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‘New’ Ireland’s changes go more than skin deep[Immigration]
MSNBC ^ | 16 Mar 2008 | Daniel Strieff

Posted on 03/17/2008 1:50:56 PM PDT by BGHater

Country long known as a land of emigrants is transformed by migrants

PORTLAOISE, Ireland - As revelers worldwide celebrate St. Patrick’s Day with a pint of Guinness, dyed-green milk or visions of red-bearded leprechauns, it’s a good bet that few of them will have Rotimi Adebari in mind.

But, for those seeking an authentic vision of today’s Ireland, perhaps they should.

The election last year of Nigerian-born Adebari as mayor of Portlaoise is the most prominent manifestation of the changes sweeping this island, which is rapidly evolving from a land of emigration into one of immigration, where at least 1 in 10 people is foreign-born.

This transformation — fueled by a decade-long economic boom and relatively liberal immigration laws — means Ireland has gone from Western Europe’s poorest and most homogeneous country to one of its wealthiest and most cosmopolitan in little more than a generation.

For the first time in its history, Ireland, which sent hundreds of thousands of emigrants to the United States, Britain and elsewhere, is wooing large numbers of migrants.

That has forced the country — and communities like Portlaoise, a commuter town of 14,000 residents 50 miles southwest of Dublin — to get a crash course in integration.

“When I came into this town in 2000, I could count the number of people that are born outside of Ireland that live in Portlaoise,” said Adebari, the country’s first black mayor.

“But today it is a completely different story. The town has become so diverse, so multicultural,” he said.

South Africa-born Joshua N. Amaechi, who owns a dance studio just off Capel Street, north Dublin, choreographed Dublin's 2007 St. Patrick's Day parade.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: immigration; ireland; migration

1 posted on 03/17/2008 1:50:56 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

In other words, Ireland isn’t Ireland anymore.


2 posted on 03/17/2008 1:53:16 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: BGHater
The town has become so diverse, so multicultural....

Just what I want to see when I go to visit Dublin, --a town that looks like any other. Why go?

3 posted on 03/17/2008 1:54:50 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: BGHater

The EU has it’s good points. I have an automatic right to live and work in a none-socialist Ireland as a British citizen if things in Zanu-Labour run Britain get really bad....


4 posted on 03/17/2008 1:56:33 PM PDT by thundrey
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To: ladtx

Indeed.


5 posted on 03/17/2008 1:57:33 PM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: BGHater

looks like red haired jade eyed beauties are going to be getting scarce, I should really get out on the dating scene while there are still a few left.


6 posted on 03/17/2008 2:00:18 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: BGHater
A slick pinstripe suit with a high end pink shirt?

What's more Irish than that? /s

7 posted on 03/17/2008 2:00:42 PM PDT by Vision ("If God so clothes the grass of the field...will He not much more clothe you...?" -Matthew 6:30)
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To: BGHater

Funny how immigration is always towards the evil white man, isn’t it?


8 posted on 03/17/2008 2:03:55 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: ladtx
Just what I want to see when I go to visit Dublin, --a town that looks like any other. Why go?

Why go? Because things are still lovely in the South and West...like Cork and out Dingle way.

Dublin is another world compared to Macroom and Killarney. It's still very much worth the trip. I can't wait to go back.

9 posted on 03/17/2008 2:06:43 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: BGHater

Oh those whacky Irish!

They fought a bloody, murderous, internecine war for 600 years to assert control over Ireland.
Brother fought against brother and sons betrayed fathers.
Whole clans and towns were wiped from the face of the earth.

Then they turn around and hand it over to the multi-cultis and muzzies without a wimper.

The whole western world is eaten up with industrial grade stupidity.


10 posted on 03/17/2008 2:14:04 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: thundrey
I have an automatic right to live and work in a non-socialist Ireland as a British citizen if things in Zanu-Labour run Britain get really bad....

It wasn't long ago that half of Ireland was living in the UK.But today it seems the reverse is true,eh?

And BTW...you mean ZANU-Al Queda-Labour,don't you?

11 posted on 03/17/2008 2:14:38 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Women swooned in Mao's presence too.)
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To: BGHater

I understand many streets in Ireland are not safe to walk down anymore.

