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Vanity: Oh, No! Obama Pastor Says Something Which Makes Sense!!
March 17, 2008 | John Lofton, Recovering Republican

Posted on 03/17/2008 7:54:33 PM PDT by NotChosenName

It was a horrible, shocking, unnerving experience. Reading some of the things Barack Obama's pastor has said, I suddenly saw something with which I completely agree!! He said five days after 9/11: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...." His point: Chickens were coming home to roost. I agree. We certainly committed terrorism and murder when we dropped two atomic bombs on open cities in Japan. And, as Ron Paul has said, correctly, re: 9/11: The terrorists were over here because, first, we were over there in their part of the world sticking our nose into fights none of our business. Finally, none other than God Himself tells us in Galatians 6:7: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

JLof@aol.com


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1 posted on 03/17/2008 7:54:34 PM PDT by NotChosenName
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To: NotChosenName

ibtz


2 posted on 03/17/2008 7:56:19 PM PDT by sd-joe
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To: NotChosenName

holy smokes. this is one of those really scary looking people who use the internet at the public library, right?


3 posted on 03/17/2008 7:56:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: sd-joe

Here kitty kitty ......


4 posted on 03/17/2008 7:57:24 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: NotChosenName

In!


5 posted on 03/17/2008 7:57:31 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: NotChosenName

just can’t tell the satire from the serious stuff around here anymore.


6 posted on 03/17/2008 7:57:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A moderate Muslim is one who acts like a Christian.)
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To: NotChosenName

Are you out of your mind? Terrorism? We WARNED Japan to surrender. Those bombs killed the enemy and SAVED US Soldier lives. Uniformed soldiers. Not hiding behind children or in Burkhas.

Catch a clue, they r\are on sale at wal-Mart, $5 for a six-pack. Troll.

IBTZ


7 posted on 03/17/2008 7:58:19 PM PDT by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: NotChosenName; Admin Moderator

8 posted on 03/17/2008 7:58:36 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: NotChosenName

You’re one of those who thinks Pearl Harbor was that actress on Hee Haw, aren’t you?


9 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:07 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: NotChosenName

Enjoy your stay while it lasts.


10 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:07 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: NotChosenName

Say it if you like, but YOUR guy (Ron Paul) won’t be elected either.


11 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:09 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

IBTZ!!!!!!!!!!

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


12 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:20 PM PDT by Scarchin (Romney for VEEP)
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To: NotChosenName

Wow...did you graduate from high school?


13 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:27 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Obama...your roosters are gonna get ya!)
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To: the invisib1e hand; NotChosenName
Maybe not, this is from his About Page (in part)

JOHN LOFTON / RECOVERING REPUBLICAN

For more than 35 years John Lofton has covered national politics and cultural/religious issues as a journalist, nationally-syndicated columnist, TV-radio commentator/analyst and political advisor.
• Editor, “Monday,” the weekly, national publication of the Republican National Committee, 1970-73.
• Nationally-syndicated columnist for “United Features” Syndicate in more than 100 papers nationwide, 1973-80.

14 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:31 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: NotChosenName

IBTZ!


15 posted on 03/17/2008 7:59:42 PM PDT by Omedalus
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To: NotChosenName
and we never batted an eye

Though I was not around at the time, I am confident that much agonizing thought went into the decision.

16 posted on 03/17/2008 8:47:00 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("My advice: Quit supporting the party that is symbolized by an ass." Ted Nugent)
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To: NotChosenName
I used to have some respect for John Lofton. Now I know that he's gone barking mad. Sad. Crazy as a coot. Two Wrights do make a wrong, apparently.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Send Lawyers, Guns and Money...."

Help a Freeper into Congress.

17 posted on 03/17/2008 8:49:44 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: NotChosenName
Lofton is an idiot.
Has it occurred to him just how many Japanese would have died in an invasion of Japan? Extrapolating from the invasion of Okinawa we are looking at 400,000 American Dead and 5 to 10 million dead Japanese, depending on the number of civilaisn involved in suicidal attacks and suicide to flee the Americans. The 210,000 Japanese killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, though sad saved millions of people and the destruction of Japan.

