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California Assembly to Consider Severe Restrictions on Ammunition Sales!
National Rifle Association Institute For Legislative Action ^ | Wednesday, March 19, 2008 | NRA ILA

Posted on 03/19/2008 9:19:29 PM PDT by Califreak

Next Wednesday, March 25, the Assembly Public Safety Committee will consider legislation that would require gun owners to obtain a “permit-to-purchase” before buying handgun ammunition.

Introduced by State Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), Assembly Bill 2062 puts ammunition sales in the crosshairs. AB2062 would require that law-abiding gun owners obtain a permit to buy handgun ammunition and would impose severe restrictions on the private transfers of handgun ammunition. Applicants for a “permit-to-purchase” would be required to submit to a background check, pay a $35 fee, and wait as long as 30 days to receive the permit.

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1 posted on 03/19/2008 9:19:30 PM PDT by Califreak
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California Assembly to Consider Severe Restrictions on Ammunition Sales!

Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Stand Up and Make Your Voice Heard Today!
Next Wednesday, March 25, the Assembly Public Safety Committee will consider legislation that would require gun owners to obtain a “permit-to-purchase” before buying handgun ammunition.

Introduced by State Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), Assembly Bill 2062 puts ammunition sales in the crosshairs. AB2062 would require that law-abiding gun owners obtain a permit to buy handgun ammunition and would impose severe restrictions on the private transfers of handgun ammunition. Applicants for a “permit-to-purchase” would be required to submit to a background check, pay a $35 fee, and wait as long as 30 days to receive the permit.

Under AB2062, it would be unlawful to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require vendors to keep a record of the transaction including the ammunition buyer’s name, driver’s license, the quantity, caliber and type of ammunition purchased, and right thumbprint, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice or the number of his handgun ammunition purchase permit. Vendors would be required to contact the purchase permit database, to verify the validity of a permit before completing a sale. All ammunition sales in the State of California would be subject to a $3 per transaction tax. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited. Any violator of AB2062 would be subject to civil fines.

Please contact the members of the Assembly Public Safety Committee and your State Assembly Member TODAY and respectfully urge them to oppose this onerous attack on our Second Amendment freedoms. Contact information for the committee members can be found below. Please click here to find your State Assembly Member.

State Assembly Member Jose Solorio (D-69), Chair
(916) 319-2069
Assemblymember.solorio@assembly.ca.gov

State Assembly Member Greg Aghazarian, (R-26), Vice Chair
(916) 319-2026
Assemblymember.aghazarian@assembly.ca.gov

State Assembly Member Joel Anderson (R-77)
(916) 319-2077
Assemblymember.Anderson@assembly.ca.gov

State Assembly Member Hector De La Torre (D-50)
(916) 319-2050
Assemblymember.DeLaTorre@assembly.ca.gov

State Assembly Member Fiona Ma (D-12)
(916) 319-2012
Assemblymember.Ma@assembly.ca.gov

State Assembly Member Anthony J. Portantino (D-44)
(916) 319-2044
Assemblymember.Portantino@assembly.ca.gov


2 posted on 03/19/2008 9:21:24 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Califreak

If you can’t ban the guns, ban the ammo.


3 posted on 03/19/2008 9:22:21 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Califreak

Imagine what would happen if a D majority rules in Congress
and the White House...


4 posted on 03/19/2008 9:26:47 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: Joe Brower
Bang.
5 posted on 03/19/2008 9:27:44 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: REDWOOD99

I just asked hubby-this would mean we can’t give each
other half a dozen boxes of ammo for gifts!


6 posted on 03/19/2008 9:28:33 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Califreak
I seem to recall a case many years ago when taxes were laid upon ink used to print newspapers. That was deemed an infringement of the 1st Amendment. Requiring a license to buy ammunition is exactly the same kind of infringement on the 2nd Amendment. I'm so glad I moved out of California. The communists in Sacramento never stop.
7 posted on 03/19/2008 9:29:47 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Califreak

Would that not then be a straw purchase??


8 posted on 03/19/2008 9:30:18 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: rahbert
What prevents Californians from driving to Arizona, Nevada or Oregon to buy ammunition from private parties in those states? How would they even know?

Maxists are such silly people.

I see a great opportunity to make good money. Selling ammuntion to Californians, as a private party in a state where it is perfectly legal.

