Posted on 03/17/2008 5:28:21 PM PDT by wintertime
A California appellate court has struck terror in the ranks of home schooling advocates by ruling that their children can't be taught at home without at least some oversight. Public education foes see this as an all-out attack on the concept of home schooling. That is not the case. And members of The Times editorial board didn't get it right either.
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It's evident that the vast majority who teach their offspring in front of the television do so because they don't want their children to be subjected to such dangerous doctrines as evolution, abortion, global warming, equal rights and other ideas abhorrent to the evangelical mantra....
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There has always been something decidedly elitist and anti-democratic in home schooling.It smacks of a belief that privileged children should not have to associate with the other kids in the neighborhood and that by staying home, they would not be subjected to the leavening effect of democracy.
Moreover, it is apparent from the cries of the far right that there has been a specific policy in home schooling -- to teach only the ideas acceptable to ideologues who fear the contaminating influence of what is commonly known as a liberal education.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
**Another Reason to Homeschool!***
what does this person mean by privileged? my children associate with people in "real life" situations... not in artificial set ups...
All homeschool advocates should thank the LA Times for providing more insight into the minds of socialists.
if by this comment this person means that i don't want my child to be "dumbed down," then yes--she is correct...
I teach in a public high school, AND my wife homeschools our son.
And NO. I don't think its in my son's longterm best interest to be around some of the kids in my school.
I'm trying to make a difference... but I'm not gambling my son's future on my being able to do it.
These two bigots are as ignorant as they are arrogant.
Homeschooling is a better option than public education. The explosion and success of this subculture is testimony enough to that fact.
“Moreover, it is apparent from the cries of the far right that there has been a specific policy in home schooling — to teach only the ideas acceptable to ideologues who fear the contaminating influence of what is commonly known as a liberal education.”
Unfortunately these people do not define “liberal education” as a balanced education, they have state sponsored indoctrination in mind. It is hard to understand how Californians will put up with all of this state control over their lives, but it is happening. Unless ordinary people get involved the liberal minority will continue to gain power.
There is no one more elitist than those social engineers who believe they should have the legal power to over-rule parents’ judgments, and to force all children into a government-run curriculum.
Most of the people I know who home school their kids don’t object to their kids having to associate with the other kids at school, it is the brain-dead, pro-homo, anti-religion, liberal teachers they would have propagandizing them in their classrooms that the parents object to.
.. smacks of a belief that privileged children should not have to associate with the other kids in the neighborhood and that by staying home, they would not be subjected to the leavening effect of democracy.
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leavening effect of democracy? huh.
more like being bait for sexual predators masquerading as teachers in all too many instances or teachers who pursue their own agendas with their classroom captives..
is that part of the leavening that the lefties proclaim is so vital for democracy to succeed?
In addition to escaping classes that move at the slowest pace of the slowest student, and escaping the remorsless indoctrination of godless Marxists...
Homeschoolers need not send there kids each day into an enviroment of crassness and uncivility — accompanied by the very real potential for them being a victim of physical assault.
The theme of the article is that it is UNFAIR TO GIVE CHILDREN SUPERIOR EDUCATION!
The article ADMITS home schooling is better than government schooling.
I wrote better stuff than this in the fifth grade. The LA Times should be so proud to publish this mindless, nonsense commie crap.
Oops — “there” should be “their”.
You can tell I was not homeschooled...
May God bless those parents who remove their children from bad public schools.
There you have it in a nut shell. Liberals want control of your kids minds to teach anti-Biblical ideas whether you are Christian or Jewish household, and make sure they do not learn ideologues that oppose the Democrat party socialist mindset. Let's face it public school is not teaching patriotism, true history, or a morality that this country was founded on.
The last I looked those kids were mine to be taught as I saw fit not the state....this is supposedly a free country not a communist country where the state owns the child.
Keep showing your hand and your true goals democrats let the world know your communist mindset.
LOL! These two authors perfectly exemplify why many familes in CA chose to homeschool when I was homeschooling mine. There was something just so trite about witnessing the heralders of CA Pub Ed applaud themselves while displaying such obvious ignorance. Sure, these two authors can actually write a sentence, but can they think critically? Analytically? Fairly?
Nah. That type of thinking is not what CA pub ed produces, and here are two grads to show us all what the lack of fully functional lobes looks, writes, and sounds like on a subject which the authors find morally repugnant.
Tsk, tsk. Poorly thought out article. The authors have shot themselves in the foot with their own pens.
I’d give the article a C but only if they rewrote it, including more thinking, less emotionalism.
And last but not least... D-Gray Davis effectively closed DOWN THE HOMESCHOOL PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE WHICH __WERE__ UNDER THE PERVIEW OF ANY GIVEN DISTRICT.
He demanded that the homeschooled students use the same crummy curriculum as those in pub ed, with the parents as unpaid “teachers”. District still got dollars. The curriculum in CA has been, and continues to be the problem, and will remain the problem as long as Unions and Special Interests groups run roughshod over genuine respect, diversity, and civility, crying “me, mine, me first, my thoughts only” — My body, my Politics!
But let parents decide which curriculum would best suit their own children? Flesh of their Flesh? The “annointed” say “non!”
“Moreover, it is apparent from the cries of the far right that there has been a specific policy in home schooling — to teach only the ideas acceptable to ideologues who fear the contaminating influence of what is commonly known as a liberal education.”
