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Al Qaeda Document: Zarqawi Came to Iraq Before The War To Prepare The Fight Against U.S
Al Qaeda document | March 16 2008 | jveritas

Posted on 03/16/2008 2:49:59 PM PDT by jveritas

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To: piasa; jveritas
"... Zarqawi didn't formally swear the oath to Bin Laden until well after the invasion of Iraq."

al-Zarqawi ran some of the training camps in Afghanistan. He was pure al-Qaeda.

151 posted on 03/17/2008 5:47:58 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

Absolutely correct.


152 posted on 03/17/2008 6:13:21 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: april15Bendovr

Actually, she has a book, which I’ve been meaning to read. Gerald Posner, in “While America Slept,” mentions in a footnote that to many people, the Iraqi/Arab terrorist connections to OK City are still not conclusively ruled out.


153 posted on 03/17/2008 6:24:16 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

There is an entire chapter on Ansar Islam’s presence in Iraq in “Masters of Chaos”.

Talks about their Iranian connection & the fact that their fortress close to the Iranian border contained a possible chemical weapons facility.


154 posted on 03/17/2008 6:34:08 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Hunter-Thompson not Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: wordsofearnest

Operation Viking Hammer @ Sargat.


155 posted on 03/17/2008 6:38:17 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Hunter-Thompson not Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: LS

PBS video What Laurie Mylroie stated before and after 9/11
PBS Charlie Rose ^ | 11/30/07

Posted on 12/31/2007 5:05:30 PM EST by april15Bendovr

If you have the time these two interviews with Laurie Mylroie on Charlie Rose PBS program are very interesting. When Bill Clinton’s name is brought up in the 2002 video Charlie Rose gets very uncomfortable? wonder why.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946473/posts


156 posted on 03/17/2008 6:50:00 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: jveritas

Interestingly, the comment of jihadists sound like speeches of Democrats.


157 posted on 03/17/2008 6:55:59 AM PDT by drzz
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To: piasa

“That Zarqawi- then of the al Tawhid group- and Mullah Krekar’s Ansar al Islam group are connected is old news.”

I agree but Krekar’s court trial in Sweden is recent where a lot of new information has come out.


158 posted on 03/17/2008 6:57:59 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: piasa

My apologies

Krekar lived in Sweden

The trial was in Oslo Norway


159 posted on 03/17/2008 7:25:23 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: jveritas; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

Absolutley awesome work, jv.

Last week’s pentagon report was very slippery in claiming that there were “no direct operational ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda.”

Saying “no direct...” could mean “yes, there were indirect...” “ties.”

Saying “no operational...” could mean “yes, there were “training” or “logistical” or “intelligence” or etc “ties.”

Your translation demonstrates that there were definitely “indirect” ties.


160 posted on 03/17/2008 7:30:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
Your translation demonstrates that there were definitely “indirect” ties.

No doubt about it. At least Saddam regime knew about that Al Qaeda was setting up terrorist cells in Iraq.

161 posted on 03/17/2008 7:41:28 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

Well noted and well said.


162 posted on 03/17/2008 7:42:43 AM PDT by mtntop3
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To: piasa
Norway is having a hard time getting rid of Krekar. They don't want to send him back to Iraq due to their liberal policies where he would face terrorism charges (death penalty)

Yet simultaneously they don't feel safe having him in Norway due to their own terrorism concerns.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/19/europe/EU-GEN-Norway-Terror-Assessment.php

Islamic extremists pose rising challenge to Norway, police intelligence agency says

“Iraqi Kurd Mullah Krekar, who founded the al-Qaida-linked extremist group Ansar al-Islam, is a refugee in Norway, but was declared a threat to national security in 2005 and ordered deported. He has not yet been expelled.”

http://www.islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan/How-Norway-Mad-Mullah-Plays-the-System.htm

How Norway's Mad Mullah Plays the System

“In May 2004, Norway's then prime minister Kjell Magne Bondevik said in parliament: “Mullah Krekar is expelled from Norway and so we want to deport him. We begin the process now because there are plans to install an Iraqi government. But we cannot send a man back to a country where he risks a death sentence or other inhuman treatment.”

163 posted on 03/17/2008 7:50:20 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: jveritas; ikez78; 4woodenboats; Milligan; sono; Southack; ilgipper; Lowcountry; navyguy; ...
Just got off the phone with Jveritas

We have contact name for John McCains office.

She is the press adviser and her name is Rachel Dean.

We would like to compose a letter but use the talent of this entire room to format it.

Its going to be interesting but please give your ideas of a well written letter we can provide John McCain along with information on how he could inform the public.

