Posted on 03/17/2008 5:14:59 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
The Department of Homeland Security, continuing to enforce what it calls a "strict policy of arresting, prosecuting and jailing" illegal immigrants, deported a record number of those caught on the nation's borders last year — more than 280,000 in fiscal year 2007 compared with 186,000 a year earlier.
It was the largest number of illegals ever removed from the country in a single year.
The increase is attributable to what veteran law-enforcement authorities said is a revised apprehension process, adding that the department no longer is targeting only criminal illegals for removal, but seeks eventually to apprehend, charge and deport all those who cross illegally into the United States.
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Famous phrase in our house ..”MORE” is alway better!
Came from our #1 Narcissist relative!
Right, but the problem is over a million of 'em per year aren't caught at the border.
“More is better at least.”
Lets not kid ourselves here.
If they deported a million illegals tomorrow while failing to secure the borders; what have they accomplished?
Kinda like dipping water out of the Lusitania .
Where’s the fence?
Nothing like an election year to get the bozos in the political world to actually DO THEIR DAMN JOBS!
If people know that nothing is going to happen to them then they will keep coming. If we start kicking them out with some prejudice then you slow the flow.
Only one part of the solution though/.....
Just twenty million more to go, keep humping.
If you don’t kick them out how do you get them to leave?
Remove the incentive(s) to stay.
Don’t get me wrong, I am all for deporting every one of these illegals BUT if the borders aren’t secured, what have you accomplished? They’ll just turn around and come back...as they’ve been doing for decades and continue to do NOW
The borders should have been secured after 9/11 and deportation of all illegals and foreign muzzies started!
either we are at war or we aren’t!
Oh I quite agree — deportations are a very good thing.
Gotta combine it with cutting off all the welfare freebies, going after illegal-hiring employers (with heavy fines) in earnest, rescinding the anchor baby provisions of the ‘65 Immigration Act, and of course building an effective border barrier.
Well here's a new thought...how about dealing with migrant workers in a rational way instead of driving them underground..unless the success of the war on drugs has convinced you that insantity is not actually doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I think many of the illegals are leaving on their own. The housing market has tanked, and there’s no work for them.
That very last thing I want is a continuation of the status quo. (See post #11).
“I think many of the illegals are leaving on their own. The housing market has tanked, and there’s no work for them.”
As I have been saying on FR for years, do not kid yourself;
the last F.B.I. report I read, MS-13 was present in 42 states and expanding. And MS-13 doesn’t care if you are “legal”, they don’t speak English and they are taking applications!
What you want to do is hit yourself in the head with that hammer a little harder and maybe that won't hurt.
Reduce the demand for them and they go home. The unemployment rate would likely stay at 5% even in a recessionary cycle with all of the job opportunities arising from losing illegals.
What I suggested has never been tried, and it would most assuredly solve the problem.
You, otoh, have (not surprisingly) suggested nothing. Care to give it a go rather than flapping your gums like a fool?
“Well here’s a new thought...how about dealing with migrant workers in a rational way instead of driving them underground..”
Nonsense. Naturalized Mexican citizens are at the day labor centers trying to get work. There’s not enough for the legal ones. The illegal aliens need to go home! Underground? Like the millions marching in OUR streets last year? They’re planning another one. These folks have too much free time on their hands.
SoCal Day Laborers Suffer From Slumping Economy (darn)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1987122/posts
Mexico immigrant Roberto Panuco, who is a naturalized U.S. citizen, says, “We’re becoming desperate.”
I wish they would hit New Haven again, and hard this time.
No, it won't anymore than it solved illegal alcohol or drugs.
You, otoh, have (not surprisingly) suggested nothing.
I suggest legalizing although not necessarily naturalizing them. The current situation of making it almost impossibe for them to return home is ridiculous.
You're not thinking clearly. Again, the strategy I outlined in post #11 has never been tried. So comparing it to the (failed, and far different) strategy used to fight the drug war is just plain stupid.
Cutting off the welfare freebies is something I would think a libertarian-minded fella like yourself would heartily agree with. Evidently not.
Rescinding the anchor baby provision of the (Ted Kennedy sponsored) ‘65 Immigration Act is just plain common sense. It's one of the main incentives for those who would come into our country illegally.
And in the age of terrorism not building an effective border barrier is dangerously negligent.
“It was the largest number of illegals ever removed from the country in a single year.”
And without the wall being built, they will all come back.
“The current situation of making it almost impossibe for them to return home is ridiculous.”
WTF are you talking about? EVERYONE WANTS THEM TO GO “HOME!”
Can you elaborate on that? I don't understand what you mean by 'current situation'.
Please indicate the rational way to deal with illegals. Do you mean open borders? The problem with open borders is the modern welfare state. The rational way is attrition through enforcement along with border control. Then we can decide on a rational immigration policy from the perspective of US voters, not illegal aliens and their enablers.
I prefer illegals staying underground rather than given amnesty. Amnesty will lead to open borders and chaos. The current situation is strongly preferred to open borders. I would prefer attrition through enforcement but underground is definitely preferrable to open borders and chaos.
“The Department of Homeland Security, continuing to enforce what it calls a “strict policy of arresting, prosecuting and jailing” illegal immigrants, deported a record number of those caught on the nation’s borders last year — more than 280,000 in fiscal year 2007 compared with 186,000 a year earlier.”
This is progress.
So is the end of catch and release.
So is the toughening of the border areas in Texas.
DHS is getting the message.
“I think many of the illegals are leaving on their own. The housing market has tanked, and there’s no work for them.”
That’s a different and much less observable statistic.
This DHS statistic is the number of removals. It’s impressive. 40% ramp up in one year is a lot of increase.