9 posted on 03/19/2008 9:30:27 PM PDT by 7mmMag@LeftCoast (The DNC and Rino's: they put the CON into congress everyday.)
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To: Califreak
They have severe restrictions on the sale of spray paint in California.


10 posted on 03/19/2008 9:30:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Califreak

Sure you can! Think of the clandestine thrill!


11 posted on 03/19/2008 9:30:59 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Califreak
If you buy ammo, contact the manufaturers and ask that they stop all sales on california contracts. Written letters are the best, then calls and emails in order of preference.

If the california socialist thugs want to arm themselves while disarming the public, let them carry rocks and clubs like the rest of the neanderthals.

12 posted on 03/19/2008 9:31:43 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: rahbert

The Nevada border is gonna be lined with ammo shops.


13 posted on 03/19/2008 9:32:56 PM PDT by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: Califreak
That pretty much means a halt to all ammo sales in California. There won't be anymore good deals at the gun show with a box of 1000 rds. Pretty much any ammunition can be fired from a handgun. Think T/C Encore and Contender pistols. Somebody with lots of money and high powered lawyers is going to have to fight this one.
14 posted on 03/19/2008 9:33:04 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Califreak

Great idea! Guns can’t do bad things if they don’t have the ammo for it! Support AB 2062!

On an unrelated matter, I’d like to announce the impending opening of “Sailor’s Ammo Dump” stores on I-5 just over the Oregon state line and on I-80 and I15 just over the Nevada state line and, finally, on I-10 just over the Arizona state line. Watch this space for further information about opening dates...


15 posted on 03/19/2008 9:34:21 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: 386wt
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The bill would also require vendors to keep a record of the transaction including the ammunition buyer’s name, driver’s license, the quantity, caliber and type of ammunition purchased, and right thumbprint, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice or the number of his handgun ammunition purchase permit. Vendors would be required to contact the purchase permit database, to verify the validity of a permit before completing a sale. All ammunition sales in the State of California would be subject to a $3 per transaction tax. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited. Any violator of AB2062 would be subject to civil fines.

16 posted on 03/19/2008 9:35:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Global warming" CAUSES global cooling? Sounds like globaloney to me.)
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To: 386wt
"The Nevada border is gonna be lined with ammo shops."

That's a good idea. I might open one myself.

17 posted on 03/19/2008 9:38:39 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: rahbert

And the Senate, and stack the Courts with Liberals.

Hello Washington, Madison, Adams, Adams, Jefferson, Hancock, Revere, Franklin, and on and on and on...


18 posted on 03/19/2008 9:39:34 PM PDT by wastedyears (More Maiden coming up in a few months!)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast

“What prevents Californians from driving to Arizona, Nevada or Oregon to buy ammunition from private parties in those states? How would they even know?
Maxists are such silly people.

I see a great opportunity to make good money. Selling ammuntion to Californians, as a private party in a state where it is perfectly legal.”

****

Nothing prevents them from going out of state to buy ammo, but when they return via Interstates 10, 15 or 40, they will inevitably have to stop at the “Agricultural Inspection Station” at each inbound lane on those highways. California may decide to spend more money to add “Ammo Inspectors” to stand beside the fruit/veggie police.


19 posted on 03/19/2008 9:43:29 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: blackbart.223
"The Nevada border is gonna be lined with ammo shops."

Just to add irony to the picture - most of those shops would be owned by indians, on indian land, selling cigarettes and ammo to the white man.

20 posted on 03/19/2008 9:44:06 PM PDT by norton
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To: kiriath_jearim
“Ammo Inspectors”

Oh goody! A new CA public employee category. I can't wait to apply. $100k per annum after 20 years plus overtime. Retire with 20 years sick leave and vacation time ($300k cash at retirement) at 95% base. Sign me up.

21 posted on 03/19/2008 9:52:55 PM PDT by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
They closed the fruit inspection stand to passenger vehicles at the California - Oregon State Line. Only commercial trucks have to stop. You mean to tell me that the other Interstate stations are still stopping passenger cars?

Besides how hard is it to smile politely and say "nope don't have any".

This is a perfect example of turning law-abiding citizens into 'criminals', while the real criminals keep on using their illegally procured weapons and munitions. The California Assembly is filled with either the most ignorant legislators in the country or they really do have diabolical designs.