Ignorant anarchists have no place in the GOP and should not even vote until they have proven that they are no longer idiots, in the literal sense of the term.

18 posted on 03/17/2008 8:57:50 PM PDT by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: DBrow
He was also an adviser to the Buchannan campaign. That explains alot.
19 posted on 03/17/2008 9:00:37 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: NotChosenName

Say goodbye, please!


20 posted on 03/17/2008 9:02:21 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. )
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To: NotChosenName

I wonder if this guy had this “chickens coming home to roost” attitude when Pat Robertson made the same comment.


21 posted on 03/17/2008 9:07:50 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: NotChosenName

Anyone who relies on Wright and Ron Paul for pronouncements on foreign policy and national security is insane. Period.


22 posted on 03/17/2008 9:10:53 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: NotChosenName

The only thing the reverend said that makes sense is...

“Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky”


23 posted on 03/17/2008 9:13:45 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: NotChosenName
We certainly committed terrorism and murder when we dropped two atomic bombs on open cities in Japan.

Uh, no.
24 posted on 03/17/2008 9:15:01 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: NotChosenName

Is there a link for this piece of crap?


25 posted on 03/17/2008 9:18:03 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: NotChosenName

IBTZ ... I though the Paul parade had a stake through its heart?


26 posted on 03/17/2008 9:20:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: NotChosenName

“You did the right thing. You know the Japanese attitude at that time, how fanatic they were, they’d die for the Emperor...Every man, woman, and child would have resisted that invasion with sticks and stones if necessary...Can you imagine what a slaughter it would be to invade Japan? It would have been terrible. The Japanese people know more about it than the American public will ever know.”

Japanese pilot Mitsuo Fuchida in a conversation with Paul Tibbets.

Taken from Flyboys by James Bradley


27 posted on 03/17/2008 9:21:15 PM PDT by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: DBrow
Nationally-syndicated columnist for “United Features” Syndicate in more than 100 papers nationwide, 1973-80.

Wow. What a pathetic Has Been...or Never Was. I don't need to go back 28 years to find something impressive on my resume.

28 posted on 03/17/2008 9:23:40 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: NotChosenName

DFU Book of Truth, 6:7: “Be not deceived by one who comes to FR as an isolationist and apologist for the enemy; he shall be mocked: for he who bloweth shall be told to take a leap.”


29 posted on 03/17/2008 9:25:10 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Congressman Billybob

A sad thing with ample precedent, e.g. Paul Craig Roberts.


30 posted on 03/17/2008 9:26:00 PM PDT by dighton
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To: NotChosenName
I get it !
japan first bombs Pearl, we last bomb Hiroshima/Nagasaki
sow..reap

Iraq first invades Kuwait, we kick his ass and kick him out at Kuwait's behest
sow...reap

kewl...

31 posted on 03/17/2008 9:27:11 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: rmlew
Lofton is an idiot. Has it occurred to him just how many Japanese would have died in an invasion of Japan? Extrapolating from the invasion of Okinawa we are looking at 400,000 American Dead and 5 to 10 million dead Japanese, depending on the number of civilaisn involved in suicidal attacks and suicide to flee the Americans. The 210,000 Japanese killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, though sad saved millions of people and the destruction of Japan.

I suspect the 5-10 million figure is low. We had complete control of the air over Japan. There is not one drop of oil or coal mined in Japan. Before we sent one soldier to Japan we would have fire bombed every city in Japan. Their industry and medical facilities would become non existent. Hunger and disease would have killed millions. We would have then killed millions more when we invaded.

The atomic bomb saved Japan from total destruction.