Funny, when Ireland was poor and people desperate, there was less crime,

Then comes a flood of immigrants, and up goes crime.


12 posted on 03/17/2008 2:16:54 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: BGHater
Immigrants go where the gettin’ is good. Ireland's booming economy in recent years along with liberal immigration policies and social programs create the perfect storm. Always a year or two behind the US in terms of economic effect, the housing boom has popped, and now it's hitting them faster than they realize. Soon they'll be picking up the pieces.
13 posted on 03/17/2008 2:18:59 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: ladtx

Don’t go to Dublin, it’s a city like any other. Although the pubs are great. I spent two weeks there last year and enjoyed many other cities. The people of Ireland (not the immigrants to Ireland)are exceptionally friendly.


14 posted on 03/17/2008 2:21:35 PM PDT by DallasGal (1st generation American...and proud of it)
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To: A_Former_Democrat; utherdoul
AFD, and what about North America, South America, and Australia?

'White' people didn't immigrate to those continents because the natives had such great economies, but they did immigrate. Europe traditionally has not been on the receiving end of immigration, usually sending out emigrants. Now the tables are turning.


utherdoul, even if by some odd chance the number of green-eyed non-redheads increased by a huge amount, or if the world population mixed into one homogeneous one (egads, you scream) the percentage of redheads and green-eyes (and blue eyes and blond-haired people) would remain roughly the same as a percentage of global population. If those phenotypes were selected (decreasing as people today dye their hair and use colored contact lenses), then the percentage would actually increase.

The idea that blondism and blue eyes will become extinct due to the reunion of the human race is a myth, displaying a lack of understanding of how genetics work (though there is still a lot to learn about genetics, Mendel was over a century ago, and has held up decently since then with only a few modifications).


Man, the comments on this thread are a litany of barf alert candidates. Multiculturalism, bad. Multiracialism, genetic diversity leads to greater survivability and success.
15 posted on 03/17/2008 2:21:45 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: utherdoul

Quick! We need DNA prospectors there to preserve the genetic sampes and diversity. Maybe even a captive breeding program?


16 posted on 03/17/2008 2:25:11 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" by Tamara Wilhite - on amazon.com)
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To: tbw2

Not a half bad idea but I say we start investing in cloning, then every man can have a hundred red haired green eyed full bosomed women.


17 posted on 03/17/2008 2:27:31 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Melinda
It appears that Britain's housing bubble is bursting as well. You have to wonder if an overemphasis on real estate is a peculiar trait of the Anglosphere, as are the lowest speed limits in the developed world, a taboo against horse meat, and a high level of devotion to household pets.
18 posted on 03/17/2008 2:28:46 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Multiracialism, genetic diversity leads to greater survivability and success.

Tell that nonsense to the Japanese.

19 posted on 03/17/2008 2:33:28 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: BGHater

Ireland will be Islamic by 2050.

Maybe sooner.


20 posted on 03/17/2008 2:33:37 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I’m talking about today.


21 posted on 03/17/2008 2:47:46 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Gay State Conservative

No, I’m not on the ‘all muslims are evil and are taking over Britain’ bandwagon. However, Britain is definately becoming more like a Democratic People’s Republic with an ever-expanding state that increasingly believes it has the right to poke it’s nose into spheres of life it has no business in, and an increasing tax burden to fund it all.
The great thing about Ireland is it’s much less down that path, but in most other key respects is pretty much the same as England, so the culture shock wouldn’t be as harsh...


22 posted on 03/17/2008 3:03:53 PM PDT by thundrey
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To: Age of Reason

Let any white country do what has been done in Zimbabwe and lets see what happens! White BAD /Black or any ethnic group GOOD. Any whites getting elected mayor in any Black countries lately? I won’t be going back to Ireland anytime soon.


23 posted on 03/17/2008 3:05:27 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: ConservativeDude
Ireland will be Islamic by 2050.Maybe sooner.

You could be correct.But you can bet your bottom dollar that the rest of Europe will be I Slamic at least 25 years before Ireland.

24 posted on 03/17/2008 3:09:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Women swooned in Mao's presence too.)
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"and what about North America, South America, and Australia?"

Not to mention southern Africa and Siberia/Central Asia.

It happened before, and will happen again..... .