22 posted on 03/19/2008 9:54:55 PM PDT by 7mmMag@LeftCoast (The DNC and Rino's: they put the CON into congress everyday.)
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To: REDWOOD99

“Fear the government that fears its citiens armed.”


23 posted on 03/19/2008 9:56:42 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Califreak

And so it begins.


24 posted on 03/19/2008 9:57:57 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If anything, NOW is the time for a "WeAreTheWorld", or "HandsAcrossAmerica" blockbuster on TIBET)
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To: Califreak
Sounds like the infamous Massachusetts "FID" (Firearms IDentification) Card.

One of my inventions (now patented) involved soldering metal spheres in a specific pattern on the back of a PWB to enhance thermal transfer. While building the prototypes for testing, I called my wife and asked her to pick up some raw materials (BBs) for me on her way home from work.

The clerk at first refused to sell her BBs (copper-plated iron balls) because she didn't have a FID Card. He changed his tune in a hurry when she pulled out her "For All Lawful Purposes" CCW license, and asked, "Will this do?"

LOL!!

25 posted on 03/19/2008 9:59:08 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Califreak

Yes, you numb nut politicians, law-abiding citizens are the problem. Just like your personal armed security guards are, and your police escorts, your sheriffs, your FBI agents, and your armed servicemen are.

They will never admit honest law abiding gun owners are not the problem. Law-abiding gun owners are not the ones committing gun crimes. These politicians are insane.

If you and they were in a room and a gun-carrying criminal burst in and threatened to shoot them, and you had your gun, what would they want you to do? Most would say if they were honest, to friggin’ shoot the criminal. A few would say, well I guess It’d be my time to die. They’d rather have you unable to help them than allow you to carry a gun and have a chance to save them.


26 posted on 03/19/2008 9:59:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Califreak
Maybe Indian reservations could set up ammo stores and not charge sales tax...
27 posted on 03/19/2008 10:00:50 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Carry_Okie

ping


28 posted on 03/19/2008 10:01:41 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast
You mean to tell me that the other Interstate stations are still stopping passenger cars?

Haven't been from Reno to Truckee lately, have you? They tore down the original and built a new one last year. All traffic lanes (including autos) on I80 go through it. It's beautiful and larger. My guess is it cost >$15 million.

29 posted on 03/19/2008 10:02:10 PM PDT by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: Califreak
that would require gun owners to obtain a “permit-to-purchase”

And will result in the biggest black market in ammo sales ever seen in this country. My guess is those promoting this legislation have ties with the Mexican underground who will be funneling proceeds the candidate's way to further their careers.

Any politico that can be connected to the Mexican Mafia and the money's generated via this legislation should be taken to the front gates of the California Exposition and executed by firing squad- live on TV.

30 posted on 03/19/2008 10:04:25 PM PDT by budwiesest (The Clinton fix is in. If these two crooks can't steal the election, nobody can.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Just like border checks, the ag checks are seldom open.

Even when they were open when was the last time you had one do more than talk through the window at you?


31 posted on 03/19/2008 10:05:16 PM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast
This is a perfect example of turning law-abiding citizens into 'criminals', while the real criminals keep on using their illegally procured weapons and munitions. The California Assembly is filled with either the most ignorant legislators in the country or they really do have diabolical designs.

Well, they peple could just start building their own coil guns. Lots of plans out there. Most parts available at Lowes and Radio Shack.

32 posted on 03/19/2008 10:06:15 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Califreak

Implicit in this is that all ammo sales are going to be recorded. So when it’s time to confiscate your firearms, all they’ll have to do is see who’s buying ammo.


33 posted on 03/19/2008 10:06:49 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Califreak
Bring it on, California Assembly. Smart people would go ‘Uhhh, oh-oh, we went too far...’, but nope, nope, they're right there, ready to make sure that the next 2nd Amendment challenge is right on it's way.
34 posted on 03/19/2008 10:13:55 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

How many vendors are going to bother with all of that?


35 posted on 03/19/2008 10:16:02 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Califreak

Cool! Maybe I can setup a little farm stand on the side of the road that sells ammo and smokes.


