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UK: White men could be legally blocked from jobs under new anti-discrm. laws being considered
DailyNews.uk ^ | 16th March 2008 | DANIEL MARTIN

Posted on 03/16/2008 12:18:56 PM PDT by yankeedame

Harman's law to reject white workers for ethnic minorities is slammed by campaigners

By DANIEL MARTIN
Last updated at 19:11pm on 16th March 2008

White men could be legally blocked from getting jobs under new anti-discrimination laws being considered by Labour.

Employers would be able to give jobs to women or ethnic minority candidates in preference to other applicants, under the plans unveiled by equalities minister Harriet Harman.

If two candidates were equally qualified for a position, employers would be able to reject the white person or the man in favour of a black person or a woman.

But the plans are due to be criticised by business leaders and last night, even equalities campaigners expressed doubt.

Miss Harman - known as Harriet Harperson for her politically correct views - wants to look at how to bring U.S.-style "positive action" to Britain, saying it is vital to ensure the workforce more accurately reflects the demographic make-up of the population.

She says too many women and people from ethnic minorities are being held back because they cannot break through the "glass ceiling".

The new laws would only come into play where two equally qualified candidates had applied for the same post, allowing the employer to tip the balance in favour of minority candidates.

Businesses would not be compelled to favour the female or black candidate but the law would be changed to ensure they could not be sued for turning down a white man.

The proposals would also allow universities to select more female students in male-dominated subjects such as science.

But equal rights campaigners said the new rules would have a limited effect, and that action should be targeted on equal pay.

Katherine Rake of the Fawcett Society, which campaigns on equal pay, said: "How you would really hold that up in a court of law is not clear and, if it isn't, employers may be reluctant to use it.

"You are probably talking about a handful of cases."

The present law says employers are allowed to say they welcome applications from minority candidates, and they are allowed to promote jobs to specific groups.

Theresa May, Conservative spokesperson for women, said: "One of the real problems facing women today is the gender pay gap.

"If Harriet Harman really wants to help women in the work place she should strengthen the existing laws on equal pay. We have recently put forward proposals to do just that and our proposals would have a real impact on women's lives."

A spokesman for Harriet Harman said: "This is under discussion but no decisions have yet been made."

The changes would be included in the new equalities Bill, which will also give new rights to mothers to breast-feed in public. Golf clubs would have to give female players equal access.

Miss Harman also wants to force companies to conduct "pay audits", reviewing staff salaries to ensure they are not underpaying women.

But she is facing opposition from within the Cabinet on this from ministers who are worried about antagonising business yet further.

Last year Miss Harman called for all-black shortlists in constituencies with high ethnic-minority populations.

She said that unless action was taken, it would take decades for the make-up of the Commons to accurately reflect the make-up of British society.

But the plan immediately came under attack from ethnic minority MPs on the Labour backbenchers - saying black people should be selected on merit


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: discrimination; preferences; whitemales; workplace

1 posted on 03/16/2008 12:18:58 PM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame

Orwellian term: “equalities minister.”


2 posted on 03/16/2008 12:23:07 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: yankeedame
Not really that much different than Gov’t hiring and awards of ‘Scholarships’ here. The wave of the future and it only goes further with time.

Equality of outcome v. Equality of Opportunity is the goal that, once met, will be exceeded.

3 posted on 03/16/2008 12:24:38 PM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: yankeedame
Q: Who is most privileged in today's America?

A: A black one-legged jobless lesbian unwed mother.

4 posted on 03/16/2008 12:25:34 PM PDT by Freelance Warrior (The barbarian)
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To: yankeedame
People who fought for equal rights are turning in their graves. Discrimination and racism are now back again - soon with the support of both law and conscience.
5 posted on 03/16/2008 12:27:13 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: Freelance Warrior

you left out atheist dwarf


6 posted on 03/16/2008 12:28:01 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Freelance Warrior

Not to forget atheist, democrat voting and child aborting.


7 posted on 03/16/2008 12:28:53 PM PDT by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Orwellian term

Yep. "Favoritism is equality, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength." You can't say the lady isn't consistent.

8 posted on 03/16/2008 12:32:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TLI

you left out ILLEGALS


9 posted on 03/16/2008 12:33:08 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Freelance Warrior

“A: A black one-legged jobless lesbian unwed mother.”

I was going to say a Black, blind, lesbian Ferret farmer but yours is pretty good.


10 posted on 03/16/2008 12:33:59 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: yankeedame
*******If two candidates were equally qualified for a position, employers would be able to reject the white person or the man in favour of a black person or a woman.******

What are the Brits complaining about? Here in America, a minority person whether he is equally qualified or not gets the position before the white person.

11 posted on 03/16/2008 12:36:46 PM PDT by GOPologist (GUN CONTROL: using both hands.)
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To: GOPologist

We seem to be applying affirmative action to our presidential selection process....


12 posted on 03/16/2008 12:41:16 PM PDT by MichiganCheese (Vote for the liars, they promise you more of other people's stuff.)
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To: alecqss

If there was such blatant discrimination against natives, the rage over that and the lack of protection against criminals is going to bubble up into a new regime. “Rights for English first. Safety for all.”
This is going to blow up very badly.


13 posted on 03/16/2008 12:43:24 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: yankeedame

Is Barak “Barry” Hussein Osama Obama also running for office in the UK?

It sounds like a plan thought up in that church of his.


