Posted on 03/16/2008 4:25:17 PM PDT by Gomez
The group searching for HMAS Sydney has found the wreckage of the World War II Australian warship off the coast of Western Australia, the ABC has confirmed.
The breakthrough by the Finding Sydney Foundation comes less than 24 hours after it announced it had located the wreckage of the German raider Kormoran, which also sank after a battle with the Sydney in November 1941.
(Excerpt) Read more at abc.net.au ...
OMG! They found her! Prayers for her dead!
Interesting. Also interesting is the comment by one of the sailor’s sons - a moonbat - who thinks the wreck was ‘hidden’ so long by the government, who had something to ‘hide’. Sheeesh.
He should move here and register as a Dimocrat. Then he could get in on the Bush blew up the WTC crowd. It’s nice to see that we share idiots with other countries.
> Also interesting is the comment by one of the sailor’s
> sons - a moonbat - who thinks the wreck was ‘hidden’
> so long by the government, who had something to ‘hide’.
> Sheeesh.
Depends on which government.
The Third Reich might have some ‘splainin to do.
A quick look about the web says:
1. only major surface vessel sunk with no survivors
2. only body ever recovered had a 9mm bullet wound
’ only major surface vessel sunk with no survivors’
Well the Hood came close with only three.
It’s astonishing that the Hood had any survivors in view of the main magazines being hit.
There were survivors on the Arizona and HMS Barham,both those ships suffered main magazine explosions.
I hope they leave the dead on board and let them rest in peace undisturbed.
THAT is a huge ship.
Her Majesty's Australian Ship.
Australian Ship
My bad.
Still why doe they still see the Queeen as important today?
Never understood that.
‘It’s astonishing that the Hood had any survivors in view of the main magazines being hit.’
Not to mention the temp of the water they fished them from.
There can’t possibly be remains on board, can there?
Maybe they Nat Geo will do a Battle 360 HMAS Sydney.
Arizona was in port, which made rescue efforts easier. Further, when the Arizona settled there were still portions of the ship above water, which made survival more likely. The wreck only slowly settled into the mud under Pearl Harbor over the course of time, and the superstructure was cut off.
Interesting. Now maybe some questions will be answered.
Barham was actually in the process of abandoning ship when the magazines blew.Anyway,I thought that the point was that Eurale was amazed that anyone survived the explosion.
She is there to remind politicians that no matter how popular and powerful they are, they remain servants.
He was on deck at the time and somehow got off and got far enough away from the vortex.
He sounded like he was suffering from survivor guilt to me. God bless him.
Dunno ... maybe they’re humoring her.
I would suspect that very few men actually went down with the ship. Most probably survived and never got picked up.
HMS Good Hope and HMS Monmouth were lost with all hands. So was SMS Scharnhorst 5 weeks later.
Yeah, probably, now that you mention it.
YouTube - Western Australia Geraldton H.M.A.S. Sydney Memorial
(the irritating intro to this clip doesn't last long...the story itself is quite respectful and shows the beautiful memorial in appropriate context)
Lots of conspiracy theories that the ship was finished off by a Japanese sub and/or survivors were machined gunned by same.
ping
I wonder if the survivors were atacked by sharks, similar to what happened to many of the crew of the USS Indianapolis in July, 1945.
The following is in part from the history of PIEDMONT...
On the morning of 10 November, while anchored in Seeadler Harbor, Piedmont heard two explosions to port. Mount Hood (AE-11), lying about 3,500 yards away, had blown up. No trace of Mount Hood remained. Between Mount Hood and Piedmont, Mindanao (ARG-3) was anchored and took terrible punishment from the explosion. Fire and rescue parties were immediately dispatched from Piedmont to Mindanao and ships alongside her. Though Piedmont suffered only superficial damage from the explosion, numerous 5ineh projectiles and steel fragments flew over Mindanao and landed on Piedmont's decks and superstructure, most of them ricoehetting off. One man suffered fatal injuries from a direct hit by the base of a 5-inch shell. One 250 pound aerial bomb penetrated the movie locker on the boat deek while another pierced the forecastle and plowed through a tier of bunks. Fortunately neither bomb exploded and remarkably enough, personnel in both compartments escaped injury.
