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The Wright Dust-Up Shows and Proves That Many Whites Donít Know Black People at All
Black America Web ^ | March 16, 2008 | Deborah Mathis

Posted on 03/17/2008 11:41:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The eruption of outrage, shock and fear that is flowing over Barack Obama’s campaign like hot lava because his pastor has preached some strident sermons tells us one thing for certain: Many white people don’t know black people at all.

If they did, they would know that Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago is hardly the only black minister who uses the pulpit to rant against racial duplicity and injustice. The black church has always been the place for letting our hair down and speaking our peace -- a safe haven from the criminations outside. It’s how and why the black church became the nursery for the freedom and civil rights movements. Not every minister seasons his or her sermons with political commentary, and not every one who does is as fiercely spoken as Rev. Wright, but there is nothing unusual about the black clergy as social agitator. Guess the shockees didn’t know that.

It seems they were also clueless that, when race, racism and discrimination do invade the pulpit, it is not always in the context of forgiveness and humility. Much of black America is resentful, angry and distrustful -- rightly so, some of us would say. Did the uninitiated honestly believe that slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, white resistance and flight, economic and educational duality, hyper-incarceration and yawning disparities in wealth, health and longevity have had no lasting effects; that all of that is really no big deal -- something we can kick off as easily as our Sunday shoes?

Surprise.

This could be a teaching moment for the society at large, which would do well to pay closer attention to 35 million of its members and to give heed to their accounts of their own experiences. Unfortunately, and typically, the alarmists are threatening to make it a Waterloo for Obama.

The candidate has denounced Rev. Wright’s statements about America’s treachery, honest as they were.

Obama has even removed his Wright from his ministerial council. That had to be painful for Obama, who has otherwise spoken devotedly of the preacher who “brought me to Jesus,” performed his marriage ceremony and baptized his daughters.

Those pounds of flesh are not enough for the alarmists, however. They and frothing pundit after frothing pundit want the candidate to rebuke Wright categorically -- mind, body and soul.

Obama is in the unenviable position of having to court a large and diverse audience -- the American electorate generally and Democratic voters particularly -- that includes a good number of people who have no knowledge of, curiosity about, nor sympathy for the black experience, while, at the same time, remaining true to what he knows about Rev. Wright specifically and the black church generally.

It’s a delicate balance, and Obama has tried to strike it, explaining to journalists that the anger and disdain expressed by Rev. Wright reflect common themes in “the black memory,” albeit not sentiments he shares.

In a fair world, Obama would be able to elaborate about the black perspective and thereby give some context to Wright’s comments and the facts of black expression.

But, then, in a fair world, there would be no racial divide to bridge. Of course, Obama’s detractors would never consider that.


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1 posted on 03/17/2008 11:41:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Wright Dust-Up Shows and Proves That Many Whites Don’t Know Black People at All

And vice versa.

2 posted on 03/17/2008 11:43:09 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

methinks if the writer had any larger of a chip on her shoulder, she would have severe back pains.


3 posted on 03/17/2008 11:44:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICEís toll-free tip hotline ó1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then they should not have tax exempt status!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 03/17/2008 11:45:24 AM PDT by sugarbabe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess Pearl Harbor and 9-11 WERE our fault after all.


5 posted on 03/17/2008 11:45:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The most racist people in America today are black liberals. Bar none.


6 posted on 03/17/2008 11:45:52 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Simpson verdict and more importantly, the reaction to it, were a clear signpost for me. Actually, a confirmation of a hypothesis based on observations.


7 posted on 03/17/2008 11:46:26 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No it shows that the charge of racism goes both ways and how these hustlers have become wealthy from pitting us against one another for the longest time.


8 posted on 03/17/2008 11:46:32 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama himself has disavowed these comments, so the whole argument that they are somehow justified has been negated.

Unless Obama is lying. :)


9 posted on 03/17/2008 11:46:33 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Debbie Mathis may be cute, but she certainly isn’t very smart. This isn’t really about what black preachers say in the pulpit, it is about whether a leading presidential contender agrees with what his hate-filled pastor preaches.


10 posted on 03/17/2008 11:46:45 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Racial bigotry and prejudice haven't disappeared. Now all of the rage and hate against America no long comes from the KKK and neo-Nazis but from the Left - particularly race baiting minority pimps and Islamofascists.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 03/17/2008 11:46:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Obama is reading this, I think Deborah Mathis would be a great press secretary for you. Honest I do. This isn’t a trick or anything. Honest.


12 posted on 03/17/2008 11:46:53 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not that I don’t know black people, but I do know a 1st class America-hater when I hear one.


13 posted on 03/17/2008 11:47:19 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Many white people don’t know black people at all.”

If they did, likely they’d realize that racism is hardly a white-only problem.

Perhaps todays focus on race relations will help pave the way (finally!) to a truly color-blind society, rather than a loose association of victimized ethnicities.