32 posted on 03/17/2008 9:27:17 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Congressman Billybob; NotChosenName
Sometimes I wish history was really well taught and that war would be discussed analytically rather than emotionally. War offends some sensibilities, true; but tyranny and domination offends all humanity.

IBTZ
33 posted on 03/17/2008 9:28:58 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul politicians. The Ship of State needs a good scrubbing!)
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To: NotChosenName
OK, Maybe some of your comments were a little harsh or unwise. FreeRepublic is a conservative web site, but more and more of us are easing towards a more progressive perspective.

Mr. Robinson is pretty hard-headed, but it is his site. Change will come, but it must be done slowly. Slowly we have to convert more members to our kinder, gentler "progressive" beliefs.

Some times after reading for a length of time on this site, we progressives just need a karmic hug. So if you feel frustrated, join us in a hug at our alternate site.

FreeRepublicHug

34 posted on 03/17/2008 9:31:30 PM PDT by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: cpdiii

Actually Japan had coal. It used to produce 50 million tons, but I think it is rapidly depleting it reserves and is currenlt mining under 20 million tons per anum.


35 posted on 03/17/2008 9:36:33 PM PDT by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: NotChosenName
Wow. Sometimes it's instructive to attempt to follow the logic of a diseased mind. Seldom pleasant, but instructive. If I understand Wright's, and hence Lofton's, line of reasoning here it is that the 9/11 WTC atrocity was some sort of weird karmic retaliation for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, albeit half a century and half a world distant and between two different parties. The connection is no murkier than the stuff between the two gentlemen's ears.

Bin Laden was very clear why he murdered 3000 people in a flaming holocaust. Unfortunately his own reasoning was as turbid as Lofton's. That we were on "sacred" Saudi soil by invitation and to guarantee its safety in the face of a rampaging lunatic seems to have escaped him just as it escapes Lofton. That, according to Lofton's quoting of Ron Paul, we were "sticking our nose into fights none of our business" strikes me as a rather lame rationalization for 3000 Americans dead in New York. Paul was a fool for attempting the comparison and Lofton a fool for parroting it.

There is something greasy and contemptible in this sanctimonious buffoonery. We were wrong to oppose Saddam in his little putsch but had we not, we'd also have been wrong to allow it. This isn't criticism, it isn't thought, it's a playground game in which the critic is never wrong. Lofton ought to be embarrassed for penning this fetid little piece if he had any shame left in him.

36 posted on 03/17/2008 9:38:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: NotChosenName
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" -- Isaiah 5:20

Your not on the right side of that.

37 posted on 03/17/2008 9:39:50 PM PDT by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: NotChosenName

Uhhh...yeah...righto!

As others stated the obvious logical/historical fallacies of your screed let me just add that joining nine days ago, posting vanities without labeling said post as a vanity and listing a supposed resume of being a long time Republican (now in recovery) comes across as fraudulent.

You’re like the guy that starts his first day of work and tries to convince everyone that he is their best friend when in reality nobody knows a damn thing about him which therefore makes him come off as phony and suspicious.

As of this point, my gut feeling is: go away!


38 posted on 03/17/2008 9:40:53 PM PDT by torchthemummy (W's Margin Of Victory In Florida 2000 - 537 / FL House Bill Number To Move Up Florida Primary - 537)
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To: Billthedrill

I think both of us made a faux pas. NotChosenName is John Lofton.


39 posted on 03/17/2008 9:41:04 PM PDT by rmlew (Grievance politics is a mental illness)
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To: NotChosenName

See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya!

IBTZ!


40 posted on 03/17/2008 9:42:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: Mygirlsmom

From my reading, only a very few agonized over it. One who did was Robert Wilson, founder of Fermilab and member of the Manhattan Project. Another one was some Lieutenant I read of who was on the Hiroshima assessment team. He was rocked by what he saw and wrote that no one who had seen what he had seen would consider doing it again. There were other military intellectual types who frankly admitted it was morally unjustifiable, but did not shrink from it nevertheless. The War transcended morality.

