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The Wright Dust-Up Shows and Proves That Many Whites Donít Know Black People at All
Black America Web ^ | March 16, 2008 | Deborah Mathis

Posted on 03/17/2008 11:41:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: pgkdan
Well said: hate-mongers like Rev. Wright do not deserve the blessings of America.

Black racism persists because it relieves black liberals of responsibility for their own failures, and intimidates white liberals into a state of permanent supplication and apology.

151 posted on 03/17/2008 1:03:14 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: EyeGuy

Yes, I lived in Atlanta at the time and the OJ decision was an eye opener.


152 posted on 03/17/2008 1:04:06 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: fr_freak
The rest of her heritage has to be caucasian, yet she embraces the anti-white racism whole-heartedly. An interesting phenomenon.

The same could be said of Barry...

153 posted on 03/17/2008 1:11:58 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: MurryMom

Yowsa. I’ve only been here 3 years and I - like many other replies upthread - have never had the stomach-turning pleasure to read your crappy posts directly.

But - in my three short years - I do know that you are a legend. A legend for all the wrong reasons.

So allow me this opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Responsibility2nd and I think you’re an idiot.


154 posted on 03/17/2008 1:12:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: USS Alaska
My two black neighbors go to nearby bi-racial Christian Churches and in talking with them, they don't want anything to do with the bigoted talk that come from crazy uncle jerry's mouth.

According to the Black Value System taught by Obama's church, your neighbors would be guilty of "Middle-classishness," which is sort of like being Uncle Toms.

155 posted on 03/17/2008 1:12:49 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: sit-rep
"So the Civil War was over slavery aye??"

You mean the War of Northern Aggression don't you???

156 posted on 03/17/2008 1:14:50 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Many white people don’t know black people at all."

Is this meant to imply that there exists some secret reason why blacks are entitled to be racists, a reason somehow kept secret and unbeknownst to whites?


I haven't turned on my TV in the past 5 decades that there wasn't something on about the "black experience". It's on TV every day, countless movies, newspaper articles by the millions. Does the writer of this article think we've been in hibernation for 50 years, and are seeing the problem?

We can all read. We can all watch TV. We all live in America and have been going through the evolution of civil rights for more than 50 years. One would need to have been living in a cocoon for 50 years to not know what blacks want. We've heard every gripe, complaint, and charge of racism and entitlement that could be formulated into words and rage in the English language.

White people don't need to "know" blacks to be able to understand that the rev Wright meant in his hate-filled rhetoric from the pulpit. Playing the race card is all too common and is usally a one-sided game with a stacked deck.

Yet, there are those - like obama himself - who still insist on peeing on our shoes and telling us that it's raining; Wright didn't make any bones about it, he came right out and said it. Obama has bragged repeatedly on his "rev wright" and what he meant to his life...we all know the drill here.

They're saying now that if the superdelegates choose hillary, there will be "riots in the streets". Well, isn't how Chavez and other dictators get their positions?

Many white people don’t know black people at all? Well, maybe the problem is, that we do know.

Ya know, no one is responsible for liking any of us...it's our responsibility to behave in such a manner that we are known, trusted and liked by others. To believe otherwise is entitlement gone awry.


157 posted on 03/17/2008 1:15:39 PM PDT by FrankR (It wasn't FOX news who shined the spotlight of truth on Obama....WRIGHT?)
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To: rednesss
My grandfather could have been awarded one or even killed, but thankfully we dropped 2 atomic bombs and ended the war before he had to ship out.

Talk to folks of this generation - particularly those who served in the armed forces and who were slated to go overseas (My Grandfather too!) - and you won't find much sympathetic talk. I read "Semper Fi, Mac" - an oral history of the Pacific conflict - and found that (while the language was pretty salty, as befitting Marines) it was pretty insightful as to what people who were actually there, thought.

For an interesting read, bone up on "Operation Olympic" - the codename for the invasion of the Japanese home islands. It planned for the 2nd and 4th Marine divisions to spearhead the invasion. By H+36 (36 hours into the invasion) neither of these divisions was mentioned in the planning, because they were expected to be annihilated.