164 posted on 03/17/2008 11:42:21 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr
Chris

Thank you for posting this. I think we should send the McCain campaign the translation and the original Arabic document which I just e-mailed you. You may also want to add that we have other captured Iraqi documents that talks about Saddam regime training Foreign Arab terrorists (non Iraqi) since the year 1999 and that in the months of March and April 2003 they trained them to conduct terrorist attacks against US troops and Saddam issued a decree stating that the foreign Arab terrorist shall be treated as if they are special Iraqi forces.

165 posted on 03/17/2008 11:50:37 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: april15Bendovr
One thing that should be noted is that the new Pentagon Report says that Saddam directly funded the terrorist group "Islamic Jihad." And from the 9/11 Commission Report it says that prior to the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania being blown up in 1998 that al-Zawahiri's group "Islamic Jihad" merged with Osama's terrorist groups.

911 Commission: 2.1 A DECLARATION OF WAR

"On February 23, 1998, Bin Ladin issued his public fatwa. The language had been in negotiation for some time, as part of the merger under way between Bin Ladin's organization and Zawahiri's Egyptian Islamic Jihad."

"Declarations taking credit for the attacks had already been faxed to the joint al Qaeda-Egyptian Islamic Jihad office in Baku,..."

"On the morning of August 7, the bomb-laden trucks drove into the embassies roughly five minutes apart-about 10:35 A.M. in Nairobi and 10:39 A.M. in Dar es Salaam.... The attack on the U.S. embassy in Nairobi destroyed the embassy and killed 12 Americans and 201 others, almost all Kenyans. About 5,000 people were injured. The attack on the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam killed 11 more people,..."

166 posted on 03/17/2008 11:51:21 AM PDT by avacado
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To: april15Bendovr; jveritas
J, see post 166.

Also here is the transcript of the terrorists who got caught attempting a chemical attack in Jordan to kill 80,000 people and to hit US interests as they confess. They discuss how they set up camp in Iraq with Al Zarqawi after Afghanistan fell to the coalition forces.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=20579

167 posted on 03/17/2008 11:54:05 AM PDT by avacado
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To: april15Bendovr

One thing I would make sure of is that regardless of the wording the letter should be in MLA format to the extent possible.


168 posted on 03/17/2008 11:59:07 AM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: april15Bendovr
It should make the point that contrary to "conventional wisdom," the evidence is overwhelming that there were not only terrorists in Iraq, but that there were al-Qaeda members in Iraq.

It should further note that "operational" support for 9/11 which did NOT occur, was far, far different from general aid, comfort, and financial support by Iraq for terrorist activities. Saddam did this. The record is clear and undeniable. There were AQ in Iraq in 2002, and there have been terrorists operating out of Iraq for a decade.

169 posted on 03/17/2008 12:13:08 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: avacado

Excellent info Tom.


170 posted on 03/17/2008 12:15:41 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Canedawg; All

The main point

Few weeks age there was an public exchange between Obama and McCain. Obama responded “We have some news for Senator McCain Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before the war.” We Want to provide McCain with info where he could turn around and state “Senator Obama we have some news for you Zarqawi and al qaeda cells were in Iraq before the war and we have documentation to prove it.”

Also please see Jveritas post # 165


171 posted on 03/17/2008 12:20:26 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: navyguy

My wife is an editor so she could help me with the MLA format.


172 posted on 03/17/2008 12:22:39 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: jveritas
Amazing find.

Thanks.

L

173 posted on 03/17/2008 12:27:10 PM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: april15Bendovr; LS

“It should make the point that contrary to “conventional wisdom,” the evidence is overwhelming that there were not only terrorists in Iraq, but that there were al-Qaeda members in Iraq.”

This is a daunting task, and could prove to be pivotal.

Not only must this show that Che Hussein Obarry was wrong, but it is also taking on the MSM, by producing EVIDENCE that has not been reported to the general public by the MSM.

By stating facts that are “contrary to conventional wisdom”,the issue of why conventional knowledge is inaccurate is also being called into question- it isnt just about Barry’s ignorance.

It is also about re-setting the paradigm through which people view Iraq.


174 posted on 03/17/2008 12:32:11 PM PDT by Canedawg (No Che Hussein NObama, and Hildebeast, too)
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To: Canedawg; jveritas

Ping to post #174


175 posted on 03/17/2008 12:35:01 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: LS

We are going to include the mention of other translated documents that Joseph has worked on. I havent spoken to Joseph about it yet but this document would be good which he posted here at Free Republic from the Harmony Database.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825605/posts

Captured Al Qaeda Document Shows Bin Laden Deputy Aymen Al Zawahiri Visited Iraq.
Combating Terrorism Center at West Point ^ | April 29 2007 | jveritas


176 posted on 03/17/2008 12:48:51 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Thanks Ernest.