25 posted on 03/17/2008 3:09:50 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; ladtx

So true, and don’t forget Connemara, Clare and Galway to the West. Just like all big cites Dublin has areas that are not safe to go to. The Irish are still very friendly and you have to get out of the cities to experience the true Ireland.

Beannachtaí na Féile Pádraig! (Happy St Patrick’s Day)


26 posted on 03/17/2008 3:09:57 PM PDT by Saoirise (From the halls of Montezuma to the streets of Berkeley)
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To: BGHater
Is Portlaoise the ancestral home of the Kennedys? I wonder.
27 posted on 03/17/2008 3:15:13 PM PDT by trane250
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To: Iron Munro
"The whole western world is eaten up with industrial grade stupidity."

I agree...what stupidity, us too.

28 posted on 03/17/2008 3:29:00 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Iron Munro
Actually, from what I here, the same groups are responsible. The communist IRA kneecaps those looking for immigration reform in Ireland.
The same PC disease taht is distrution the United Kingdom will see the destruction of the nationalities. They all want to be little fiefdoms under the EU.
29 posted on 03/17/2008 4:33:46 PM PDT by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: Saoirise

It’s My Island Ping!


30 posted on 03/17/2008 4:35:10 PM PDT by 444Flyer (The decent to hell is easy,and those who begin by worshipping power soon worship evil-C.S.Lewis)
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To: Saoirise

It’s My Island!


31 posted on 03/17/2008 4:37:01 PM PDT by 444Flyer (The decent to hell is easy,and those who begin by worshipping power soon worship evil-C.S.Lewis)
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To: trane250

No, the Kennedy’s home is New Ross in Wexford. Portlaiose is famous for the prison near the town.


32 posted on 03/17/2008 4:44:12 PM PDT by Saoirise (From the halls of Montezuma to the streets of Berkeley)
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To: 444Flyer

Hey, Dublin is still standing after the big parade!
I’m off to drown the Shamrock meself now with the Clan*

*PC Note: when I say Clan I mean Clan in the Irish sense of Clan, i.e. “Rally the clans”

Slainte!


33 posted on 03/17/2008 4:49:29 PM PDT by Saoirise (From the halls of Montezuma to the streets of Berkeley)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

God dealt with this the right way at the Tower of Babel when he dispersed mankind into many separate nations. Whenever people try to undo this, the result is always an evil regime that challenges God’s authority.


34 posted on 03/17/2008 7:04:03 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Saoirise

LOL! Say hi to Pops!


35 posted on 03/17/2008 7:47:37 PM PDT by 444Flyer (The decent to hell is easy,and those who begin by worshipping power soon worship evil-C.S.Lewis)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Perhaps, but the Irish sure don’t seem to be fighting it, at all. Maybe it’s not France, but that is only a difference in time. It’s not because Eire is making any sort of push back that is significant. They are just as welcoming as the rest of them. It’s just the numbers aren’t quite as bad...not yet anyway.


36 posted on 03/17/2008 8:40:32 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: puroresu
Are you referring to the slowly disappearing Japanese?

Actually, there is an increase in 'interracial' marriages among Japanese recently, and a large part of their supposed 'extinction' is largely due to 'one drop policies' similar to 'whites.' If you include all the people with Japanese ancestry, the numbers are growing.

Add onto that, the Yamada race is hardly 'pure.' Many look northeast Asian, but many also look southeast Asian, and the population has a mix of sinodonty and sundadonty.

37 posted on 03/18/2008 12:18:52 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

In that case—though why harp on what’s occurring today and ignoring what happened yesterday?—there are many Europeans who are still emigrating to the United States, not to mention Australia.


38 posted on 03/18/2008 12:20:57 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: puroresu

As for the ‘nonsense’ part, do you not believe that in animal populations, genetic diversity is often the make-or-break of a species’ survival/success?


39 posted on 03/18/2008 12:22:05 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: puroresu
"Tell that nonsense to the Japanese."
"God dealt with this the right way at the Tower of Babel when he dispersed mankind into many separate nations. Whenever people try to undo this, the result is always an evil regime that challenges God’s authority."
And you're typing about 'nonsense?' The quote directly above is a load of bullpoopy.


