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Obama camp: No, Newsmax, he wasn’t there for the sermon on July 22
Hot Air ^ | March 17, 2008 | Allahpundit

Posted on 03/17/2008 7:18:13 AM PDT by jdm

An (almost) airtight alibi, refuting the charge that he was present in church and nodding along last summer when Wright indicted the “United States of White America.” So much for Newsmax’s credibility. People were ripping on me in the comments to the Juan Williams post for having called the Messiah a shrewd politician but just look at the game he’s got us playing here — trying to place him physically at the scene of any single sermon at a church he patronized for 20 years, as if absent that evidence we might have to believe his feigned ignorance. Newsmax’s info was bogus? Well, maybe he really didn’t know after all!

Actually, I like this explanation better. Wait for it. About halfway through.



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bhussein; blacktheology; hussein; jeremiahsmessiah; jeremiahwright; july22; liberalracism; newsmax; nobama; obama; politicsofoppression; trinityucc
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1 posted on 03/17/2008 7:18:14 AM PDT by jdm
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To: All

Who put this in breaking news?!


2 posted on 03/17/2008 7:20:59 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jdm

I did.


3 posted on 03/17/2008 7:21:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: jdm
So much for Newsmax’s credibility

Since when did Newsmax have credibility?

4 posted on 03/17/2008 7:23:07 AM PDT by Huck (Support OBAMA in 08--He's a better choice than McCain! Ask any conservative!)
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To: jdm

LOL!


5 posted on 03/17/2008 7:24:47 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Admin Moderator
Oh, okay, thanks. I'm going to re-read the post. Didn't realize it was that important of a post.
6 posted on 03/17/2008 7:25:14 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jdm

AAAHHHH IT’s REDSTATE UPDATE!!!

You guys have GOT to subscribe to these guys on youtube. I have been watching for about a year and I mean I have almost peed they are so funny.

One clip: Obama admitted to smoking pot...

Dunlap (young guy) And that’s why Obama got caught with a bong.

Jackie (old guy) A bong? I thought he smoked menthol.

And these guys are both the same age, but I swear they have the mannerisms of southerners down pat. I think Jackie is my mother in law in male costume. The mouth movements, the way he holds his cigarette. I am telling you, you HAVE to see all of them on youtube. They are brilliant because to Libs, they represent the typical stupid Republican. But to us Republicans, the jokes they say about Dems are freaking HILARIOUS!!!!


7 posted on 03/17/2008 7:25:23 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: Southerngl

“Aw, hell, what do you need lotion for? Are your hands chapped?”

That’s one of the funnier one’s I’ve seen.


8 posted on 03/17/2008 7:29:04 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: Huck
I will be supporting that Muslim a-hole Baaarack when hell freezes over.
9 posted on 03/17/2008 7:31:21 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: jdm

Newsmax is ridiculously unreliable! Film at 11.

No kidding! It’s the conservative National Enquirer. Why do we allow articles from that place to be posted here?


10 posted on 03/17/2008 7:32:01 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: jdm

LMAO!!!

I’m so glad I’m not the only nut for these nuts.

I’m telling you, I have everyone I know waiting for the new updates.

They even had Kenny Thompson on cause of ole Jackie’s love of ole Fred Thompson.

God, these guys are comedic genuises IMO, and smart politically too!


11 posted on 03/17/2008 7:32:16 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: jdm

Since when does a member of a church need an alibi for not attending a service?


12 posted on 03/17/2008 7:32:28 AM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: Philo1962
Wanna comment on this story?
13 posted on 03/17/2008 7:32:38 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: Admin Moderator

Why not - you’ve gotta peel the bark to find the heartwood.


14 posted on 03/17/2008 7:32:49 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: jdm
The NewsMax article spent most of the day yesterday in Breaking, and is located two slots below this one.

Other than that, I can't explain it further because of the importance of keeping Mod decisions a complete mystery to you mortals.

15 posted on 03/17/2008 7:33:10 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Southerngl

FR bookmark , .. ( “now ya got me thinkin’ about all those slightly different yummy Hush Puppies I sampled throughout the southern states , .. but that’s another thread!” )


16 posted on 03/17/2008 7:33:12 AM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: Philo1962

Ping


17 posted on 03/17/2008 7:34:29 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Admin Moderator

Ok, I have to admit I didn’t believe you Mod’s had a sense of humor. I apologize cause I was completely WRONG!!

Thanks,
Mere Mortal (hehe)


18 posted on 03/17/2008 7:34:48 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: jdm

He may not have been there, but doesn’t Obama get the church newsletter?