Meanwhile, Barack Hussein Obama remains the wrong guy at the wrong time.


14 posted on 03/17/2008 11:47:21 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Obama is reading this, I think Deborah Mathis would be a great press secretary for you. Honest I do. This isn’t a trick or anything. Honest.


15 posted on 03/17/2008 11:47:41 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think, with the sentiments that Wright expresses that he is Christ minded, he is just a reverse David Duke in disguise. Obama’s destruction though by the Dem white base though will probably destroy the nipple lock blacks have had on the party for so long!


16 posted on 03/17/2008 11:47:56 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The Wright Dust-Up Shows and Proves That Many Whites Don’t Know Black People at All”

Well now that the good rev has enlightened me I really don't think I want to know them. Of course I didn't think all blacks subscribed to separatist notions but who am I to argue?

17 posted on 03/17/2008 11:48:14 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We didn't know Hitler and his brand of National Socialism either. His mizzunduhstood rhetoric was harmless too wasn't it?

People in positions of authority, power, and influence should handle that responsibility with caution. Telling the white community that there is nothing wrong in Wright's comments at the pulpit and those at other black churches of the same flavor, is just crap.

18 posted on 03/17/2008 11:48:20 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While driving from New England to Pennsylvania I flipped through the radio dial. Driving over the GW Bridge I was treated to some interesting black programing. The Rev. Wright has many people that spew the same crap. He is not alone in his hatred and beliefs. It opened my eyes.


19 posted on 03/17/2008 11:48:30 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Trueblackman
...and how these hustlers have become wealthy from pitting us against one another for the longest time.

Bingo. They discovered that there was a lot of cash to be made on fomenting hate and suspicion.
20 posted on 03/17/2008 11:48:44 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Work a liquor store on Chelsea Blvd. in Memphis and you'll get to know the blacks intimately and culturatively. This'll be all one needs to know about how sensitive and respectful they are toward whites.
21 posted on 03/17/2008 11:49:02 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The black church has always been the place for letting our hair down and speaking our peace -- a safe haven from the criminations outside.

There's a certain group of white people that use cross burnings for the same purpose.............

22 posted on 03/17/2008 11:49:06 AM PDT by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many white people don’t know black people at all.

I stopped there. Puhleez. You are just afraid we indeed do and can see the difference between our friends, acquaintances (of all types) and then you and your ilk.

23 posted on 03/17/2008 11:49:21 AM PDT by doodad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep, whitey’s not only a racist, but an ignorant racist.


24 posted on 03/17/2008 11:50:03 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The black church has always been the place for letting our hair down and speaking our peace

Let me axe her a question?

How do they speak their peace?

My two black neighbors go to nearby bi-racial Christian Churches and in talking with them, they don't want anything to do with the bigoted talk that come from crazy uncle jerry's mouth.

25 posted on 03/17/2008 11:51:37 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jeremiah Wright’s remarks are based on 50 year old rhetoric designed to divide America. In that regard, Rev Wright is no different then Calypso Louie.


26 posted on 03/17/2008 11:52:12 AM PDT by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

His campaign is over.


27 posted on 03/17/2008 11:52:21 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Trueblackman

Absolutely correct.


28 posted on 03/17/2008 11:52:35 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: cowboyway
The black church has always been the place for letting our hair down and speaking our peace -- a safe haven from the criminations outside. There's a certain group of white people that use cross burnings for the same purpose............. I equate Obama's defense to someone attending a KKK rally and then saying they didn't hear the N-word.
29 posted on 03/17/2008 11:52:42 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Trueblackman
Well Said!
30 posted on 03/17/2008 11:52:50 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: TommyDale

She does have a point. Rev. Wright is doing nothing new.

The revrunds Al and Jesse have been race-baiters for God for years.


31 posted on 03/17/2008 11:53:15 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve met a few racist white people, but I’ve never met one (let alone a preacher) who said “God damn America” just because he didn’t like blacks.


32 posted on 03/17/2008 11:53:30 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somebody buy that woman a clue, cause she sure doesn’t have one.

Shw wants her cake and eat it too.


33 posted on 03/17/2008 11:53:55 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Hunter-Thompson not Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t mean to minimize in any way the horrible experience of slavery and discrimination in this country, but the words G-d damn America do not belong in the pulpit.


34 posted on 03/17/2008 11:53:55 AM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: EyeGuy

If understanding these hateful comments means I do not understand black people, I confess, I do not understand black people. The whole thing, especially the full throated defense of this hateful person by a significant number of blacks is appalling and frightening. I, as many white Americans, wanted Obama to be a white knight (this is a metaphor, not a racial comment)as I think a black president would be a good thing. I wanted to be cautious because of the hate I have heard being spoken by blacks in my life. I am now convinced Obama is not a white knight. He will never get my vote. I also read his wife’s “thesis” from, I believe, Princeton. I do not want a person with those views in the White House. I suspect some will defend the thesis and this whole sordid affair but thankfully I still have the right to vote for whom I choose.


