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Paul to GOP: Why don't you Neocon Constitution-haters like me?
Red State ^ | March 20, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 03/20/2008 7:11:35 AM PDT by jdm

Representative Ron Paul, Republican nominee for Congress in Texas district 14, believes there is a 'New Right' conspiracy against him in the GOP.

Despite the fact that he shifted effort from his Presidential campaign to ensure he beat the mainstream Republican, Chris Peden, in the Texas 14 primary, and that he still has neither endorsed John McCain for President nor even acknowledged that he needs to work with McCain to ensure Republican victory in November, Paul thinks the burden is on the party to come to him.

Read on...

Says the Washington Times:

The Texas congressman says neither he nor his supporters have heard from Mr. McCain or Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan since March 4, when the Arizona senator accumulated enough delegates to clinch the party's presidential nomination.

"I don't think they want them," Mr. Paul told The Washington Times, adding that indifference doesn't surprise him because the party's establishment has deserted traditional conservative principles for big government and foreign intervention.

"We don't agree with them," he says. "We agree with the Old Right, and they're the New Right, which is 'The Wrong,' [because] the New Right has morphed into neoconservative."

Look, Congressman, it's very simple: You have sold yourself as a Republican to the voters in your home district. They believed it, but the rest of us are not bound to do the same. After all your outlandish rhetoric this campaign season, the burden is on you to prove that you are back in the fold by endorsing John McCain for President. Just take that one step, and that will prove we can work with you.

Had you won the Republican nomination, surely anyone who failed to back you would have been relegated to Republican in Name Only status, and been held up for mockery and attack. The time has come for you to hold up your end of the deal and avoid that fate. Nobody will ask you to campaign for Senator McCain, though it would be nice of you to do some outreach to your supporters. Just ask your supporters to vote for him, though, in one simple, unambiguous statement. I have no connections inside the national GOP, but I have to believe that is all anyone wants.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: constitution; gop; lunatic; ronpaul
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1 posted on 03/20/2008 7:11:36 AM PDT by jdm
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To: jdm

He’s totally nuts.

I don’t LIKE him because he is a NEO CON.

Good riddance, Ron Paul.


2 posted on 03/20/2008 7:13:15 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Paul is a No-Con.
3 posted on 03/20/2008 7:15:57 AM PDT by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: nmh

You may want to look up the definition of a neo-con. Ron Paul does not quality.


4 posted on 03/20/2008 7:17:10 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: jdm
Representative Ron Paul, Republican nominee for Congress in Texas district 14, believes there is a 'New Right' conspiracy against him in the GOP.


5 posted on 03/20/2008 7:18:05 AM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: jdm

Paul has more conservative in his little finger than McCain has on his entire hand.

If it weren’t for his idiotic take on isolationism, and his refusal to reject the nutcase racists that infected his publications team at one point, then he’d be viable.

But, if one simply takes 20 conservative issues and compares Paul and McCain, Paul would rate a 19 and McCain would be lucky to get to 9.

McCain still is not my choice UNLESS he picks a known, viable, non-Cino, conservative running mate.


6 posted on 03/20/2008 7:18:34 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: jdm

I’m actually going to (gasp!) stand up for Paul on this one—if he doesn’t agree with McCain’s stands on issues, there’s no real reason for him to make the symbolic move of endorsing him.

And honestly, considering the makeup of the odd coalition of supporters that Paul put together during his run, I’d say more of them will be voting for Ralph Nader than would vote for John McCain anyway.

}:-)4


7 posted on 03/20/2008 7:18:58 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey GOP...don't move toward the middle. Move the middle toward us.)
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To: nmh

Ron Paul is many things, but he’s certainly not a neo-con. If anything, he’s nearly a line-by-line Libertarian. Open borders, isolationist, minimal government, and so on.


8 posted on 03/20/2008 7:19:30 AM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: xzins
Paul has more conservative in his little finger than McCain has on his entire hand body.

There. Fixed it for you. :o)

9 posted on 03/20/2008 7:20:28 AM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: nmh

Because he’s a freak??


10 posted on 03/20/2008 7:20:49 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: xzins

unless you are shrimp-boater, then Ron Paul is a liberal as John Murtha.

You also forgot the Alex Jones 911-truthers.


