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“Punish Sacramento” (Schwarzenegger and more hot air)
Capitol Weekly ^ | 3/17/08 | John Myers

Posted on 03/17/2008 1:35:45 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Governor Schwarzenegger kicked off his latest road show this morning in Fresno, talking budget reform and striking a curious balance between defending elected officials and criticizing them.

The governor’s event with Fresno Mayor Alan Autry and others had a familiar theme. Armed with his now infamous budget charts showing the imbalance between state expenditures and revenue, Schwarzenegger promised a new push this year for a constitutional amendment to change the budget system.

That proposal was hinted at in his State of the State speech two months ago but remains more concept than concrete. What we do know is that it would create a new rainy day fund by constraining spending in robust times and would give the governor the option of unilaterally cutting some state spending if the Legislature fails to do so as needed.

This morning’s event, broadcast on the governor’s website, featured Schwarzenegger walking a careful line when assessing blame for the budget problem. While at one point saying that elected officials are not the problem (”No one has forseen this [budget] situation,” he told the audience), the governor then dusted off some language that sounded like it came from his failed 2005 campaign to pass the budget proposal known as Proposition 76.

Schwarzenegger said that rather than punishing Californians, perhaps someone should “punish Sacramento” for the problems.

“Why take people, vulnerable citizens,” said the governor describing the recent spate of feast or famine budget years, “on this kind of roller coaster ride?”

The governor then went on to blame the amorphous “Sacramento” for — in his words — stealing money over the years from the people.

He criticized last week’s Assembly vote on a new tax on oil production as the wrong approach. “The oil companies didn’t create this [budget] problem,” he said, later arguing that the proposal was merely “taking money away from the [oil company] shareholders.”

And in a preview of things to come this spring and summer, Schwarzenegger seemed to make it clear that he wants to negotiate a reform proposal in tandem with the coming year’s budget. That could be particularly tough, given how little consensus there is so far on how to solve anything related to the state’s recurring gap between revenues and expenditures.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; punish; sacramento; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 03/17/2008 1:35:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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I wonder what the carbon footprint of a Trojan Horse is anyway?


2 posted on 03/17/2008 1:37:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge; calcowgirl; Grampa Dave; dalereed; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester
"I wonder what the carbon footprint of a Trojan Horse is anyway?"

It's everybit as big as that bastardly 25 million acre land regulatory agency this bastardly governor has spread over 1/5th of CA's golden (not GREEN) surface!!!

There! I think that about covers it for his dastardly deed!!! What a monument to his being an ignorant political hermaphrodite!!!

3 posted on 03/17/2008 1:52:29 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Changing America to an Obamanation is good? I think NOT! A McCaination isn't a whole lot better!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

He better add another $1B to stop global warming.. especially warm in Fresno


4 posted on 03/17/2008 1:54:24 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: NormsRevenge

He gave a state of the state address a few months ago?


5 posted on 03/17/2008 2:04:15 PM PDT by bubbacluck
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To: liege

Yup, January


6 posted on 03/17/2008 2:04:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
A.S. fears the unions and politicians since Republicans and other conservatives failed to come out for those propositions some years ago.
This did force A.S to swing to the left.

I don't like what he is doing and if we do another recall of several people I am aboard, but all this momentum to the left did start with the Republicans and other conservatives who did not get off their @$$ES to vote when it was pivotal.

7 posted on 03/17/2008 2:07:32 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge

He’ll end up signing a hugely tax-hiking budget (... oh, they’ll call most of it “closing loopholes”) with a few token cuts and some cosmetic budget reforms.

Outraged conservatives may attempt to override the Legislature with a ballot initiative, but I doubt it will succeed.

They also may target Schwarzenegger for recall, but again, I doubt it will succeed.

This stinks.


8 posted on 03/17/2008 2:29:50 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: pogo101

This stinks.

The one thing we can say for certain.

I don’t call it StinkyMento for nothin’. ;-)


9 posted on 03/17/2008 2:32:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: A CA Guy; Carry_Okie; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; NormsRevenge; Amerigomag; dalereed; Czar
That's bogus and you well know it!!! He had already pulled so many non-conservative stunts like gigantic governmental land conservancies and others too numerous to list here, that he drove down the motivation of CA's conservative voters already suffering from the "aw (BLEEP)!" factors he alone created with his bluffing and phony huffing(ton)!!!

You just refuse to come to grips with that truth!!! Nothing forced A.S. to swing left except his own lust for love in all the wrong places!!!

In many ways, he's more of a hipocrite than the former Governor Spitzer!!! At least Spithead wasn't a political hermaphrodite!!!

10 posted on 03/17/2008 3:29:54 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Changing America to an Obamanation is good? I think NOT! A McCaination isn't a whole lot better!!!)
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To: SierraWasp; A CA Guy; Carry_Okie; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; NormsRevenge; Amerigomag; dalereed
Right again, Wasp.

More drivel from supporters of our failed governor.

We're still waiting for him to "blow up the boxes" as originally promised, and to act as if he meant it when he said the state must not spend in excess of revenue. How many state employees have been eliminated from the state payroll?

