Posted on 03/17/2008 7:54:33 PM PDT by NotChosenName
It was a horrible, shocking, unnerving experience. Reading some of the things Barack Obama's pastor has said, I suddenly saw something with which I completely agree!! He said five days after 9/11: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...." His point: Chickens were coming home to roost. I agree. We certainly committed terrorism and murder when we dropped two atomic bombs on open cities in Japan. And, as Ron Paul has said, correctly, re: 9/11: The terrorists were over here because, first, we were over there in their part of the world sticking our nose into fights none of our business. Finally, none other than God Himself tells us in Galatians 6:7: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
JLof@aol.com
ibtz
holy smokes. this is one of those really scary looking people who use the internet at the public library, right?
Here kitty kitty ......
In!
just can’t tell the satire from the serious stuff around here anymore.
Are you out of your mind? Terrorism? We WARNED Japan to surrender. Those bombs killed the enemy and SAVED US Soldier lives. Uniformed soldiers. Not hiding behind children or in Burkhas.
Catch a clue, they r\are on sale at wal-Mart, $5 for a six-pack. Troll.
IBTZ
You’re one of those who thinks Pearl Harbor was that actress on Hee Haw, aren’t you?
Enjoy your stay while it lasts.
Say it if you like, but YOUR guy (Ron Paul) won’t be elected either.
IBTZ!!!!!!!!!!
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Wow...did you graduate from high school?
JOHN LOFTON / RECOVERING REPUBLICAN
For more than 35 years John Lofton has covered national politics and cultural/religious issues as a journalist, nationally-syndicated columnist, TV-radio commentator/analyst and political advisor.
• Editor, “Monday,” the weekly, national publication of the Republican National Committee, 1970-73.
• Nationally-syndicated columnist for “United Features” Syndicate in more than 100 papers nationwide, 1973-80.
IBTZ!
Though I was not around at the time, I am confident that much agonizing thought went into the decision.
Congressman Billybob
Ignorant anarchists have no place in the GOP and should not even vote until they have proven that they are no longer idiots, in the literal sense of the term.
Say goodbye, please!
I wonder if this guy had this “chickens coming home to roost” attitude when Pat Robertson made the same comment.
Anyone who relies on Wright and Ron Paul for pronouncements on foreign policy and national security is insane. Period.
The only thing the reverend said that makes sense is...
“Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky”
Is there a link for this piece of crap?
IBTZ ... I though the Paul parade had a stake through its heart?
“You did the right thing. You know the Japanese attitude at that time, how fanatic they were, they’d die for the Emperor...Every man, woman, and child would have resisted that invasion with sticks and stones if necessary...Can you imagine what a slaughter it would be to invade Japan? It would have been terrible. The Japanese people know more about it than the American public will ever know.”
Japanese pilot Mitsuo Fuchida in a conversation with Paul Tibbets.
Taken from Flyboys by James Bradley
Wow. What a pathetic Has Been...or Never Was. I don't need to go back 28 years to find something impressive on my resume.
DFU Book of Truth, 6:7: “Be not deceived by one who comes to FR as an isolationist and apologist for the enemy; he shall be mocked: for he who bloweth shall be told to take a leap.”
A sad thing with ample precedent, e.g. Paul Craig Roberts.
Iraq first invades Kuwait, we kick his ass and kick him out at Kuwait's behest
sow...reap
kewl...
I suspect the 5-10 million figure is low. We had complete control of the air over Japan. There is not one drop of oil or coal mined in Japan. Before we sent one soldier to Japan we would have fire bombed every city in Japan. Their industry and medical facilities would become non existent. Hunger and disease would have killed millions. We would have then killed millions more when we invaded.
The atomic bomb saved Japan from total destruction.
Mr. Robinson is pretty hard-headed, but it is his site. Change will come, but it must be done slowly. Slowly we have to convert more members to our kinder, gentler "progressive" beliefs.
Some times after reading for a length of time on this site, we progressives just need a karmic hug. So if you feel frustrated, join us in a hug at our alternate site.
Actually Japan had coal. It used to produce 50 million tons, but I think it is rapidly depleting it reserves and is currenlt mining under 20 million tons per anum.
Bin Laden was very clear why he murdered 3000 people in a flaming holocaust. Unfortunately his own reasoning was as turbid as Lofton's. That we were on "sacred" Saudi soil by invitation and to guarantee its safety in the face of a rampaging lunatic seems to have escaped him just as it escapes Lofton. That, according to Lofton's quoting of Ron Paul, we were "sticking our nose into fights none of our business" strikes me as a rather lame rationalization for 3000 Americans dead in New York. Paul was a fool for attempting the comparison and Lofton a fool for parroting it.