Interesting food for thought. But don't count on someone intent on rewriting history to pay much attention.

158 posted on 03/17/2008 1:15:47 PM PDT by wbill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just another attempt to blame whitey. The author takes absolutely no blame for the 70% out of wedlock births among blacks or the rampant black on black violent crime or any of the black community’s problems.


159 posted on 03/17/2008 1:16:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many Black people don’t know (these kind of) Black people at all too!

I’ll tell you this, most of my Black friends were shocked by this episode. I’ve spoken to a 1/2 dozen or so close friends, who happen to be Black, who could not believe what they heard. Only one of my friends had even heard rumors about “this type of Black preacher.” They were all in agreement that the churches they attend are “nothing like what Jeremiah Wright’s chruch was like.”

What really shocks me most is that Obama would be a member of a church, for 20 years, where his own (white) mother would likely be pretty uncomfortable.

Matthew Reid
http://www.Rice2008.com
McCain - Rice 2008
(McCain: Reluctantly) (Rice: Strategically)


160 posted on 03/17/2008 1:20:16 PM PDT by ElephantMan (sorry, no smart a$$ tag line today)
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To: Riverman94610

You got your opinion.


161 posted on 03/17/2008 1:22:09 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: wbill
"Talk to folks of this generation - particularly those who served in the armed forces and who were slated to go overseas (My Grandfather too!) - and you won't find much sympathetic talk. I read "Semper Fi, Mac" - an oral history of the Pacific conflict - and found that (while the language was pretty salty, as befitting Marines) it was pretty insightful as to what people who were actually there, thought."

The Japanese were very lucky that they were not facing a foe who was devoted to the Bushido way, otherwise their surrender would have been an invitation for us to perform death marches and to behead people with samurai swords.

162 posted on 03/17/2008 1:25:22 PM PDT by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Most of Jeremiah Wright’s political commentary is the standard litany of extremist hogwash spouted by the likes of Ward Churchill and Noam Chomsky and the rest of the Amerikkka-hating, white leftist intelligentsia. Those people are not black and they don’t say what they say because of their race. They say it because they’re communists. To my knowledge, most African-Americans are not communists and want to make a buck and get ahead just as much as their white fellow citizens. But because of their unique historical resentments black folks are more vulnerable to the hate-filled rhetoric of the Left and prey to pseudo-Christian hustlers like Wright. Nothing new there.

But Obama’s supposed to transcend all that. He’s supposed to know better, and teach better. That’s his one and only selling point to the larger population. Since that’s been shown to be a lie and a pose, he’s got nothing else to run on.


163 posted on 03/17/2008 1:25:48 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This could be a teaching moment for the society at large, which would do well to pay closer attention to 35 million of its members

Yes indeed. I doubt most white Americans realize how racist many of their black "friends" are. This may be a good "teaching moment" for them.

I was working for civil rights justice in America long before it was cool. When King's movement was co-opted by the profit-and-power pimps of the Left it became an anti-White movement. It was viewed by the Marxists as one more means to divide and conquer traditional America and replace it with socialism. It always had racial conflict, not harmony, as its primary goal.

My next-door neighbors are intelligent, upstanding blacks. Both hold MA degrees, have great jobs and buy 3 brand new expensive cars every couple of years. They live in a much more expensive house than mine. But they're fed a daily dose of hate and resentment by the black separatist pimps. The black-oriented magazines they read carry the same message(I leafed through one that was put into my mailbox by mistake). Social interaction with them is impossible. We've tried on several occasions and each visit turns into an endless series of complaints about "Whitey."

The day I heard: "White people are devils and cause all the world's trouble" was the day I decided to smile, wave, and cease all further attempts at "integration." It's their move.

164 posted on 03/17/2008 1:27:18 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: rednesss
Yup. Ironic that their surrender likely saved their culture, where fighting on would have likely destroyed it entirely.

The Germans were good fighters, but they knew when they were beat. The Japanese, not so much.

165 posted on 03/17/2008 1:29:16 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Pietro

Even after we dropped the second one on Nagasaki, the Japanese had a coup attempt when word got out that the emperor was going to surrender.