We should have known we were dealing with a European socialist from the beginning. All those conservative promises were merely a snare and a delusion, designed to fool a dumbed down electorate into believing the Austrian was a conservative. Once he found out how hard it was going to be to deliver on his promises, he simply tossed them into the dumpster and joined the other side.

He is so much worse than Gray Davis it is staggering. Like Davis, this one, too, ought to be recalled. Now.

11 posted on 03/17/2008 4:03:49 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: NormsRevenge; SierraWasp
Schwarzenegger promised a new push this year for a constitutional amendment to change the budget system. ... it would create a new rainy day fund by constraining spending in robust times and would give the governor the option of unilaterally cutting some state spending if the Legislature fails to do so as needed.

The problem is not that the governor needs more power--it is the fact that we have an incompetent, spineless socialist that does not have the will to balance the darn budget. I don't want a new Gov. Newsom or Villaraigosa having more power.

”No one has forseen this [budget] situation,” he told the audience), the governor then dusted off some language that sounded like it came from his failed 2005 campaign to pass the budget proposal known as Proposition 76.

HOGWASH! This problem has been festering since 2002. It is the reason ARnold first got elected on a "fiscal conservative" platform. But instead of fixing it when he came in to office, he chose to NOT cut spending but instead to just borrow more money with Prop 57/58. All of Arnold's moves since then have exacerbated what now looks like a minor problem--a $6 billion dollar deficit that Davis left. Now we have $18 billion on top of $25 billion in debt (not counting the $40 billion in new infrastructure debt). And Prop 76 would have resulted in MORE spending.

The disinformation campaign continues! These people should be in prison!

12 posted on 03/17/2008 4:07:09 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: A CA Guy
Republicans and other conservatives failed to come out for those propositions some years ago.

A short history lesson. Conservatives did vote. We voted against the Austrian's lame proposals.

The urban myth, "conservatives didn't vote", now repeated by A CA Guy, was a red herring put out by FairOpinion to demoralize conservatives.

13 posted on 03/17/2008 4:14:14 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
I don't know where in the ground you were, but the turn out was sooooooo looooooow, that the machine of the state's unions and government employees were able to overwhelm the vote.

Proof there was no real Republican/conservative vote would simply be that the one proposition to notify parents if their kids were getting an abortion went down to defeat.
How in the hell with conservatives voting would that one go down?
It went down because conservative voting was way down.
Urban FACT.
The results on especially the parent notification issue proves it.

14 posted on 03/17/2008 10:24:54 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Cal: billions for illegals, billions in debt and wondering what to do.


15 posted on 03/17/2008 10:27:56 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; NormsRevenge; Amerigomag; dalereed
CaCa, no way!

We had a parental notification proposition about your children getting an abortion going down that day.
If there were conservatives in numbers, then parents today would have the right to know if their child was having an abortion and it could not be done behind your back.
If there were so many conservatives out there (which there wasn't), then that prop would have passed EASILY.

Not saying I like at all what A.S. is doing, and if someone want to recall, I'll sign on.
We can NOT lose sight of the fact that when he tried to blow up boxes, the conservative vote ran for the hills.
Have to call a spade a spade.
We have to be responsible for what DID NOT HAPPEN.
There wasn't a big conservative vote that election.

What happened to A.S. that election reminded me of that Clint Eastwood movie where as a gunman he was hired to protect the town with the promise that the people would stand by him. But once the bad guys came to town, all the town folk hid behind doors and did not help at all abandoning the Eastwood character.
In a large way, that went down just like that for A.S. that election.

16 posted on 03/17/2008 10:35:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

We have to be responsible for what DID NOT HAPPEN.

WE Kimosabe?

castigating the conservatives is the easy shot to take here, but imo, there are a helluva lot of reasons things blew up in the ballot box .. but frankly, it comes down to it just wasn’t meant to be and for that the ultimate blame is not the conservatives fault, it is the leadership of the state that has lost sight of its own responsibilities on all too many fronts, imo.

most measures need not be placed at the voters feet to decide , we elect representatives to make those decisions and when they don’t or won’t, then it becomes a crapshoot... which is about all we have coming out of StinkyMento these days ,, is crap.


17 posted on 03/17/2008 10:43:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

WE

Yeah, as in WE did not get out the vote on at least some of the propositions.

Especially the ones about parental notification and the other one that affect the unions that gave them ulcers.

WE did not follow through.

WE got our @$$es handed to us by the state employees and unions.
Their numbers were such that they should have been overcome and WE did not come out to vote as WE all should have.

I did, maybe you did, but in general the conservatives/Republicans did NOT my friend.


18 posted on 03/17/2008 10:48:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

WE can beat ghosts all night long. I hear your frustration so I’ll leave it at that, I’m not out to relight old battleground campfires. I’ll leave that to other hill folk. ;-)

If nothing else, you’d like to think a lesson was learned, but then we saw 2006 follow and how easily folks can be turned off..

I’m not sure what cause would unite the bulk of the voters, voters are very fickle in this state. and in many instances, they vote with their feet and just look for a more accomodating state.


19 posted on 03/17/2008 10:54:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think A.S. was always left on the social side but did indeed try to deal with the government employees and unions.
I think ones those props went down to defeat and crushed his power, he felt he had to move left.