There is something greasy and contemptible in this sanctimonious buffoonery. We were wrong to oppose Saddam in his little putsch but had we not, we'd also have been wrong to allow it. This isn't criticism, it isn't thought, it's a playground game in which the critic is never wrong. Lofton ought to be embarrassed for penning this fetid little piece if he had any shame left in him.
Your not on the right side of that.
Uhhh...yeah...righto!
As others stated the obvious logical/historical fallacies of your screed let me just add that joining nine days ago, posting vanities without labeling said post as a vanity and listing a supposed resume of being a long time Republican (now in recovery) comes across as fraudulent.
You’re like the guy that starts his first day of work and tries to convince everyone that he is their best friend when in reality nobody knows a damn thing about him which therefore makes him come off as phony and suspicious.
As of this point, my gut feeling is: go away!
I think both of us made a faux pas. NotChosenName is John Lofton.
See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya!
IBTZ!
From my reading, only a very few agonized over it. One who did was Robert Wilson, founder of Fermilab and member of the Manhattan Project. Another one was some Lieutenant I read of who was on the Hiroshima assessment team. He was rocked by what he saw and wrote that no one who had seen what he had seen would consider doing it again. There were other military intellectual types who frankly admitted it was morally unjustifiable, but did not shrink from it nevertheless. The War transcended morality.
My impression is that Truman himself was actually a rather bloodthirsty sort of fellow when it came to this sort of thing. He made a strange statement in his announcement speech of the bombing, “The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base.” This was obviously intended as moral justification, but it fulfills that function only in the most formal sense. The real moral adjustment was the acceptance of “Total War”. I think most accepted it as a fact, but there were still all these treaties and what not.
I think the American population in general did not concern themselves at all over Japanese losses, and felt elation and excitement that the war was ended by such a triumphant and stupendous technological achievement.
I also think that criticism of “the decision” decades later is absurd and unrealistic, even childish. The War had its own logic and necessities, and no one was master over it. It was all a question of duty at every level.
The idea that Arab terrorists are inspired or justified by our use of the atomic bomb is pure rhetoric. I mentioned in another thread that Seymour Hersh made this assertion on 9/12, saying as I recall, “Well, they saw us using the atomic bomb ...” like we were supposed to think, “Oh gosh, yeah, well lets just call it even then.” What occurred to me was, “You just equated 9/11 to a nuclear attack. Why then, shouldn’t we respond in kind?”
I'm Irish, so I guess I get the privilege to say this today. Hey, John, kiss my royal Irish ass.
Tens of millions of Americans and JAPANESE are alive today because we dropped those bombs. They are the sons and daughters, grandsons and grandaughters, and great-grandchildren of the millions of Americans and Japanese (especially Japanese civilians who were to be armed with bamboo staves and drafted into suicide attacks) that would have been killed in an invasion of Japan that would have happened otherwise. I’m possibly one, although my dad was serving as a meteorologist for the USAAF in Italy at the time. A lot of non-infantry would have been converted to footsoldiers to meet the demand that an invasion would have required. Indeed, my dad’s unit was awaiting orders for transfer to the Pacific Theater when they heard about the bombs.
In any case, no such benefit to humanity can be pointed to as a result of the random murder of 3,000 civilians on 9/11.
IBTZ
I don’t know if he know how to read or he would know we killed more Japanese before the nukes with the fire bombing.
We won the war and Japan is still an ally.
Of course it did. Truman knew that many civilians would die. No decision like that is ever easy for those on our side who value life. For the Nazis, Fascists, imperial Japenese, and now the Islamofascists, I submit that the decision would be easy. We beat people in wars, help rebuild their country, and hope we can ultimately develop trading partners and friends. That is what my country does, and I am proud to be an American.
Lofton, you’re a buffoon.
Actually the atomic bomb saved japan. If the war continued uncle hjoe would have partitioned japan and we would have even more of a mess. That is one reason truman dropped the bomb.
Did you hear about the guy who was half black and half Japanese?
Every December 7th he would attack Pearl Bailey.
Get your facts straight. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not "open cities". Japan never ceded any city to invasion on the main islands.
Japan did not recognize the open city idea, as can be seen with Manila and several Chinese cities that the Japs destroyed even though they were declared open.
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