35 posted on 03/17/2008 11:53:56 AM PDT by AZFolks
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... speaking our peace -- a safe haven from the criminations outside

The age-old coincidence of the ignorant and the self-righteous.

The difference this time time is that the paranoid ranting of Rev. Wright has been not only tolerated but encouraged as the "authentric" voice of the black community, and God help any black American, err, I mean "Uncle Tom", who disagrees with the nostrums of white liberals.

The Obama camp strikes me as genuinely puzzled by the uproar over Rev. Wright because no one they know has ever dared disagree with this black nationalist kookery that is almost a perfect mirror image of historical white racism.

36 posted on 03/17/2008 11:54:05 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

According to Wright it was our fault...we fore new Pearl Harbor so that we could into a war against the Japanese so that we white Americans could dominate them another race of color(of course then we became genicidists by using two Atom bombs on their soil). We pissed off the Arabs so they created 9/11 or we blew up the trade centers deliberatley to justify an oil war...take your pick...he has stated both views!


37 posted on 03/17/2008 11:54:34 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As I said in an earlier post.. I do think this kind of preaching, and thinking is common in black churches across America. According to this author, we should just dismiss this as, “Oh yea, I see their point”.

But, I do NOT concede their point. They are wrong. And preachers who spew this hate are dangerous for the country. They keep an entire race of otherwise productive people from feeling a part of this great country. This kind of rhetoric is counter-productive, and I am glad that this is beingt exposed for all to see. It’s been in the shadows for far too long.


38 posted on 03/17/2008 11:54:45 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: cowboyway
The black church has always been the place for letting our hair down and speaking our peace -- a safe haven from the criminations outside.

There's a certain group of white people that use cross burnings for the same purpose.............

I equate Obama's defense to someone attending a KKK rally and then saying they didn't hear the N-word.

39 posted on 03/17/2008 11:54:45 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Republic of Texas

Why is it that the loudest racism rants come from people who make their money from non-profit or affirmative action created positions?


40 posted on 03/17/2008 11:55:22 AM PDT by printhead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s funny, I don’t recall ever reading anything written by Martin Luther King that sounded even remotely like the feces that spews from this wright guys mouth.

In fact if King were alive I dare say he’d consider wright a part of the problem.


41 posted on 03/17/2008 11:55:32 AM PDT by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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The black church has always been the place for letting our hair down and speaking our peace

Ironic, this speech has nothing to do with peace. In any case, the phrase is speak our "piece".

Did the uninitiated honestly believe that slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, white resistance and flight, economic and educational duality, hyper-incarceration and yawning disparities in wealth, health and longevity have had no lasting effects; that all of that is really no big deal -- something we can kick off as easily as our Sunday shoes?

Yup, it's all our fault. Just sit there and marinate in your rage. It's the sure stepping stone to success.

42 posted on 03/17/2008 11:55:41 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Once again, the author speaks the truth and disqualifies the candidate.


43 posted on 03/17/2008 11:55:58 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Dianna
Funny thing: Slavery, lynching, Jim Crow and all that were perpetrated by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, not the GOP!!
44 posted on 03/17/2008 11:57:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This crapola will play well with Obama’s chardonnay and brie and student bases, but will turn off Reagan Democrats and independents. I'd say his candidacy is in deep doodoo.
45 posted on 03/17/2008 11:58:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: printhead
Why is it that the loudest racism rants come from people who make their money from non-profit or affirmative action created positions?

The cry of racism keeps those groups and their leaders profitable. That's why the good Reverend lives in a $750,000 house.

46 posted on 03/17/2008 11:58:22 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: AZFolks

“I also read his wife’s “thesis” from, I believe, Princeton.”

You did?!? I thought this had been buried until after the election...

How were you able to read it?


47 posted on 03/17/2008 11:58:24 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The great uniter will end up alienating the races like never before.


48 posted on 03/17/2008 11:59:05 AM PDT by DManA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“But, then, in a fair world, there would be no racial divide to bridge. Of course, Obama’s detractors would never consider that”

Well Ms. Mathis(in the interest of full disclosure, no relation to me) it seems that most of Obamalot’s detractors are your fellow liberal Democrats as well as fans of the Clintonistas!


49 posted on 03/17/2008 11:59:42 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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Did the uninitiated honestly believe that slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, white resistance and flight, economic and educational duality, hyper-incarceration and yawning disparities in wealth, health and longevity have had no lasting effects; that all of that is really no big deal

You’ve had about 40 years of government giveaways and racial preferences to get over that. That you haven’t says everything about you, not white people.

50 posted on 03/17/2008 11:59:52 AM PDT by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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