19 posted on 03/17/2008 7:35:39 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Where are they hiding Obama’s white half?)
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To: jdm
Barack spoke that Sunday to a La Raza rally in Miami

LOL. Obama was not listening to black racists that Sunday in Chicago. He was speaking to Hispanic supremacists in Miami.
20 posted on 03/17/2008 7:35:51 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: jdm
Actually, I like this explanation better. Wait for it. About halfway through.

I'm so confused. Is the story true or false?

21 posted on 03/17/2008 7:36:26 AM PDT by McGruff (Tribal name: 'One with many knives in back')
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To: jdm

Ouch!


22 posted on 03/17/2008 7:36:31 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Michael Reagan: My Dad Would Back McCain http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970504/posts)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
The church website says it has 3 services, 7:30, 11 am and 6 pm...plenty of time to go to early service and get to Miami for 1:30.
23 posted on 03/17/2008 7:37:11 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: Southerngl

Bump for when I get home tonight!


24 posted on 03/17/2008 7:37:25 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: cake_crumb
What, attending a service and watching Osama nod his head in agreement with the ranting isn't evidence? The author is a WITNESS to Osama's presence. If witness testimony has been good enough for the court systems of numerous nations for thousands of years, it's evidence.

What do you think of this?
25 posted on 03/17/2008 7:37:53 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Obama isn’t even a reliable attendee to the church. He probably goes like 7 times a year, like most major politicians. He even said he doesn’t go there that much.

I would be honestly shocked if he would show up on a day he had something as taxing as flying to Florida for a speech on his schedule. You are either resting or preparing for that speech on that Sunday if you are normal person. It would be too exhausting to do otherwise.

Newsmax better have some photographic or other evidence.


26 posted on 03/17/2008 7:42:01 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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Other than that, I can't explain it further because of the importance of keeping Mod decisions a complete mystery to you mortals.

Ha ha. It must have been the YouTube video that got this into 'breaking.' The mod's must be fans of Red State Update and want to make sure others see their work. :O)

27 posted on 03/17/2008 7:42:27 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: Southerngl

Link?


28 posted on 03/17/2008 7:43:39 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Freeper "Philo1962" said he is the author of the article and saw Obama there. I've pinged him and am waiting for his response.
29 posted on 03/17/2008 7:43:47 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; Philo1962
Freeper "Philo1962" said he is the author of the article and saw Obama there. I've pinged him and am waiting for his response.
30 posted on 03/17/2008 7:44:22 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: McGruff; Philo1962
Is the story true or false?

FReeper Philo1962 wrote the article and attended the service, and he says Obama and Wright were at the service. Obama's camp has come out and called him a liar.

Given Obama's track record with the truth, I believe Philo. Rev. Wright is sinking the Obama campaign like an anvil... they have every reason in the world to lie right now.

31 posted on 03/17/2008 7:45:24 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Obadiah

You can check out all their vids here.

http://youtube.com/user/travisandjonathan

Freepmail me and let me know what you think!


32 posted on 03/17/2008 7:46:02 AM PDT by Southerngl
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To: jdm; Admin Moderator; All
Time for a reminder?


33 posted on 03/17/2008 7:46:34 AM PDT by McGruff (Tribal name: 'One with many knives in back')
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To: Vision
Barack spoke that Sunday to a La Raza rally in Miami

Oh, that is perfect.

So his aliby is that, no he wasn't listening to one black racist preacher, but instead he was addressing a whole crowd of militantly racist latino separatists.

Frying pan, meet fire.

34 posted on 03/17/2008 7:47:01 AM PDT by sanchmo
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I’m pretty sure you are allowed to do that. :)


35 posted on 03/17/2008 7:48:47 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Ouch!

I was just surprised. Usually if I post something without putting it in breaking it either never makes it to breaking or it appears there hours later, not within 60-120 seconds later. Just kind of shocked that it moved there that quickly, that's all.

36 posted on 03/17/2008 7:50:42 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jdm

bookmark


37 posted on 03/17/2008 7:50:54 AM PDT by RDTF (Go AEGIS!)
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To: jdm
The "I was not there for that sermon" sounds very much like "I didn't inhale".

In other words, pathetic.

38 posted on 03/17/2008 7:52:09 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: jdm; Admin Moderator

Get a room.

;O)


39 posted on 03/17/2008 7:52:46 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sanchmo

yeah but the issue is the credibility of newsmax. You don’t want Obama to get off on a technicality. He is a lawyer, remember.