177 posted on 03/17/2008 1:04:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: jveritas

If I were to write the letter, I’d do a cover letter that outlines the basics of what’s been found, then either include the material, or links to the material. I have heard that emails are not always read, and wonder if this should be sent via registered mail or even messenger. I hesitate to suggest the wording, because I always end up in “what’s the matter that you can’t research this even slightly” mode—calmer heads must prevail!


178 posted on 03/17/2008 1:27:12 PM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: Tut

Ping


179 posted on 03/17/2008 1:32:11 PM PDT by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: sammyjo

Read an article on the Weekly Standard, by Stephen Hayes, that’s not at all what the Pentagon report said, just what the MSM want you to believe.


180 posted on 03/17/2008 1:32:40 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: xzins

There is no “could” about the lawyer weasel words that were used in the Pentagon report. They said exactly what they meant to say and avoided saying anything that could be controversial.

It’s election time and it seems that even the Pentagon has a finger in the wind.


181 posted on 03/17/2008 1:40:59 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: Eva
And remember that March 19th is the 5th year Anniversary of the Iraq Invasion.

The drive by media will do all they can to make it a negative accomplishment.

182 posted on 03/17/2008 2:01:23 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: MizSterious; april15Bendovr

Thank you very much for the input, we greatly appreciate it.


183 posted on 03/17/2008 2:03:16 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: april15Bendovr

Dear Sen. McCain:

A key to your victory in November will be to do a better job than the Administration has in convincing the voting public that the Liberation of Iraq was (1) legitimate, (2) wise and (3) successful.

Grass-roots translations of documents found in Iraq and released for public review by the Pentagon have provided some valuable information which speaks to these three points:

(1) Legtitimacy. This should be the easiest point to support. Saddam was repeatedly in violation of the 1991 terms of armistice following our defense of our ally Kuwait. Having tried leaving Saddam in place as a counterbalance to an ambitious Iran, we had every right to finish the job based on Saddam’s violations. In addition, the above-mentioned open-source translations have revealed collaborations between al Qaeda and Saddam’s Iraq. [citations] Saddam had supportive links with al Qaeda and had his own terrorist training ground at Salman Pak. He had to go.

(2) Wisdom. Every Western intelligence agency—EVERY one—concluded that Saddam’s WMD boasts were true. However, only small amounts of WMDs have been found to-date, though those included hundreds of tons of yellocake uranium ore which Iraq did, indeed, purchase from Africa. With the press content to spotlight the paucity of WMDs and leave it at that, its whys have not been adequately explored. Iraq has the area of California and approximately one coalition troop per square mile. We’ve found entire fighter jets buried in the sand; it is certainly conceivable that compact stashes of biological, chemical or nuclear weapons-stock remain hidden within Iraq’s borders. In addition, some truck convoys to Syria during the interminable diplomatic runup to the US’s action remain to be explained. In any case, regime change was the stated policy of the U.S. since 1998, but this remained mere words until 9/11 focused our attention. Given the horrors of 9/11 and Saddam’s well-documented support of terrorists including al Qaeda, and given Iraq’s tactically central role in the region, it was manifestly wise for its Liberation to be pursued.

(3) Success. Iraq has had free elections resulting in a stable, popularly-supported government. The purple fingers and smiling faces of newly liberated Iraqi voters form an iconic picture for this decade. “The Surge” for which you were an early and effective advocate has resulted in near-pacification of the entire country. Al Qaeda, lured into Iraq through their alliance with Saddam as documented by the grass-roots translations [citation], is shattered. If there is one clear lesson, it is that we should have clamped down on border security harder and sooner, as 70% or more of the “insurgents” (to use the media’s watered-down term for terrorists) are outsiders lured to Iraq through fundamentalist jihad. But this has been a war unlike any other, and while the troops killed and injured are very regrettable, the casualty rate is unprecedentedly low, and their sacrifice has freed a people and reconfigured a region... for the better.

We urge you to be forthright, bold and proud in advocating for America’s Liberation of Iraq. As history unfolds, the three points above will gain increasing acceptance. But the time to begin espousing them is now.


184 posted on 03/17/2008 2:12:32 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

One of the largest problems we will have with Senator McCain is he is proud being a founder incorporating The 9/11 Commission. The 9/11 Commission was incompetent on Salman Pak nearing being brain dead.


