes to a "pre-vent defense". They won't need the press again until the Obama star falls far enough.

After the mainstream media finally discovered the Obama-Wright connection last week, Obama was personally visiting the editorial boards of the Chicago Tribune, the Chicago Sun Times and NBC-5 news. There was a photo of Obama on one side of the table and the editorial board on the other, covering the front page of the Sun Times on Thursday.

Obama knows he's in trouble now. When it was just me and a few others in the conservative media talking about it, he knew he could get away with it.

88 posted on 03/16/2008 10:53:43 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: The Forgotten Man

Self loathing is the term. And I agree, Revrund Wright looks to be of a mixed heritage as well.


89 posted on 03/16/2008 10:54:08 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Yoi. And double yoi.)
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To: Raebie

I’ve asked the CSM to give me the date the photo was taken.


90 posted on 03/16/2008 10:54:45 AM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: Kackikat

RUSH: ... Now, we need to get some credit to somebody. Brian Ross is the one Drive-By reporter who’s following up the story and reporting on it. Now, the Wall Street Journal had a column today by Ronald Kessler, but yesterday Brian Ross at ABC did. We’ve gotta give credit where credit is due. The rest of the Drive-Bys are wishing they could make this go away, because they know it is not helpful to Obama. But Brian Ross, we’ve had our disagreements with him in the past, but he’s been in there on this one.


91 posted on 03/16/2008 10:55:53 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Philo1962

They say to some politics is religion... Maybe this is the begining of a Secatrain civil war in the Democrat party... hmmmm interesting.


92 posted on 03/16/2008 10:56:36 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Standing by for the: if your not with us your a racist tactic.)
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To: Miss Didi
The rest of the Drive-Bys are wishing they could make this go away, because they know it is not helpful to Obama.

EXACTLY!!!

The MSM (Fox excepted) is giving it 'passing mention'--while usually including a Senator B. (whose middle name must NEVER be spoken) Obama-APOLOGIST there--to help deflect, obfuscate or minimize any affect.

93 posted on 03/16/2008 10:57:51 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: Philo1962

Did you happen to catch the spin from both Lowey and Bradley this morning? And they were more in agreement (albeit strained) than opposition in trying to sweep this under the rug to avoid the conflict in the open. THAT is the key, to keep this war in the open rather than allowing the dnc to shovel it into the cloakroom for settlement.


94 posted on 03/16/2008 11:00:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: umgud

Does anyone else wonder why this poster just joined today?

There were 3 posts yesterday by a new poster, LJayne
One of the posts from yesterday.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1986352/posts

All getting us fired up on BO.

Wondering if these posters are from Hillary’s team. Anyone else wonder why the Clintons are not fired up over these tapes, especially since the Rev. went on about how Bill Clinton did them like he did Monica.
Sure seems odd to me.


95 posted on 03/16/2008 11:00:41 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: harwood

The photo is an October 31, 2004 file photo taken by Nam Y Huh of the AP.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0c29cez0gz3TF


96 posted on 03/16/2008 11:02:20 AM PDT by Raebie
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To: sweetiepiezer

Gud point. You know Hill’s team has gotta be spreadin the cheer.


97 posted on 03/16/2008 11:02:40 AM PDT by umgud
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To: MHGinTN
Did you happen to catch the spin from both Lowey and Bradley this morning? And they were more in agreement (albeit strained) than opposition in trying to sweep this under the rug to avoid the conflict in the open.

Yes I did see that.

It was obvious that they BOTH realized (yes, even Slick Hillie's supporter, Lowey) that this is NOT an issue with democrats (who embrace black racism)---but WILL be an issue this fall!!!!

If you want to SPLIT this country even further WIDE OPEN along racial lines,,,

Senator B. (whose middle name must NEVER be spoken) and his anti-American, bitter and angry wife are the,,,,

RIGHT COUPLE AT THE RIGHT TIME!!

98 posted on 03/16/2008 11:02:46 AM PDT by stockstrader (Voting for CHANGE by voting for Obama--is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: johniegrad

Ok, I will agree with that. It proves he is a liar. But here is a guy who claims he want to heal our racial divisions, and bring unity among all people. My point is he ought first repudiate the racism of his pastor, which he cannot now claim he doesn’t know about, whether he was in church that day, or any other day.

Btw, here is a recent story from Breitbart (via Drudge):

“PLAINFIELD, Ind. (AP) - Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday decried “the forces of division” over race that he said are intruding into the Democratic presidential nomination contest.

“We have to come together,” he told a town-hall meeting at a high school.

He cited videos of inflammatory sermons given by his pastor that are now being used as political ammunition against him—remarks that Obama has denounced.

“If all I knew were those statements I saw on television, I would be shocked,” Obama said.

Obama suggested that more and more is being made of racial divisions as his contest with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton heats up.

“I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again. And I’m not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody, you know, senses that there’s been this shift,” Obama said.”

Right, Senator. The “forces of division” do not include your racist and anti-American pastor, but rather those who post videos of his scurrilous comments. Ya dork.


99 posted on 03/16/2008 11:02:51 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: tomnbeverly
I guess we are all supposed to have a willing suspension of disbelief and believe that Obama never read Wrights news letter either with the White Supremacy rants...

When you're a politician, you invest 15 minutes every morning before breakfast, scanning the headlines to see whether any of your political allies are in trouble. That's if you didn't already get a phone call from someone the night before.

At the very least, you have a trusted staff member who skims all those headlines, reads the articles of interest and gives you a detailed report each and every morning before breakfast. This is a no-brainer. It is essential for political survival.

Obama did this to himself. Dr. Wright's inflammatory rhetoric has been published in the Chicago Sun Times and the Chicago Tribune for several years. It's even been published in the New York Times for the past 14 months.

Obama also has a little problem called Tony Rezko. Tony is in the habit of approaching contractors who are bidding for business with the state government of Illinois -- to build bridges, repair roads, build prisons or whatever -- and he tells them that if they donate money to political campaigns of prominent Illinois Democrats, they're more likely to get the contract. But if they don't donate and donate generously, they'll never get the contract. This is a felony.

Tony's trial started last week. Obama has admitted that Tony raised a total of more than $250,000 for the various Obama political campaigns over the years. But it was made public back in 2004 that Tony was under investigation -- at the same time Obama was appearing, smiling and waving at the adoring crowds of Democrat donors, at Tony Rezko's fundraisers while he was running for the senate in 2004.

Like I said, Obama did this to himself.

100 posted on 03/16/2008 11:03:23 AM PDT by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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