40 posted on 03/17/2008 7:53:37 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: TornadoAlley3

No idea if he was there or not but lets work the times backwards:

Its a 4hour flight Chicago to Miami(3 hours flight time plus 1 hour time change)

Obama was introduced at 1:50 pm.Miami Time
He would have had to have landed at 1:10pm Miami Time
He would have had to have taken off at 9:10am Chicago Time
He would have had to arrived at airport by 8:40am Chicago Time
He would have had to have left the church for the airport at 8:10am Chicago Time
The service started at 7:30am. Chicago Time
It would be a tight schedule, but its possible he was at the service for a short time.

(No SR-71 needed like the carter/hostage conspiracy nuts said Bush Sr used when it was shown he could not have been where they claimed he was. LOL)


41 posted on 03/17/2008 7:53:47 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: McGruff
I'm so confused. Is the story true or false?

That makes two of us. I posted the story and even I'm not sure what to take away from all this.

42 posted on 03/17/2008 7:53:50 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jdm

“... ‘At’s funny ‘cause it’s true.”


43 posted on 03/17/2008 7:54:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: jdm

Conservatives should not be participating in this taking down of Obama right now.
Being the stupid people we are, we can’t help ourselves.
Let him get the nomination, please! The Queen is a much more formidable general election opponent.
Obama will get beat 49 states to 1.


44 posted on 03/17/2008 7:54:48 AM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: newgeezer

Just trying to be pleasant and have a sense of humor, that’s all.


45 posted on 03/17/2008 7:54:58 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: McGruff
Reliable or not the source of this story is here:

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/03/i-dont-know-wha.html


Barack catches a break - the NewsMax reporter who claimed Obama was in the church nodding in agreement during yet another of Jeremiah Wright's speeches has a space-time problem.  From NewsMax:

Contrary to Senator Barack Obama’s claim that he never heard his pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. preach hatred of America, Obama was in the pews last July 22 when the minister blamed the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority for the world’s suffering, especially the oppression of blacks.

However, Barack spoke that Sunday to a La Raza rally in Miami - here is video from his website, a Washington Times story, and the speaking schedule - Barack was due up at 1:30 PM.

This does not resolve Obama's central problem - he is telling the nation that

"We’ve got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. But what I continue to believe in is that this country wants to move beyond these kinds of divisions."

but there is no evidence that, over the course of twenty years, he has moved his own minister past anger and bitterness.

However, if Obama was not attending church the specific day NewsMax claims he was, this gotcha is gone, and Obama's ludicrous claim that he was unaware of Wright's incendiary black separatism has not yet been disproven.

Props to Mickey Kaus for this.

MORE:  Planes, trains, and automobiles?  From Chicago to Miami for a 1:30 scheduled speech?  I could believe Obama flew in Sunday morning, but to have time to go to church first?  Per NewsMax, it was a Sunday morning sermon.  And there is a one hour time difference between Chicago, so even the 7AM service would be a tight schedule.  Hmm, in by 8 AM (Eastern time), out by 9 (C'mon, don't tell an old Catholic that the early service isn't the quick one), private plane for three hours to Miami - EZ!  Or at least, not utterly implausible.  Pretty high level of energy and commitment from Obama, though.  Show us some plane ticket receipts!


46 posted on 03/17/2008 7:56:22 AM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: jdm

I thought Clintons stopped the burning of black churches during Bill’s terms. Seems now it is the Clintons who are burning black Churches.


47 posted on 03/17/2008 7:56:28 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Vision

Thanks!


48 posted on 03/17/2008 7:56:29 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: sanchmo

Do a search on Philo1962’s past posts. He began to answer these questions this morning.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986607/posts?page=290#290

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986607/posts?page=295#295

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986607/posts?page=305#305

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986607/posts?page=318#318

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986607/posts?page=334#334

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986607/posts?page=335#335

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986607/posts?page=341#341


49 posted on 03/17/2008 7:57:10 AM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: Philo1962; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Admin Moderator
This thread is proof that people don't read more than the headline before they post. It's pretty obvious who watched the video and who didn't.

In HotAir's comments I noticed someone ('dave742') pointed out that the sermon on July 22, 2007 in the orig Newsmax story was also written about here today: Kristol: The New York Times

I also noticed, WPtG, that someone on HotAir grabbed your line "So, in essence, the defense is: "He couldn't have been with the militant black separatist that morning, because he was spending the afternoon with militant Mexican separatists!". Nice job!

50 posted on 03/17/2008 7:57:27 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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