185 posted on 03/17/2008 2:36:13 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr
There is a concise analysis of the truth of and contradictions of the Pentagon report on a site called, The Red Hunter. I checked some of his links and it looks like he may be a Freeper because some WA DC freepers are mentioned on the links. Anyway, check it out.

The RedHunter, Iraqi Perspectives Project

186 posted on 03/17/2008 2:40:19 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: Eva

I wish this person could step forward and give us a hand.


187 posted on 03/17/2008 3:29:07 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: april15Bendovr

I was thinking of emailing the person and asking for permission to use his work. I hate to quote someone without permission.


188 posted on 03/17/2008 3:47:11 PM PDT by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: piasa
If you are a liberal you can try to CYA by noting he wasn't "real" AQ until he swore the oath, I suppose

Yes that's probably their talking points which is pure BS. Our side has to get better on standing firm and ridiculing these lame defenses the dems put forward. So far the dems have been able to get away with many of these tactics. Our problem is much larger than the Iraq issue. It involves basic debate tactics 101.

189 posted on 03/17/2008 4:05:53 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: april15Bendovr; jveritas
What a great idea, to send a comprehensive letter to the McCain group. One can offer say, a solid verifiable bullet list within the body, with a promise to follow through with additional add ons as required.
Keeping the initial contact letter to a minimum (don't want to make their heads swirl, but attract their interest), may be advisable.
With the knowledge they would be supported with any translated document along with some solid verifiable news reports by well known L/MSM that supported evidence found in the past, perhaps they may bite.
I am sure any references made regarding work Stephen Hayes has done also would have merit. They need some near smoking guns, something no one can try to twist should McCain venture on this path during the debates, or in future campaign speeches. We need someone that has the skill set to comprise a letter in a form that would be best received.
190 posted on 03/17/2008 4:17:40 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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To: april15Bendovr
Three facts that are clear -
1. Al Qaeda in general and Zarqawi in particular considered Saddam's Iraq a safe haven to escape Afghanistan and to fight another day. Even Iran, while being under much less pressure than Iraq, was considered by Al Qaeda as hostile in comparison.
2. Al Qaeda considers this jihad a worldwide asymmetric warfare that involves manipulations of the Western law and media; we can ignore it only to our own detriment;
3. By defeating Saddam's regime Al Qaeda was prevented from reconstituting and creating the next Taliban;
191 posted on 03/17/2008 4:58:39 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: april15Bendovr; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...
We (jveritas and april15Bendovr) would like to compose a letter but use the talent of this entire room to format it....

See Post #164

192 posted on 03/17/2008 5:12:12 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: april15Bendovr

We also need production of good quality documentaries about al Queda and Saddam connection.

I think this is so important during the campaign season because I think the American public already heard the left comments way too much and they’re fed up with it.

I think its high time we get a new perspective that will peak the public interest and make them talk.

Anyway, it will make a good spy story....but this is the real thing.

Maybe moveamericaforward.org can help with the documentaries?


193 posted on 03/17/2008 5:28:33 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: Milligan; All
Many FReepers have made homemade movies at Youtube about this topic. To be honest we have been shy about asking Free Republic to finance a real documentary because we want the money to stay here.

Jveritas, Ikez 78 and myself have been in touch with a very interesting individual that might help us in this arena and we will keep FReepers informed as we get permission and the work is complete.

We will keep making youtube videos until something larger happens.

Anyone that would like to share their videos on the topic please post them here so we can share ideas.

194 posted on 03/17/2008 6:05:51 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: Milligan; jveritas

Ping to post #193


195 posted on 03/17/2008 6:13:07 PM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: xzins

Absolutley awesome work, jv.

Last week’s pentagon report was very slippery in claiming that there were “no direct operational ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda.”

Saying “no direct...” could mean “yes, there were indirect...” “ties.”

Saying “no operational...” could mean “yes, there were “training” or “logistical” or “intelligence” or etc “ties.”

Your translation demonstrates that there were definitely “indirect” ties.

BINGO


196 posted on 03/17/2008 6:22:47 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: april15Bendovr

I’d say make a copy, post a fax number for them (available on McCain’s Senate Page) and blanket them.


197 posted on 03/17/2008 6:23:49 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: avacado

good points


198 posted on 03/17/2008 6:25:00 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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To: Milligan; april15Bendovr

I am ready.


199 posted on 03/17/2008 6:26:08 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: april15Bendovr

I really don’t think it’s a bad idea to consider sending it to Hillary Clinton’s people as well.

2/3 of the current candidates have said Saddam assisted al Qaeda. Why not take advantage of both?


200 posted on 03/17/2008 6:26:54 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com - Saddam Hussein and terrorism)
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