I think a lack of vote of conservative nature caused those props to go down to defeat.

Sure, again go for recall on Arnold if they don’t cut spending and instead raise taxes, but I felt I have to be real here and say the lack of vote is what sent the man more to the left. To his credit, he did stick to his word and did indeed try to blow up the boxes of government when he tried to take on unions and government employees.

We could have done better on the special election that MAYBE would have even avoided what is happening in the state today.


20 posted on 03/17/2008 11:07:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

could have .. should have..

water over the dam

he should have never entered the Recall race... and once he got in, he shot himself in the foot

a golden opportunity was lost, no squandered, likely never to seen again.


21 posted on 03/17/2008 11:13:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
I think we see different places where opportunity was squandered.

I think it was the lack of conservative turn out for the vote on two or more of the propositions.
Others might think it was when McClintock did not win the nomination, but we have to keep in mind he hasn't been able to get elected dog catcher since running for Gov of CA.
Bustamante IMO would have been GOV if not Arnold.

22 posted on 03/17/2008 11:18:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy; Amerigomag; SierraWasp

Prop 73, Parental Notification, got 47% of the vote, despite limited support from the GOP and Arnold
and the presence of an agressive campaign against it from the pro-abort crowd.

Prop 76, State Spending, got 37% of the vote.

As Amerigomag said, conservatives (that voted for Prop 73), voted against Arnold’s sham Prop 76.

Blame conservatives for not showing up, all you want (even though many did). Regardless, it wouldn’t have helped pass flawed props.


23 posted on 03/18/2008 12:12:12 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: A CA Guy

Bustamante IMO would have been GOV if not Arnold.

and now we shall never know and Oh the cost to all of us,, save for those who left the state since that Trojan horse debacle.

I don’t think Cruz could count to a billion much less a hundred without assistance. Oh well.


24 posted on 03/18/2008 9:39:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Excremento? (... meaning no offense to ordinary folks who simply happen to live there)


25 posted on 03/18/2008 12:00:40 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: NormsRevenge

We have some idea because McClintock couldn’t even take the Lt. Gov. seat.


26 posted on 03/18/2008 3:07:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

What’s your boner up for McClintock, anyway?

If anyone is a loser here, it folks like you who have nothing more to offer than insultative comments about folks that you aren’t even worthy to carry water for.

Why are you here anyway? You really are outdoing yourself for acting like a TWirP in training , imo.

..and btw, how many other Pubs won, other then the ones that signed on the aRnold express, considering most got back-handed by the CaGoP apparatus at their own convention in a act of hero worship for the GUb ... and a movement of GOPers who then helped cost us the House and Senate in 2006.


27 posted on 03/18/2008 3:53:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
Some people have the stuff, some don't.

McClintock’s popularity NEVER took off in this state IMO.

He was good on immigration and economics, but wasn't able to sell himself at all.

But being he is out of the picture, who does the California Republican Party have going for Goov. after A.S.?

If they don't get going now, there will be a Democrat replacement for sure.

28 posted on 03/18/2008 4:42:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

He’s got more stuff than even you can obviously appreciate. He is a wasted talent, under appreciated, for sure.

2010.. Poizner, Fiorina, Whitman,, all fine upstanding middle of the roaders.. and loaded, of course.

Ray Haynes should be in the mix but won’t because he isn’t a gazillionaire... and because of attitudes like yours and many others unfortunately in the state and specificaly the GOP, likely will never hold office again.


29 posted on 03/18/2008 4:50:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
Unfortunately, some people aren't personable enough to get elected. Alan Keyes is kind of the same way.

Unfortunately the talent today has to be a complete picture or they can never raise to the top.

Or what is worse, their facade has to be the best and substance can lag behind by a large measure.

IF people would get more interested in politics and read the issues to understand what is happening, people like McClintock wouldn't have to win the beauty portion of the political races in order to serve and you'd get better people in more often.

30 posted on 03/18/2008 5:00:16 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

That is a sad commentary... and good luck getting people to actually study issues, they want the issues spoon-fed to them in 10 second soundbites.

The day elections became “beauty contests”, the terrorists won.

We all end up paying for it as a result.


31 posted on 03/18/2008 5:05:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
California consists of two parts.

#1 Those paid/bribed through support and employment to vote for those who want everything through the government.
IMO that consists of 32%+ of the vote every election

#2 The rest are mostly those who are not politically active and fall almost always for the commercials about how everything is for the children, firefighters, police and teachers who are going to suffer...which is BS.

What Republicans/conservatives in California are against is an automatic 32%+ that only needs to grasp 18%+ of the non committed vote to win.
Republicans IMO have maybe a 18%+ base of very conservative voters who are independent and into self sufficiency.
They every election have to come up with 32%+ of the uncommitted vote to win.

IMO Republicans have twice the uncommitted vote to win that Democrats do in this state and that is my opinion why we have such a difficult state to gather steam in.

You would think after endless elections with the same children, firefighters, police and teachers threats being used that some would learn from past mistakes, but they don't seem to at all IMO.

32 posted on 03/18/2008 5:17:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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