14 posted on 03/16/2008 12:43:49 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: yankeedame
"U.S.-style 'positive action'"?

First time I have encountered that term.

"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

15 posted on 03/16/2008 12:50:12 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: yankeedame

“UK: White men could be legally blocked from jobs under new anti-discrm. laws being considered”

You could cut the irony with a knife. I wonder if the government recognizes that?


16 posted on 03/16/2008 12:51:19 PM PDT by Grunthor (I have no representative government, I am a conservative.)
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To: yankeedame
This kind of thing is no joke--as a white woman whose husband was unable to work for a year-2 kids in HS, one at Univ. I was called to interview for a state job where I was fully qualified and high on the register--93 pts. After being interviewed and chosen by managers twice, I could not be hired until every minority above the grade of 70pts. was hired or turned the job down.

I was so incensed, I called the dept. head at state capitol and told him I could not afford to travel to more job interviews just to be chosen and then rejected by the state authorities.

After I complained, in a short time I was called for a 4 month temporary job at the rank for which I was registered. While in that capacity, I finally got on permanently.That is where I learned to hate the beaurocracy from the inside.

It is darned frustrating to be rolled for a job by a less qualified applicant just because of the color of our skins.

vaudine

17 posted on 03/16/2008 12:55:11 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: yankeedame

Only to a liberal does discrimination against one group constitute equality.

1984:
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Power


18 posted on 03/16/2008 1:04:16 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Freelance Warrior

Q: Who is most privileged in today’s America?
A: A black one-legged jobless lesbian unwed mother with AIDS that is an illegal alien.


19 posted on 03/16/2008 1:04:48 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: yankeedame
White men could be legally blocked from getting jobs under new anti-discrimination laws being considered by Labour.

Two wrongs do not make a right, except when you're turning left.

20 posted on 03/16/2008 1:04:58 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (I have great faith in the American people. I have no faith in the American government, however.)
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To: yankeedame
it is vital to ensure the workforce more accurately reflects the demographic make-up of the population.

Vital to whom? Certainly not the white men that are being discriminated against.

So-called "affirmative action" here in the US does the same thing. PC requires that jobs be filled according to demographics, regardless of whether or not people are actually qualified for the positions.

21 posted on 03/16/2008 1:13:27 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: yankeedame
The new laws would only come into play where two equally qualified candidates had applied for the same post, allowing the employer to tip the balance in favour of minority candidates.

In this context, "equally qualified" means "both meet the minimum requirements". Thus, if the white is MUCH MORE qualified, the black gets it as long as the black meets the minimum

Which will result in the minimum requirements being brought lower and lower until "enough" blacks qualify to be hired

22 posted on 03/16/2008 1:19:41 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: rabscuttle385

This scheme is not as far-fetched as it may seem. Indeed, there is legal precedent for this idea. Dr. Wilhelm Stuckart was able to succinctly create a legal framework for this scheme quite a while back. That framework was called the Nuremberg Laws. The left has learned well from Dr. Stuckart.


23 posted on 03/16/2008 1:22:12 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: TCats
Not really that much different than Gov’t hiring and awards of ‘Scholarships’ here.

No question about it -- at the federal level hiring is strongly influenced by "affirmative action". Then there's another similar set of obstacles for promotions.

24 posted on 03/16/2008 1:23:36 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: FormerACLUmember; yankeedame

“Orwellian term: “equalities minister.””

Sad to say we preceded them in this with “affirmative action”.


25 posted on 03/16/2008 1:33:01 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: yankeedame

I was at Carls Jr. here in Los Angeles and trying to ask the girl behind the counter if I could still drink a shake or do their new shakes require a spoon. The guy behind me, seeing my frustration in trying to communicate with someone with limited English told me that he applied for a job here and was turned down because he didn’t speak Mexican (ok,… he said Spanish, I say Mexican).


26 posted on 03/16/2008 1:38:13 PM PDT by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: yankeedame

This already happens in the UK and here. The only difference is that they aren’t afraid to admit that the purpose of all this is to wipe out Whites from Western Civilization and give it to non-reproducing entities, or to savages.


27 posted on 03/16/2008 1:54:41 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: yankeedame

Only communists could call it anti-discrimination when they discriminate against Whites.


28 posted on 03/16/2008 1:56:55 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: yankeedame

This is already happening in the US in schools and jobs. The left spins it a few different ways, but it’s undeniable.


29 posted on 03/16/2008 2:10:16 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Holding my nose in 2008. I disagree with McCain on lots of issue, but with the Democrats on more.)
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To: yankeedame

Big business was the main push behind it here. Corporations funded the front-activists and lawyers to do it. Quite a few Fortune 500s paid for filing briefs in favor of “affirmative action” in a Michigan University case not long ago.


30 posted on 03/16/2008 2:13:58 PM PDT by familyop (Lowly, worthless male weekend warrior trash has-been with no degree.)
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To: yankeedame
White men could be legally blocked from getting jobs under new anti-discrimination laws being considered by Labour.

The US has had such programs for over thirty years. We've even provided generous tax credits to businesses to discriminate against qualified white males.

The effects are obvious. We've gone from being the world's leading economic superpower to a hollow nation perched on the brink of a major depression.

31 posted on 03/16/2008 2:22:50 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: CodeToad

The Brits just continue to out-do themselves.
32 posted on 03/16/2008 2:55:55 PM PDT by realdifferent1 (What do the people of China call their good plates?)
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