166 posted on 03/17/2008 1:31:11 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In a fair world, Obama would be able to elaborate about the black perspective and thereby give some context to Wright’s comments and the facts of black expression.

But, then, in a fair world, there would be no racial divide to bridge. Of course, Obama’s detractors would never consider that.

Huh? I guess in a fair world Obama is never to blame and always gets off the hook ...

FWIW, This situation is a little like the old problem politicians long had of saying one thing in the South and another in the North and getting caught in the contradictions.

If people argue that their candidate has to be two-faced or duplicitous, it's not a good sign.

167 posted on 03/17/2008 1:46:07 PM PDT by x
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How the hell did this Obama get this far? He’s rediculous!


168 posted on 03/17/2008 1:47:26 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: hellbender
My two black neighbors go to nearby bi-racial Christian Churches and in talking with them, they don't want anything to do with the bigoted talk that come from crazy uncle jerry's mouth.

According to the Black Value System taught by Obama's church, your neighbors would be guilty of "Middle-classishness," which is sort of like being Uncle Toms.

You are correct. But, we are middle-class.

Most of the houses in out neighborhood are $250-350K range {or used to be} and everyone that lives here, earned their "RIGHT" to be here because they bought the houses they live in.

I prefer an "uncle Tom" to a crazy uncle jerry.

If working hard, providing for and loving your wife and family, enjoying everyday life makes my neighbors "uncle Toms" in the view of crazy uncle jerry, I bet they don't mind being called "uncle Toms'.

169 posted on 03/17/2008 1:50:50 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To date I have not heard Rev. Wright say anything that I haven’t heard from many many times over a span of decades from white liberals.


170 posted on 03/17/2008 1:53:45 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama has even removed his Wright from his ministerial council. That had to be painful for Obama, who has otherwise spoken devotedly of the preacher who “brought me to Jesus...”

I'm not who often goes around professing to know what Jesus would do, or say.

But I DO know Jesus would call it abomination to support, as Obama does, the butchery of pre-born babies --and death-by-neglect of babies who manage to be born alive despite being aborted.

171 posted on 03/17/2008 1:58:10 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And David Duke is just a poor misunderstood white boy. They just don’t understand. /sarc


172 posted on 03/17/2008 2:05:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Oama: America is the greatest country on the earth, Help me bring change.)
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To: Kozak
This is THE CHURCH and THE preacher that Obama has embraced. For 20 years. The man who "called him to Christ". The one who Baptized him and his kids, who married him.

Once more, for the record, is there any evidence Obama was ever baptized? I think if Obama's going to try to "Christian" his way out of this he's going to need to come clean on the extent to which most other Christians can actually consider him Christian.
173 posted on 03/17/2008 2:16:10 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many white people don’t know black people at all.

Well, clearly we did not. But many of us have had our eyes opened by his sermons, and by your article, and some of us learn quickly. And, it should be pointed out, there are a hell of a lot more of us than there are of you. That is what the word "minority" means.

I believe that Mr Obama's candidacy, and the audience that it provided for Rev Wright's statements, will prove to have been a pivotal moment in the ongoing American dialog. And not in the way that Ms Mathis, or her fellow travelers, imagines or intends.

America was about to take a leap, and now it is very likely that it will not.

It will be a long, long time before the "Obama Moment" occurs again. I doubt that I will see it in my lifetime.

174 posted on 03/17/2008 2:23:21 PM PDT by surely_you_jest (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. - Will Rogers)
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To: Helen

Obama spewed racial hatred in his books, but we were too dumb to notice:

From Dreams of My Father, “ I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASISVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”. Barack Hussein Obama

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.” Barack Hussein Obama

From Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” Barack Hussein Obama

From ‘Dreams Of My Father’, “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names” Barack Hussein Obama


175 posted on 03/17/2008 2:47:46 PM PDT by cyberella
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To: EyeGuy

BINGO!! Me, too. The reaction absolutely did not go unnoticed. I remember seeing blacks pounding on the hoods of cars that had white drivers, rubbing it in. And black LAW STUDENTS at some major college cheering. What the hell, his victims were only honkys.