Uh...yep, that’s it in a nutshell. And, just what makes the libs think their’s is a ‘better’ approach? Our children were educated within the terms of our beliefs. That’s a problem how? They read better than their peers, their math skills are superior to their peers, and they can think through problems and issues with a critical eye and a foundation in logic. They are better prepared to make their way in the world than most others. They are all doing very well on their own.
I don’t think this article passes the smell test.
This doesn't even pass the logic and hypocracy sniff test.
So, someone needs to tell those educrats to keep their hands off my reproductive products; and my exercise of reproductive "choice" includes properly educating said products.
Sitting here laughing!
These authors are the same people who believe a 12 year old can choose a competent and ethical abortionist, but whose parents are too dumb to choose the best educational setting for their kids.
They're condemning the very thing that they are doing.
Very true.
However, it’s a mistake to label public education as Marxist. It’s actually of fascist origin.
BTTT
I’ll see your BTTT and raise you a Homeschooling-Mom-BTTT!
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My son finished with a 4.33 GPA, but that was the result of lots of study at home. Work well above what the bonehead public teachers and their curriculum expected or provided. The teachers assigned to his "AP" classes were incompetent. He "fixed" that problem by conducting study sessions during the week for his classmates. At times, he even stepped in for the "teacher" who was being paid to keep the seat warm.
Having seen the poor California schools up close, I'm quite certain that a home schooling approach has a fair probability of doing a better job. The national spelling bees have been dominated in recent years by home schooled students.
State schooling does, because it has been horribly failure in practice, failing to teach actual truth and instead becoming a political indotrination tool exclusively (for some that the entire point from the start), peddling the worst ideas in human history, and directly enabling wholesale slaughters that would make the bloodiest tyrants of former ages blush for shame.
Burn it to the ground.
Is he saying homeschoolers have zero tolerance?
Moreover, it is apparent from the cries of the far right left that there has been a specific policy in home public schooling -- to teach only the ideas acceptable to ideologues who fear the contaminating influence of what is commonly known as a liberal education common sense.
;-)
and they would probably refer to my homeschooled Latino kids as coconuts or oreos...
Hey, good for you for having the openness of mind to acknowledge you were wrong! I remember arguing with you on a couple threads about homeschooling and thinking that you made sense, you were just wrong about how corrupt the system is here. Glad your kids get good schooling where you are.
> Glad your kids get good schooling where you are.
Thanks Jen, and thanks for being generous about it.
“There has always been something decidedly elitist and anti-democratic in home schooling.” You shoudl have known this was coming.
This is not so much anti-homeschooling rhetoric as anti-Christ philosophy. They hate homeschooling because they hate Christ.
These “liberal educators” are not proponents of freeing the mind as one might think liberal connotes. Rather these men are totalatarians who want to indoctrinate students into statist thinking.
These postmodernists are threatened by Jews and Christians who believe in Scripture as absolute truth. They view Christianity as an attack on their god of Tolerance.
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I fear that in the not too distant future Christians will be living in catacombs.
If one leaves a child in front of a television for any length of time, the child will see nothing but 'evolution, abortion, global warming, equal rights and other ideas abhorrent to the evangelical mantra'. If you want to educate a child properly, you would have to use books currently anathema to the current line of progressive thinking, such as the Bible, Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations et cetera
It would seems that those who are attacking homeschooling are attacking a straw-man, who does not exist.
Yours:
Let me get this right. The same people who say a female should be able to abort her child BEFORE they are born, who screams to all "Keep your hands off my body!" and that she has full "choice," are the same folks who then want to take control of the products of reproduction after they've arrived alive?
This doesn't even pass the logic and hypocracy sniff test.
So, someone needs to tell those educrats to keep their hands off my reproductive products; and my exercise of reproductive "choice" includes properly educating said products.
Additionally? Males have absolutely NO right in whether or not a baby is aborted. However, should "she" choose, men can be forced against their will to pay childsupport for some 18+ years. Feminist extortion.
"Sexual Reparations", IOW.
And now from the same Sexual Reparations, featuring now, 5-star showing in CA is "Indoctrinational Reparations"; subheadline: "we must metaphysically lobotomize, post-birth, each and every child. A little "snip" on the metaphysic umbilical cord between child and parent only hurts for the time...." Logan's Run.
These are the same people who in the name of the “Sacred Environment” admire and would welcome China's “one child only” policy, and all the brutal force that accompanies that policy.
I would like to note that I'm not even the slightest bit surprised that you are being so gracious. Even in our disagreements, you had my respect, and I'm very glad to have you aboard for this fight.
God Bless, Mr. S.
Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the realities of homeschooling. Homeschooled kids are not only involved with kids their own age, on town sports teams, and even some public school activities, they are also involved with all other age groups, and that makes them more well rounded individuals.
If 150,000 years of our human ancestors could see how we treat children in our government schools they would be scratching their heads in befuddlement.
Also...The most segregated institutions in the U.S. are our government schools. There is NOTHING that comes even close in racial, economic, class, and age segregation. Only the government ( with its threat of police action) could pull something like this off on such a grand scale. People in normal living don't do this.
By the way, a woman from my church visited me yesterday. She works for a county elementary school. It has 750 children! It has 6 classes of every grade! Wow! Talk about a factory! This is normal??? It is impossible for the teachers in that school or the principal to know the names and families of all of those children. The children themselves can not know all the children even in their same grade.
Yes, and he doesn't tolerate people like that!
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