Posted on 03/19/2008 7:44:52 AM PDT by milwguy
Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren't quite understanding what their robots are telling them. "I suspect that we'll able to put this together with a little bit more perspective and further analysis," Trenberth says. "But what this does is highlight some of the issues and send people back to the drawing board."
Trenberth and Willis agree that a few mild years have no effect on the long-term trend of global warming. But they say there are still things to learn about how our planet copes with the heat.
(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...
If the facts don’t fit the theory, throw the facts overboard. That’s the Goracle Way.
And they call the skeptics flat earthers!
Hmmmmmm, a very inconvenient truth! Al Gore will be pi$$ed.
Think about the absurdity of the phrase “global warming’s missing heat”
More likely, the robots aren't telling them what they want to hear.
Not mentioned as the possibility that we are going into a period of global cooling. That is because nothing in their theology could account for human generated global cooling.
My son was in the car and I pointed out the blatant bias in this piece so at least it was a teaching moment.
Goracle...interesting play.....makes me think of the Stargate “ORI”. Perhaps, we could call his followers the (get ready for it, get ready for it............) Gor-eye......
Their endless quest to prove that Al Gore should have been President in 2000 has cost the Libs an Oscar, a Nobel and whatever sanity they may have had.
Woe-is-them.
“That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren’t quite understanding what their robots are telling them. “
It’s stuff like this that makes me crazy. Global warming taking a breather?! It’s unacceptable to the zealots to admit that it’s possible that global warming is a scam, so they just figure it’s a bad thing that took a break?! Please.
And the scientists don’t understand what the robots told them?! You mean the scientists can’t read temperatures suddenly? Or could it be, they need time to modify global warming dogma to fit the data?
And in that one line, it tells me why we will never be rid of these global warming zealots. No facts will disuade them. We could be in an ice age, with a glacier creeping into south Ohio and those morons would be crying about how global warming is the reason!
I saw it posted before, Algore makes P.T. Barnum look like a piker.
Maybe the answer lies in the quiet sun. As of this very moment, still very, very few sunspots in this current cycle. Climate science has drunk the AGW KoolAid and is not interested in any other climate models. Well, there is another climate model, one where the correlation between climate swings and solar activity is very high.
Indeed, climate science loves their models going forward, but few scientists seem interested in back-testing them, especially to test them against the 1800’s when snow in July caused such massive crop failures that many died from famine.
This corresponded to a sunspot cycle that lacked sunspots, a period that was named the Maunder Minimum. So far, this current cycle seems to mimic the paucity of sunspots during that time. If we have a similar paucity, we can expect similar weather disasters.
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
2006: The term was “Global Warming”
2007: The term was “Climate Change”
2008: The term is “Climate Inactivity”
Climate Inactivity is caused by man! Factories and SUVs are preventing the climate from changing naturally!
I love the line towards the bottom that tells us that maybe some of the warmer temperature has gone deeper into the water. That is soooooo funny!
These guys really don’t have a clue!
They finally decided to consider the laws of thermodynamics. Greenhouse theory doesn't account for any mildness, just always increasing heat. When they say 2005 or 1998 was the warmest year, they need to explain why the most recent year wasn't the warmest and they will eventually claim that the heat is hiding deep in the ocean where they don't have any thermometers.
so the calculations about continued growth in heat due to co2, have, er taken a break...
BAWHAHHA...yep cos maths works that way...when things dont total correctly, just say one column is on vacation...
Quite right, ole chum. A nip here, a tuck there and we’ll have this whole thing sorted out in time to meet over an expense account lunch.
Being an expert is really great, don’t you think?
The facts don’t fit the Agitprop.
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Put the robot AlGore down there in cement shoes to see if he can figure it out!
Not possible. Its there. It has to be there. Its like Big Foot except you have to purchase outrages insurance (carbon credits) to protect yourself from it.
Seriously, the response to this is very predictable. They will simply say that we are going through a natural cooling cycle, which has masked the GW and when we emerge from that natural cooling cycle, we are all going to burst into flames. They will see this as "one last chance" provided by God to do what is right."
Thus, the lack of an increase in temperatures proves the existence of GW, because temperatures should be falling!
Also I sent the link to Drudge.
I suggest everyone do so.
He occasionally puts up these kinds of stories, and since this is NPR and scientists claerly struggling to support warming, I think it is a biggie story.
But -but - but, I thought the debate was over!!
Where the hell is Al Gore?
A variant of possibility #2:
Our models are faulty.
The robots are no doubt part of the vast right wing conspiracy!
Gor-eye: believe or die.
I think the problem is that they sent smart robots to collect the data. They should have sent dumb drones, then they’d get the answers they were looking for.
If they had instead dropped 3000 SUV’s instead of robots down there no doubt the oceans would all be a boiling away by now.
The robots were built by companies owned by evil oil companies that give only to republican causes and candidates...
It's also possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean, he says. Or it's possible that scientists need to correct for some other feature of the planet they don't know about. It's an exciting time, though, with all this new data about global sea temperature, sea level and other features of climate.
“I suspect that we'll able to put this together with a little bit more perspective and further analysis,” Trenberth says. “But what this does is highlight some of the issues and send people back to the drawing board.”
Trenberth and Willis agree that a few mild years have no effect on the long-term trend of global warming. But they say there are still things to learn about how our planet copes with the heat.
This sure sounds like an admission that all of the models so far are incomplete and faulty....
Which is what the "deniers" have been saying for ages...:^)
Not just the "water heat sink effect", but the "cloud effect" too.... both of which are probably self-correcting feedback loops...:^)
They are going to analyze that data until it “proves” global warming I tell ya!
NPR.....another dumbass use of my tax money!
The oceans take a long time to adjust to the surrounding temperature. The oceans are an immense heat/cold storage unit. Since they are so vast, it’s hard to take their temperature. Averaging the temperature readings of a few units at the surface does not produce a useable number.
No conclusion can be draws, in other words.
One way of having fun with liberals is to ask them to how far down water lines have to be placed in order to protect them from freezing. Around here, in central Missouri, it is about 30 inches. Someone from Alaska told me they bury lines six feet. My next question is to ask just how much energy it takes to freeze the all the surface water, and all the soil down two feet from all of central North America northward. Now consider how much energy it takes in the spring to thaw all that out and compare that to how much energy that humans use. The ratio is many magnitudes. Yet, GlobalLukewarmers asset that humans can somehow swamp that process, so that humans can reduce the average.
I think that human energy usage and human impact on the climate is so slight in comparison to the heatflows from natural process that it falls within the natural ‘noise’ of the system when viewed over time, that is to say on a decade timescale.
To approach it from the viewpoint that we see here,
you have to accept Anthropogenic Global Warming as the baseline Given.
And we’re seeing that - they’re trying to make every observable phenomena fit this Given.
Just a(nother) crazy hypothesis ... but anything to help out
the poor hard-left loonies:
since most of the mass of planet Earth is molten,
the “missing heat” is hiding there!
Great point. When it comes to sunspots, this solar cycle is one of the deadest we have seen in a long time. How long? I do not know. But I have read of some scientists who are concerned that this could reach the levels of inactivity last seen during the Dalton minimum (the early 1800s). I hope to hell this is not true as a dramatic cool down would be much worse for us in the midwest. A little warm up would actually be damn nice for us in Cold and Gloomy Ohio.
It's mind boggling to think of the thousands of characteristics of our planet that must be just right, independently and relatively, to sustain complex life.
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