36 posted on 03/19/2008 10:16:56 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: 386wt

I was close:

0670103 Department of Food & Agriculture 13,906,598.00
SPWB Lease Revenue Bonds
Truckee Inspection Station –
Relocate Truckee Inspection Facility

http://www.treasurer.ca.gov/pmia-laif/pmib-agenda/20070221.pdf


37 posted on 03/19/2008 10:19:22 PM PDT by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: John Jorsett; AmericanInTokyo

>Implicit in this is that all ammo sales are going to be recorded. So when it’s time to confiscate your firearms, all they’ll have to do is see who’s buying ammo.<

Maybe way more information than they already have with registration and such.

Have I been asleep for a while or is the move to disarm America increasing exponentially?

It’s like they finally know they went too far and are desperate to disarm us before we can enact the armed rebellion they have been begging for.

I’m not inciting a rebellion here, I’m just sayin...


38 posted on 03/19/2008 10:24:01 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Myrddin

You have a great point, this ammo tax would be a specific squashing of a specific Constitutional right, it would impose taxes upon the base material requirement to exercise a Constitutional right, the law is legislated specifically to censor Constitutional rights. Try this “Differential treatment of the gun powder industry, then, places such a burden on the interests protected by the Second Amendment that such treatment cannot be countenanced unless the State asserts a counterbalancing interest of compelling importance that it cannot achieve without differential taxation.” California will have to justify this tax within an extremely narrow compelling interest argument.

Link to the Case Preview: http://supreme.justia.com/us/460/575/

Link to the Full Text of Case: http://supreme.justia.com/us/460/575/case.html
U.S. Supreme Court
Minneapolis Star v. Minnesota Comm’r, 460 U.S. 575 (1983)

Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co. v.

Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue

No. 81-1839

Argued January 12, 1983

Decided March 29, 1983

460 U.S. 575

Syllabus

While exempting periodic publications from its general sales and use tax, Minnesota imposes a “use tax” on the cost of paper and ink products consumed in the production of such a publication, but exempts the first 0,000 worth of paper and ink consumed in any calendar year. Appellant newspaper publisher brought an action seeking a refund of the ink and paper use taxes it had paid during certain years, contending that the tax violates, inter alia, the guarantee of the freedom of the press in the First Amendment. The Minnesota Supreme Court upheld the tax.

Held: The tax in question violates the First Amendment. P P. 579-593.

(a) There is no legislative history, and no indication, apart from the structure of the tax itself, of any impermissible or censorial motive on the part of the Minnesota Legislature in enacting the tax. Grosjean v. American Press Co., 297 U. S. 233, distinguished. Pp. 579-580.

(b) But by creating the special use tax, which is without parallel in the State’s tax scheme, Minnesota has singled out the press for special treatment. When a State so singles out the press, the political constraints that prevent a legislature from imposing crippling taxes of general applicability are weakened, and the threat of burdensome taxes becomes acute. That threat can operate as effectively as a censor to check critical comment by the press, thus undercutting the basic assumption of our political system that the press will often serve as an important restraint on government. Moreover, differential treatment, unless justified by some special characteristic of the press, suggests that the goal of the regulation is not unrelated to suppression of expression, and such goal is presumptively unconstitutional. Differential treatment of the press, then, places such a burden on the interests protected by the First Amendment that such treatment cannot be countenanced unless the State asserts a counterbalancing interest of compelling importance that it cannot achieve without differential taxation. P P. 581-585.

(c) Minnesota has offered no adequate justification for the special treatment of newspapers. Its interest in raising revenue, standing alone, cannot justify such treatment, for the alternative means of taxing businesses generally is clearly available. And the State has offered no explanation of why it chose to use a substitute for the sales tax, rather

Page 460 U. S. 576

than the sales tax itself. A rule that would automatically allow the State to single out the press for a different method of taxation as long as the effective burden is no different from that on other taxpayers or, as Minnesota asserts here, is lighter than that on other businesses, is to be avoided. The possibility of error inherent in such a rule poses too great a threat to concerns at the heart of the First Amendment. P P. 586-590.

(d) Minnesota’s ink and paper tax violates the First Amendment not only because it singles out the press, but also because it targets a small group of newspapers. The effect of the 0,000 exemption is that only a handful of publishers in the State pay any tax at all, and even fewer pay any significant amount of tax. To recognize a power in the State not only to single out the press, but also to tailor the tax so that it singles out a few members of the press, presents such a potential for abuse that no interest suggested by Minnesota can justify the scheme. P P. 591-592.