176 posted on 03/17/2008 3:17:44 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("Rush has unsealed the mummy's tomb-he has unleashed the undead."-Hugh Hewitt)
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To: vetvetdoug

I know someone who did EXACTLY that, only the store was in New Orleans. Many stories.


177 posted on 03/17/2008 3:20:23 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("Rush has unsealed the mummy's tomb-he has unleashed the undead."-Hugh Hewitt)
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To: yankeedame

I know that 150 years after the end of slavery too many blacks are still blaming whitey for keeping them down, rather than taking responsibility for themselves. I’m just sayin,,,,


178 posted on 03/17/2008 3:22:57 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
If they did, they would know that Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago is hardly the only black minister who uses the pulpit to rant against racial duplicity and injustice... It's how and why the black church became the nursery for the freedom and civil rights movements... when race, racism and discrimination do invade the pulpit, it is not always in the context of forgiveness and humility. Much of black America is resentful, angry and distrustful -- rightly so, some of us would say. Did the uninitiated honestly believe that slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, white resistance and flight, economic and educational duality, hyper-incarceration and yawning disparities in wealth, health and longevity have had no lasting effects; that all of that is really no big deal -- something we can kick off as easily as our Sunday shoes? ...In a fair world, Obama would be able to elaborate about the black perspective and thereby give some context to Wright's comments and the facts of black expression. But, then, in a fair world, there would be no racial divide to bridge. Of course, Obama's detractors would never consider that.

179 posted on 03/17/2008 3:27:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: vetvetdoug

Yeah. I see how polite and respectful the yout’s are no matter which side of the counter they are on. If you would get a please or thank you I think I would drop dead from surprise.


180 posted on 03/17/2008 4:01:25 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: Philo-Junius
For what it's worth

From NR's The Corner posted at 3/14 at 6:20 pm "That is decidedly not the case with one’s pastor—particularly in a church Obama didn’t grow up in from childhood, and a church so thoroughly defined by the personality and appeal of a particular pastor. He chose it willingly, and he has remained a member willingly. In discussing his decision to join Wright’s church in The Audacity of Hope, Obama himself says “It came about as a choice and not an epiphany.” (p. 208) It seems from that book, in fact, that Wright was much more than just a pastor at the nearest church to his house; he was the man who brought Obama to accept the faith and be baptized. He didn’t just baptize Obama’s kids, but Obama himself. Hardly a crazy uncle.
181 posted on 03/17/2008 5:22:13 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...” Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago is hardly the only black minister who uses the pulpit to rant against racial duplicity and injustice.”

Some would say, he is not the only black minister to spread hate and lies to a congregation with itching ears.


182 posted on 03/17/2008 6:06:11 PM PDT by jwatz49
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No facts to back up the assertion that many black preachers are bigoted as Mr. Wright.

No exculpation for Mr. Wright’s “God Damn America” statement nor the statement that we deserved the attack on 9/11.

Rather, she says he is attacking white bigotry.

It seems a case of the pot calling the kettle black.


183 posted on 03/17/2008 6:17:39 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die)
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To: Kozak

I see people keep sayiing it, but I see that Obama himself very carefully does not. He describes what I would classify as an altar call—which is good enough for membership in some “born again” denominations, and good enough for the UCC—but would not classify him as a Christian in the eyes of more liturgically oriented churches.

I posit, in the absence of evidence, the strong likelihood that no baptism ever occurred.


184 posted on 03/17/2008 6:21:02 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: ElephantMan
What really shocks me most is that Obama would be a member of a church, for 20 years, where his own (white) mother would likely be pretty uncomfortable.

From what I've read about Stanley Obama, nee Dunham, she'd love it.

185 posted on 03/17/2008 7:01:03 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: MurryMom
So let me get this straight...

Your rant is so typical of the left. Republican presidents and politicians are responsible for every word said by every right-wing minister, but Barack Husain Obama is not responsible for spending 20 years listening to and financially supporting a hate-monger. And it is a flat out lie that "Barack Hussein Obama’s pastor makes an ill-considered remark". He has preached hatred in sermon after sermon.