“The unemployment rate would likely stay at 5% even in a recessionary cycle with all of the job opportunities arising from losing illegals.”
When they leave they take their ability to produce and their demand, and since they are low wage/skill, their wont be many takers who *want* those jobs. I dont.
Certainly I agree with that one since but it would have zero effect on immigration.
Rescinding the anchor baby provision of the (Ted Kennedy sponsored) ‘65 Immigration Act is just plain common sense. It's one of the main incentives for those who would come into our country illegally.
Ditto. Do you even know any illegals?
And in the age of terrorism not building an effective border barrier is dangerously negligent.
It's the conservative feel-good policy. The illegals I know (and I know a lot of them) landed here on a jet and just stayed.
Well then make it possible for them travel freely.
I know lots of illegals. They come here because they want to make money to send home. About half I'd say plan to return home eventually. None of them can return home on their own will to visit. I don't see how it makes any sense to prevent them from returning home when they want.
I agree that welfare should be out of the question. There's no reason they have to be given welfare just like there's no reason they have to be prevented from traveling home.
I prefer illegals staying underground rather than given amnesty. Amnesty will lead to open borders and chaos. The current situation is strongly preferred to open borders. I would prefer attrition through enforcement but underground is definitely preferrable to open borders and chaos.
Just like drugs and alcohol you'll stop maybe 20% at best while 80% continue to arrive. "Attrition" is humorous though.
The Border Patrol will be in Shreveport, LA soon to recruit new agents. It was on the local news last night. They are trying to replace retiring agents and add a lot of new people. The video clip had helicopters, 4 wheelers and 4 wheel trucks running around the desert. They said no College Degree is required.
Illegals can certainly travel home. They just cannot come back. We encourage them to travel south.
You still have not indicated your rational way to deal with illegals. I assert that amnesty especially as provided in recent congressional bills will soon lead to open borders. As hordes of new, poor, uneducated legal residents pour into the country, demand for welfare will dramatically rise. The impact on racial preferences alone will be huge. The rats will demand that the new legal residents be given racial preferences in all aspects of life.
Perhaps you misunderstand attrition. Attrition is a strategy to deal with illegals in this country. Attrition does not involve massive deportation. It involves gradual tightening and enforcement of immigration laws. A number of states (Arizona, Georgia, and Oklahoma) have passed new laws that involve attrition strategies. We need federal enforcement to reinforce these laws. Of course, attrition must be accompanied by better control of the border through a physical barrier.
I advocate rational and humane immigration policies. A rational strategy considers the interests of US citizens first. A rational strategy recognizes the tremendous pull of welfare and the inability to support hundreds of millions of welfare seeking immigrants. A rational strategy puts control of immigration (numbers and conditions) in our hands, not immigrant smugglers. A humane strategy provides a clear message to immigrants about the rules of legal immigration. When rules are flagrantly broken, consequences are enforced.
“Well then make it possible for them travel freely.”
Only one way.
I certainly agree with that.
oops..spoke too soon. This is a conservative wet-dream which you'd know if you knew any illegals.
You are denying the impacts of anchor babies, ER room visits, and K-12 education benefits (bilingual education) bestowed on illegal aliens. I do not rely on anecdotal evidence. Plenty of studies have documented illegal alien usage of these welfare services. With amnesty/open borders, the Heritage Foundation study has projected an explosion in welfare to immigrants.
Your naivity defies the influence of incentives. While it may be true that most illegals want to work, it does not follow that they would not use lots of welfare services especially if the services are promoted to them. Here is a partial list of services which poor immigrants would seek if amnesty/open borders occurs:
- Medicaid
- WIC
- Section 8 housing
- Medicare and Social Security benefits
- Racial preferences in hiring, promotion, and education
- Food stamps
- EITC
- Grants and subsidized loans for university study
- Home fuel subsidies
- Daycare subsidies
- Free breakfast and lunch at school
- Child tax credit
- Bilingual education
When the immigrants become citizens, they will vote for even more welfare benefits. Please counter with some evidence beyond your anecdotes.
Here is a good anecdote to end my post. There was a set of interviews conducted by a journalist in Arizona about attitudes among illegals. In one interview with a female illegal, she gave her opinion about health care. To paraphrase (slightly) she indicated that Mexicans must pay for health in Mexico but in the United States health care is free.
I have to admit I can't speak for Mexicans but when it comes to Colombians this is all just crap. They don't know jack about these things.
I have not seen any studies involving Columbians. There is probably a much different population of Columbians coming here than Mexicans and Central Americans. I am not against immigration but I am fed up with the demands from the illegal immigration hordes, primarily Mexicans. The problem is more due to their handlers here and the Mexican government than the illegals themselves. Without the lobbying on their behalf, most illegals would avoid welfare.
If you do not agree with attrition through enforcement and a border fence, what do you propose? How will your proposal limit the number of immigrants and their welfare demands?
Once they’re here you might as well give them the right to enter and leave the country, drivers licenses, social security numbers etc...no government benefits until and unless they are made full citizens. Basically they are migrant workers. Driving millions of aliens underground is irrational because ot doesn’t help the Americans one bit. By the way...you’ll never find a way to stop them from making money. For one thing they’re too damn productive. The farmers here love them (talking about the Mexicans now) and don’t give a damn what the laws say and local law enforcement isn’t about to go after the farmers. Good luck on finding 12-15 million underground aliens and shipping them out. If the farmers can’t get enough Mexican labor to find a way around the fence they’ll raise the pay until they do. The farmers want Mexicans not whites. Go ask anyone who lives where there is a lot of migrant work. The Mexicans are just fantastic at it.
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