314 N.W.2d 201, reversed.

O’CONNOR, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C.J., and BRENNAN, MARSHALL, POWELL, and STEVENS, JJ., joined, in Part V of which WHITE, J., joined, and in all but footnote 12 of which BLACKMUN, J., joined. WHITE, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and dissenting in part, post, P. 593. REHNQUIST, J., filed a dissenting opinion, post, P. 596.


39 posted on 03/19/2008 10:24:27 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Secret Agent Man

They don’t need our help. I’m sure they are all covered.

Even DiFi has a CCW permit!


40 posted on 03/19/2008 10:27:18 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: 386wt

A part of California history, during the dust bowl years
you had to have a certain amount of cash in order to enter the state, these inspection stations are a remnant.
Woodie Guthrie sang about it in , “Dough re mi.”

Lots of folks back East, they say, is leavin’ home every day,
Beatin’ the hot old dusty way to the California line.
‘Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin’ out of that old dust bowl,
They think they’re goin’ to a sugar bowl, but here’s what they find —
Now, the police at the port of entry say,
“You’re number fourteen thousand for today.”
CHORUS:
Oh, if you ain’t got the do re mi, folks, you ain’t got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won’t find it so hot
If you ain’t got the do re mi.

You want to buy you a home or a farm, that can’t deal nobody harm,
Or take your vacation by the mountains or sea.
Don’t swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you are,
Better take this little tip from me.
‘Cause I look through the want ads every day
But the headlines on the papers always say:

If you ain’t got the do re mi, boys, you ain’t got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won’t find it so hot
If you ain’t got the do re mi.

Sometimes I think it would be a blessing if California just sank into the ocean.


41 posted on 03/19/2008 10:27:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: yankeedame

A government that doesn’t fear its citizens will do whatever it wants to them.

Government is supposed to fear its citizens. It’s what keeps them in line. That said, we’re so far from what the founding fathers intended with government it would be much harder to do what they did to King George over 230 years ago.


42 posted on 03/19/2008 10:35:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Califreak
Reload your ammunition. You won't spend any less money, but you'll shoot a lot more and have a much more reliable source of ammo.

Seriously, I wonder how many Dillon progressive reloaders will get sold in the near future out in California?

43 posted on 03/19/2008 10:36:03 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: JerseyHighlander
Thanks for tracking down the citation. I would hope that this case would provide precedent to nullify this law should it be approved.
44 posted on 03/19/2008 10:44:22 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Brucifer

I forsee state cameras at all range parking lots recording license plates. This state is getting serious about gun control of their subjects.


45 posted on 03/19/2008 10:50:27 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: Myrddin; JerseyHighlander

>Thanks for tracking down the citation. I would hope that this case would provide precedent to nullify this law should it be approved.<

I appreciate it too! I am trying to compose a letter and that citation could lend me more credibility so I don’t sound like just another “raving gun nut!”

My letter is way too long though. They probably won’t even read it. I was told these things have to be very brief and to the point, but how can you argue your case if it’s TOO brief?


46 posted on 03/19/2008 11:01:20 PM PDT by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: tubebender
Maybe Indian reservations could set up ammo stores and not charge sales tax...

If a government suddenly makes you a criminal, it is no longer your government. It has become the enemy- and should be treated as such.

47 posted on 03/19/2008 11:46:22 PM PDT by budwiesest (The Clinton fix is in. If these two crooks can't steal the election, nobody can.)
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To: 386wt

Yeah, and as a California state worker, you can also spend taxpayer bucks to pay dues to the special Ammo Patrol Association of California, so they can lobby for your job security (at the very least) and , including but not limited to taxpayer-funded travel to the nicest resort hotels around the country for “training” and “policy conferences.”


48 posted on 03/20/2008 12:37:55 AM PDT by MonicaG (Help Wanted: Conservative leadership '08)
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To: 7mmMag@LeftCoast

“or they really do have diabolical designs.”

All leftist thought, from the limousine liberalism of morons like Sean Penn to the mass murdering ways of Stalin and Mao, is of and from Satan.

Diabolical is exactly right, although I doubt that many of them realize it.


49 posted on 03/20/2008 1:06:00 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Myrddin
Pretty much any ammunition can be fired from a handgun. Think T/C Encore and Contender pistols.

Think Marlin Lever actions in .44 mag or .357, 9 mm carbines and thompsons (.45), not to mention .22 LR.

How can they even pretend to say what type of firearm it is for?

50 posted on 03/20/2008 1:16:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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