It isn't easy to create a stable, democratic nation - most young countries fail. When you've found a formula that has worked, you do not lightly change it.
In 1932, a socialist Premier of the state of New South Wales leading a socialist state government seized control of all government funds and placed them in the Trades Hall, to prevent the Federal government using its Constitutional powers to pay the national debt. He was stopped in this unconstitutional action by the King's representative, the Governor using the powers of the Crown to remove him from office, and replace him with a caretaker government which called (and won) and immediate general election.
In 1975, a socialist Prime Minister leading a socialist government refused to follow the conventions of the Constitution, and attempted to continue to govern after he had lost the support of the Australian people, and even though he was about to run out of money. He was stopped in this unconstitutional action by the Queen's representative, the Governor-General using the powers of the Crown to remove him from office, and replace him with a caretaker government which called (and won) and immediate general election.
This is why a lot of Australians still view the Crown as important today. Twice in our history, socialist governments have attempted to act unconstitutionally - and on both occasions, it was the powers of the Crown that ensured a peaceful solution to those Constitutional crises.
Most attempts to get rid of the Queen in Australia come from the left of politics for this reason - socialists are the ones who have been thwarted in their illegal and unconstitutional actions by the powers of the Crown.
Australia, is, as you said, an independent nation. Her Majesty is Queen as Queen of Australia - physically the same person as the Queen of the United Kingdom, but legally distinct.
Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth to be precise.
Under the 1931 Statute of Westminster, Australia has as much say over the status of the Crown as the United Kingdom does (so do Canada and New Zealand. South Africa ceased to have a say when it became a Republic). In 1936, when Edward VIII wanted to marry Wallis Simpson, he didn't just need the blessing of the His British government - but that of His governments in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa. There is compelling evidence that the British government was willing to try and find a compromise - but because the Canadian and Australian governments would not, Edward was forced to abdicate. That shows how we remain independent, but still keep our ties to the Crown - the Queen, as Queen of Australia, reigns over us. But no foreign nation does.
Fabricated by Australians embarassed that the Captain of the Sydney basically royally screwed up by getting too close to Kormoran.
Thank you for the ping - Gator Navy
“Her Majesty Assisted Service...
Her Majesty’s Australian Ship.”
Actually in the case of this Ship it was ‘His Majesty’s’
“They were a former penal colony under the crown”
No they weren’t...
“I would suspect that very few men actually went down with the ship. Most probably survived and never got picked up.”
Unlikely since 350 men from the Kormoran were rescued.
“Fabricated by Australians embarassed that the Captain of the Sydney basically royally screwed up by getting too close to Kormoran.”
That in itself is pure supposition
It seemas that after the rear magazines went, fire raced along the ventilator system and torched off the forward magazines as well. When they found HOOD a few years back, they saw two sections [stern and bridge], but couldn’t find the bow.
They were in the water a hell of a long time, too.
At least 16 to 18 men survived SCHARNHORST going down. They were picked up by the Brits before operatiobns were suspended due to fear of U-boats [same reason the Brits left over 800 Germans in the water after BISMARCK scuttled.
I believe SYDNEY was the not only Allied warship sunk by a German surface raider. But for the life of me, I can’t think of a second one.
Wasn’t as big a screwup as the Captain of HMS GLORIOUS, who managed to get his aircraft carrier sunk by the SCHARNHORST and GNIESENAU [although I believe the shelling was done by SCHARNHORST].
Say what? Do you have a link for that?
Thank you for the explanation. I didn’t know that. Again, thanks for going to the trouble. I almost wish the U.S. had someone like that looking out for us.
Yes, they were ... criminals were sent there.
I think he was talking about the HMS Hood and not the USS Mount Hood. The HMS Hood blew up after taking fire from the Bismark and only 3 survived.
Agreed. Here's a detailed account of Komoran's last cruise including the battle with Sydney. Kormoran was able to close to close the range to 1000 meters before opening fire. Unforgivable for the Sydney (and of course they paid for it).
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