11 posted on 03/20/2008 7:22:45 AM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: Digital Sniper

Thanks.

Will Paul take the Constitution Party nomination?


12 posted on 03/20/2008 7:22:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: jdm
that will prove we can work with you

And the Party's establishment's side of that bargain would be...?

13 posted on 03/20/2008 7:23:01 AM PDT by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: Perdogg

Anyone who attempts to equate Paul and senile John Murtha is going to have a tough sell with me. State your case.


14 posted on 03/20/2008 7:24:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: jdm
he still has neither endorsed John McCain for President nor even acknowledged that he needs to work with McCain to ensure Republican victory in November

Is this phrase trying to imply that McCain needs Ron Paul to win in November?

I don't know whether McCain will win or not (I suspect he will), but I know the Ron Paul endorsement will carry him about as far towards victory as the endorsements of a barber named Gus in Des Moines and bus driver named Suzie in Laredo.

Paul has his anti-war base of moonbats, but they are not voting for McCain. Ever.

15 posted on 03/20/2008 7:25:28 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: xzins
The sad thing is that Ron Paul's incompetent run for the White House has done more to discredit Constitutionalists than the Libs could do in 20 years of work.

And the r3VOLutianries will be around for years to mess things up. The local GOP is now neck-deep in Pauleroids wanting to pass idiot resolutions against the war in Iraq, and calling for the dissolution of the Federal Reserve, and siding with the progressives on every local issue.

There are plenty of them who still believe they can steal the nomination this fall if they get enough delegates to switch their vote from McCain to Paul.

16 posted on 03/20/2008 7:27:17 AM PDT by Thunder Pig (Sometimes you have to roll the hard six. ---Cmdr Wm Adama)
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To: jdm

It couldn’t be because he acts as if he is a few bricks shy of having a full load could it?


17 posted on 03/20/2008 7:28:00 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: xzins
Will Paul take the Constitution Party nomination?

That's a tough call. I don't think he wants to be Nader(R) on this cycle, though he would certainly be a good fit with either the Constitutional and Libertarian parties. I think he's more likely to stick with his congressional race and hold other Republican's feet to the fire when he takes office.

Your take?

18 posted on 03/20/2008 7:28:06 AM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: jdm

He’s right. I will oppose him, and anyone who supported his just. Until he gets his head screwed on straight about the war, I want nothing to do with him.


19 posted on 03/20/2008 7:29:07 AM PDT by Thunder Pig (Sometimes you have to roll the hard six. ---Cmdr Wm Adama)
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To: jdm

RP trashes the Republican Party every chance he has then whines they don’t reach out to him........what a fruit cake.


20 posted on 03/20/2008 7:29:26 AM PDT by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: jdm

Because he’s a big dork.


21 posted on 03/20/2008 7:29:26 AM PDT by smartin (The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)
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To: Thunder Pig
"He’s right. I will oppose him, and anyone who supported his just."

should read ...his run. Don't ask how that happened!

22 posted on 03/20/2008 7:31:14 AM PDT by Thunder Pig (Sometimes you have to roll the hard six. ---Cmdr Wm Adama)
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To: nmh

For me its not so much the message as it is the messenger. Some (emphasis some) of his positions are sound, but the man himself is just a bit too squirrelly.

He kinda parallels the moonbats and Kucinich over there; they all agree with him policy-wise but don’t want to put him within a million miles of the party nomination.


23 posted on 03/20/2008 7:32:53 AM PDT by mquinn
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To: jdm

Nobody’s going to “work with him” as long as he keeps telling people that being a republic doesn’t mean “electing Republicans”.


24 posted on 03/20/2008 7:33:12 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: jdm
... the burden is on you to prove that you are back in the fold by endorsing John McCain for President.

Please deposit your soul in the waste receptacle to your left.

25 posted on 03/20/2008 7:35:18 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: xzins

Ron Paul has brought in a lot of pork for the Shrimp boaters.

pork and shrimp, making me hungry.


26 posted on 03/20/2008 7:38:46 AM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: SolidWood
Sorry, Ron Paul is an ignorant paranoid CON ARTIST!

There, that's much better.

27 posted on 03/20/2008 7:40:58 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
“You may want to look up the definition of a neo-con. Ron Paul does not quality.”