Babel occurred due to Man's attempt to usurp God's power and storm heaven. It was to weaken the race by dividing it. Look at why it happened, not just what happened. Plus, it was about language, not 'racial purity.' When God chose to become man, God picked a lineage that included Jewish, Moabite (Ruth), and....duhd duhd duhd.... HAMITIC Canaanite (Rahab). God obviously condoned the marriage of the Jewish Bathsheba with the Hittite (Hamitic) Uriah, even referring to Uriah as righteous. The evidence strongly suggests that God did not disapprove of 'interracial marriages' at all.

Meanwhile, if you're trying to use the Bible, look to Revelation. Man will be renewed and receive new bodies--probably based on the original/most-advanced model. Not to mention that at the end, things will be similar to Noah's days, potentially including a monolingual species. And again, that is what Babel was about--languages--not 'races.'






Finally had an opening to try the 'staggered blockquotes' and see if they work.

40 posted on 03/18/2008 12:44:10 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The Japanese aren't going to disappear. They'll be okay as long as their government doesn't decide to flood their country with people who will need welfare and affirmative action to make it there. If that happens, then all bets are off because the Japanese will be unable to rebound demographically. A combination of high taxes, lower educational standards, and lower wages will make it impossible to recover. These things will all be necessary to support their immigrant population. Also, they'll fear bringing children into a world where hostile other races will outnumber them and prey upon them criminally.

This is the mistake made in Western Europe. The downturn in the birthrate there would have been bad, but they could have recovered from it if they hadn't imported the Third World. Now they won't recover from it, because the white population sees the writing on the wall and will simply fade away into cultural death. The Japanese will recover from their demographic downturn as long as they don't repeat this tragedy.

I don't think they will repeat it.

And don't try to tell me that it'll work out differently “this time”. Yes, racial diversity led to violence and tragedy the last 19,457 times it was tried, but this time will be different. This time it'll lead to utopia and we'll all join hands and “transcend race”. That's what they said in England when Enoch Powell warned against importing people from alien populations. Today, people in England whisper that old Enoch was right, as they dodge terrorist assaults and watch their children getting beat up in the streets. They have to whisper because free speech is illegal in England. In fact, England itself is illegal as any kind of a cultural entity. If your only existence is as a crucible of tolerance for other people's existence, you're not long for this world.

Babel never works. It didn't work in the Old Testament and it won't work today. The vicious ranting we've been witnessing from Obama’s pastor is just a taste of the racial hostility brewing in America.

41 posted on 03/18/2008 12:53:56 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Genetic diversity is beneficial precisely because it allows species to diverge, not merge and integrate.


42 posted on 03/18/2008 12:58:03 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“Now the tables are turning”.
And you love it dontcha?


43 posted on 03/18/2008 1:05:51 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
You're very wrong about this. It's quite easy to learn another language. If all God had done at Babel was diversify the languages, people would have simply learned to communicate with one another and everything would have been back as it was in a few years.

But that's not all God did. In addition to changing the language, God scattered the language groups abroad from one another. That scattering allowed racial enclaves to form which, in turn, made it many times more difficult for man to ever try again to form a one world government to challenge God's authority. That's because racial groups don't get along. They have different strengths and weaknesses, different desires and cultures, and different societal patterns. Any society can take in a few people from other races and cultures, but mass migration and mass diversity leads to conflict every time.

Read your Bible. God scattered them abroad. He didn't integrate them and lead them in a chorus of Kum-Ba-Ya. You profess Christianity. Haven't you ever wondered why evil, world government type entities such as the UN and the EU are so obsessed with erasing borders and throwing every possible ethnic group in with one another? It's a repetition of Babel, just as the homosexualization of our culture is a repetition of Sodom & Gomorrah, and feminism is a repetition of Eve tempting Adam with the fruit.

44 posted on 03/18/2008 1:15:16 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu

Stellar. I respect the Japanese and their “racialism” They have national pride. I know lots about them and even like natto


45 posted on 03/18/2008 2:39:55 AM PDT by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I was noting the irony of white-male bashing yet everyone seems to want to move to countries where white males dominate the political and business cultures.

This is a message board, and “harping” is allowed, last time I checked.


46 posted on 03/18/2008 6:52:22 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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