186 posted on 03/17/2008 8:30:40 PM PDT by Vietnam Vet From New Mexico (Pray For Our Troops)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well well, Debbie Matthis, you seem unaware that Obama has repudiated the racist ranting of his favorite preacher even though he claims never to have heard any of it.

You, Debbie, claim that this kind of rabid ranting is somehow typical of black ministry.

So, you are saying by implication that Obama is lying when he says he had no idea Jeremiah Wright harbored such ideas or uttered such words. There is no way that Obambi could have no idea of what is “typical” in black churches everywhere in this country.

Funny, this ‘defense’ of Obambi puts him in even worse shape, for now he is both a liar and part of the ‘typical’ racist fury of black churches everywhere (as depicted by this author). Great job, Debbie!


187 posted on 03/17/2008 11:27:13 PM PDT by Enchante (Eliot Spitzer, can your daughters be "high class" coke-whores for some Democrat friends?)
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To: MurryMom

blah blah blah...... YAWN.

you love racists, you embrace racists, you worship racists

just don’t imagine that your leftist du jour has much hope of winning the presidency anymore....... the truth about Obama is coming out, thanks to the Clintonista media whores who suddenly decided to take him down.

Ah, it’s fun to watch the civil war among vicious Demagogues.


188 posted on 03/17/2008 11:31:47 PM PDT by Enchante (Eliot Spitzer, can your daughters be "high class" coke-whores for some Democrat friends?)
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To: sit-rep

The Civil War was over many issues including the issues of states rights and yes slavery. Few wars are about only one issue. The one thing that is indisputable is that as a result of the North winning the Civil War, slaves were freed.

BTW, when the South considered the slave issue a matter of states rights they were completely wrong. Just as they were wrong concerning the states rights issues of Jim Crow south. When any American has their civil liberties deprived of them, if local government will not protect them, then the federal government has the right if not the duty to defend those civil liberties. Look at what Jefferson wrote in our Declaration of Independence:

“WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed”

I doubt that my great great grandfather was fighting simply for freeing slaves. However, what I was pointing out is that as a result of his actions and risking his life (along with many others) the black man’s ancestors were freed. They were even given the choice of going back to Africa if that is what they desired. The former slaves that made that choice have ancestors now that live in modern day Liberia. This was done while some of my ancestors were over in Ireland living under British oppression.

My point was that I have no guilty conscience of being white. My ancestors never owned slaves or benefitted from the slave trade in any way. Even more importantly, any sins of my ancestor cannot fall on me. I’m sick and tired of hearing this hate whitey crap from some members in the black community.


189 posted on 03/18/2008 4:38:20 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: cyberella

One thing about Obama and his books. How many people at 46 already have two memoirs published? Has this guy accomplished so much in his life at such a young age that it required two memoirs? Or was it just another way like other politicians of getting money by writing a book and then have your “supporters” buy up a bunch of copies. Something worth investigating....


190 posted on 03/18/2008 4:59:05 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

bttt!...


191 posted on 03/18/2008 11:21:24 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: Philo-Junius

Obama seems not to give Wright credit for his own baptism:

“And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children...”


192 posted on 03/18/2008 10:49:24 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: FrankR

“They’re saying now that if the superdelegates choose hillary, there will be “riots in the streets”. Well, isn’t how Chavez and other dictators get their positions?”

America is going to get blackmailed into having a black president.


193 posted on 04/07/2008 6:47:00 AM PDT by Niuhuru (Don't burn a bra, burn a feminist!)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

“I know that 150 years after the end of slavery too many blacks are still blaming whitey for keeping them down, rather than taking responsibility for themselves. I’m just sayin,,,,”

My therapist once told me that if a person holds past situations as the reason for their present problems, then that person has a personality disorder or is borderlining one. I think the black race has a pretty severe personality disorder and I don’t think they want to be cured.


194 posted on 04/07/2008 6:51:28 AM PDT by Niuhuru (Don't burn a bra, burn a feminist!)
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