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Bad Monday in Asia
Yahoo!Finance ^ | 03/17/08

Posted on 03/16/2008 7:34:49 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: GovernmentShrinker
BSC market value on Friday at $30/share was $4 billion. JPM has 688 billion in long term investments, probably lots of stock subject to market prices. A 1.8% down move (now indicated in futures) results in a $12 billion paper loss for JPM, and if the crash results in a long term decline going forward, could result in a 10-20% move down - seems like a dumb move to me. In particular, since many believe that a bottom had been near, and had been been tested, and market was ready to shoot up in response to the stimulus, what a perfect opportunity to make lots of money by priming the pump. Instead, these fools short circuit the game and doom the market to another down leg - and they will pay dearly.

On the other hand, maybe JPM was $688 billion on the short side....

141 posted on 03/16/2008 10:00:58 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: GregoryFul
Why would JPM pay that much for a worthless company?

Even the Bear Stearns HQ was built for $280 million in 2001... Those employees are dead men/women walking.

142 posted on 03/16/2008 10:08:37 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: stockstrader

Illiquid — The state of a security or other asset that cannot easily be sold or exchanged for cash without a substantial loss in value. Illiquid assets also cannot be sold quickly because of a lack of ready and willing investors or speculators to purchase the asset. The lack of ready buyers also leads to larger discrepancies between the asking price (from the seller) and the bidding price (from a buyer) than would be found in an orderly market with daily trading activity.

Illiquid securities carry higher risks than liquid ones; this becomes especially true during times of market turmoil when the ratio of buyers to sellers may be thrown out of balance. During these times, holders of illiquid securities may find themselves unable to unload them at all, or unable to do so without losing a lot of money.


143 posted on 03/16/2008 10:09:23 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: BurbankKarl

Because they’ve got a lot of skin in the game.


144 posted on 03/16/2008 10:10:35 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: the invisib1e hand

I read an article that companies are talking about leaving London because of over regulation and all that congestion tax business...


145 posted on 03/16/2008 10:12:54 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: All

Bottom buyers will get killed on Monday and maybe all this week. Better off selling the quick sharp rallies.

Longs are too accustomed to making money on dips...this is not dip buying time...this is capaital preservation time.

Look at the 87 crash percentage loss and apply it to our current indexes...that gives you an idea of what we are going to see eventually.


146 posted on 03/16/2008 11:06:08 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: sammyjo

“Tomorrow you will see the Fed enter the stock market through surrogates to buy Dow and Nasdaq componants with printed money to artificially bolster the market.”

I personally think they’ve been doing this for awhile and alot over the last few weeks, protecting the key support levels on the S&P. That’s what the pros watch and trade...the bounce action has been strange...and unnatural.


147 posted on 03/16/2008 11:15:02 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: Shady

“Holy week is going to be a real rough ride. Hold on.”

Pray for the novice investors and trader. They will get killed in this Bear market...

Short sellers will get killed too if they get greedy and take positions too big for their fast fingers. The Fed will be intervening and we are going to see 400 pt swings in very short periods of time. I’m taking small short positions on the counter rallies. If we don’t rally and just totally selloff I’m just watching for the history of it all. It’s not doomsday, we’ll recover, but some will get wiped out. BE SAFE. DON’T GET GREEDY.


148 posted on 03/16/2008 11:27:59 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr

Here’s from the Founding Father’s Quotes thread that I thought was apropo:

“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.”
George Washington


149 posted on 03/16/2008 11:53:16 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: what's up
Bottom for the month for March most likely, however, not the bottom.

A lot of traders on FR talk good tech stuff and have a lot more understanding of all the ins & outs much better than I.

However IMHO, the 'trickle up effect' isn't being discussed. What we are not hearing / reading is the total net effect that will cause the absolute bottom this fall.

As energy and food skyrocket, the dollar continues to fall, especially with the Fed BS move last night.

The retail, entertainment, tourism, service sectors of the economy are going to take it on the chin....it's already showing, and purposely being adverted.

Why, because middle class America is struggling to pay its energy and food bills.

Sure Wally World's biz is up as well as other discount stores, however, from what I hear, the box stores in the malls are in a bad way and have been since before Christmas.

150 posted on 03/17/2008 3:00:49 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: blam
I read something similar and that the unravelling will probably begin with Ireland.

I've read Italy.

151 posted on 03/17/2008 3:16:41 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: BurbankKarl

They are also proposing a punitive tax on foreigners who spend part of the year in London.


152 posted on 03/17/2008 3:20:06 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: B4Ranch

I dont think so, we are right at or very near the bottom


153 posted on 03/17/2008 5:52:52 AM PDT by italianquaker (Hussein is his middle name, maybe his parents should apologize for it)
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To: italianquaker

The Fed will try to prop the market up as much as it can...violent up and down swings ahead for sure due to that.

But when the 5th largest investment banker in the country was going to zero - you can bet that there are likely 7-10 regional bankers and smaller investment bankers that are in deep trouble. Bottom? Not even close. The Fed can’t make people think we are in a bottom and cause big short covering, but we’re going lower. We’re likely going much lower eventually - this could be an extended Bear market like in the 70’s...it happens.


154 posted on 03/17/2008 6:00:49 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr
Like I said I don't see it and actually see some opportunities Hopefully your wrong and I am right
155 posted on 03/17/2008 8:18:10 AM PDT by italianquaker (Hussein is his middle name, maybe his parents should apologize for it)
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To: italianquaker

I hope you’re right to...because if you’re wrong, it’s going to get very ugly.


156 posted on 03/17/2008 9:33:03 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: what's up

So? How’d you do?


157 posted on 03/17/2008 1:13:31 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99
Thanks for asking. The stock market today did not suffer many of the calamities that were being prophesied, the DOW off less than one percent! I was not able to get in on financial put options since the market gapped down significantly for most financials at the open....Friday would have been a better day to get in on those. I believe financials are now bottoming out as I expected.

I did buy Washington Mutual call options today...that is a speculation since WM is one of the weaker banks. After a few days more (taking into account what the investment bank CEO's say over the next couple of days) I think some of these stronger financials may be a great buy and I will most likely step in for the longer term though next week could be better timing.

Also, refinieries could be a great buy here as the oil bubble begins to pop. I wish I had more cash for one of those.

All the best.

158 posted on 03/17/2008 2:52:12 PM PDT by what's up
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