My impression is that Truman himself was actually a rather bloodthirsty sort of fellow when it came to this sort of thing. He made a strange statement in his announcement speech of the bombing, “The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base.” This was obviously intended as moral justification, but it fulfills that function only in the most formal sense. The real moral adjustment was the acceptance of “Total War”. I think most accepted it as a fact, but there were still all these treaties and what not.

I think the American population in general did not concern themselves at all over Japanese losses, and felt elation and excitement that the war was ended by such a triumphant and stupendous technological achievement.

I also think that criticism of “the decision” decades later is absurd and unrealistic, even childish. The War had its own logic and necessities, and no one was master over it. It was all a question of duty at every level.

The idea that Arab terrorists are inspired or justified by our use of the atomic bomb is pure rhetoric. I mentioned in another thread that Seymour Hersh made this assertion on 9/12, saying as I recall, “Well, they saw us using the atomic bomb ...” like we were supposed to think, “Oh gosh, yeah, well lets just call it even then.” What occurred to me was, “You just equated 9/11 to a nuclear attack. Why then, shouldn’t we respond in kind?”


41 posted on 03/17/2008 9:44:17 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: NotChosenName

I'm Irish, so I guess I get the privilege to say this today. Hey, John, kiss my royal Irish ass.

42 posted on 03/17/2008 9:49:43 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: NotChosenName

Tens of millions of Americans and JAPANESE are alive today because we dropped those bombs. They are the sons and daughters, grandsons and grandaughters, and great-grandchildren of the millions of Americans and Japanese (especially Japanese civilians who were to be armed with bamboo staves and drafted into suicide attacks) that would have been killed in an invasion of Japan that would have happened otherwise. I’m possibly one, although my dad was serving as a meteorologist for the USAAF in Italy at the time. A lot of non-infantry would have been converted to footsoldiers to meet the demand that an invasion would have required. Indeed, my dad’s unit was awaiting orders for transfer to the Pacific Theater when they heard about the bombs.

In any case, no such benefit to humanity can be pointed to as a result of the random murder of 3,000 civilians on 9/11.


43 posted on 03/17/2008 9:50:19 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: NotChosenName

IBTZ


44 posted on 03/17/2008 9:50:30 PM PDT by TheRealDBear
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To: the invisib1e hand

I don’t know if he know how to read or he would know we killed more Japanese before the nukes with the fire bombing.
We won the war and Japan is still an ally.


45 posted on 03/17/2008 9:51:19 PM PDT by Big Horn (Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal . Author unknown)
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To: Mygirlsmom

Of course it did. Truman knew that many civilians would die. No decision like that is ever easy for those on our side who value life. For the Nazis, Fascists, imperial Japenese, and now the Islamofascists, I submit that the decision would be easy. We beat people in wars, help rebuild their country, and hope we can ultimately develop trading partners and friends. That is what my country does, and I am proud to be an American.


46 posted on 03/17/2008 9:53:11 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: NotChosenName

Lofton, you’re a buffoon.


47 posted on 03/17/2008 10:04:01 PM PDT by macamadamia ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." Yeats)
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To: RoadGumby

Actually the atomic bomb saved japan. If the war continued uncle hjoe would have partitioned japan and we would have even more of a mess. That is one reason truman dropped the bomb.


48 posted on 03/17/2008 10:08:57 PM PDT by genghis
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To: A_perfect_lady

Did you hear about the guy who was half black and half Japanese?
Every December 7th he would attack Pearl Bailey.


49 posted on 03/17/2008 10:14:33 PM PDT by gigster
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To: NotChosenName
We certainly committed terrorism and murder when we dropped two atomic bombs on open cities in Japan.

Get your facts straight. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not "open cities". Japan never ceded any city to invasion on the main islands.

Japan did not recognize the open city idea, as can be seen with Manila and several Chinese cities that the Japs destroyed even though they were declared open.

50 posted on 03/17/2008 10:14:35 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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