He exemplifies it.

Good riddance, Ron Paul!

28 posted on 03/20/2008 7:41:44 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: mquinn

He’s a loon.


29 posted on 03/20/2008 7:42:28 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: jdm

I used to kinda like the guy, that was before I started learning just who he really was and what he advocates. Now I can hardly stand to hear or look at him. I know he claims to be a Libertarian but if he is an example of that party then please, go away and don’t bother me! We don’t need anymore wacko politicians.


30 posted on 03/20/2008 7:54:26 AM PDT by Ron H. (122112)
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To: Digital Sniper

I don’t know Paul’s track record on “political speak,” but any denial about running for office has always been suspect. There’s always a way to justify it.

Paul isn’t getting any younger, and Paul’s never going to be the Republican nominee, so maybe his ego and age would drive him to take the CP nomination.

If the CP comes calling, I’m guessing that Paul would take it. It would put him in the role of spoiler, and he’s 73 years old. This is his last chance.


31 posted on 03/20/2008 8:01:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: nmh
“You may want to look up the definition of a neo-con. Ron Paul does not quality.”

He exemplifies it.

Good riddance, Ron Paul!

You're showing total ignorance. Ron Paul is NOT a neo-con. Most likely YOU are the neo-con, if you agree with most of what Bush has been doing.

32 posted on 03/20/2008 8:04:11 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Ron H.
correction to #30: I know he claims to be a Libertarian Republican
33 posted on 03/20/2008 8:04:58 AM PDT by Ron H. (122112)
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To: jdm
I made a short video to describe why I don't like him.

Ron Paul at a glance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-bdawoMew

34 posted on 03/20/2008 8:05:30 AM PDT by april15Bendovr (Free Republic & Ron Paul Cult = oxymoron)
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To: Thunder Pig

How did that happen?

:>)


35 posted on 03/20/2008 8:10:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Swordfished; nmh

nmh clearly doesn’t understand what a “neo-con” is - that would be George Bush/John McCain types - but his post record indicates that nmh is not a neo-con himself. Neo-cons don’t protest open borders, and neo-cons welcome the leftward movement of the GOP.

It’s an interesting thread to have this discussion in, considering that the neo-cons are the ones who decided the “Big Tent” had room for global warming chicken littles and big government socialists and anti-freedom crusaders, but no room for small-government libertarians and paleocons (traditional conservatives).


36 posted on 03/20/2008 8:11:12 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: jdm

Ron Paul’s influence is still important. He was the only candidate who talked about abolishing entire federal agencies because there is no basis for them in the constitution...just as republicans used to profess during the 90’s. Bush was more liberal than even Bob Dole, who called for the elimination of 4 depts.


37 posted on 03/20/2008 8:14:45 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: xzins

I think he just wants to keep his House seat. For all his libertarian talk, he sure doesn’t believe in term limits.


38 posted on 03/20/2008 8:18:12 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: Content Provider

neo-con usually refers to foreign policy.

If you supported the war with iraq because you thought saddam had to be taken out because he was a threat to the US, you may not necessarily be a neo-con.

If you supported the war because you want to turn iraq into a democracy or because you thought Saddam deserved it because he oppressed his own people, then you are a neo-con.


39 posted on 03/20/2008 8:23:33 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: ari-freedom
"If you supported the war because you want to turn iraq into a democracy or because you thought Saddam deserved it because he oppressed his own people, then you are a neo-con."

Then I guess that makes me a Super Neo-Con. I think it our duty as a Free Nation to seek the Freedom on all men, and should use whatever means at our disposal to accomplish that. Even if it means citizens forming extra-military groups to further that goal, primarily using 5GW methods.


40 posted on 03/20/2008 8:42:54 AM PDT by Thunder Pig (Sometimes you have to roll the hard six. ---Cmdr Wm Adama)
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To: Perdogg; xzins

“...Ron Paul is a liberal as John Murtha.”

I’m with xzins. Make your case. I don’t think that you can do it.

I don’t agree with Paul on a few things — the war being the biggest one — but he is not a liberal.


41 posted on 03/20/2008 8:49:54 AM PDT by Harvey105
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To: ari-freedom

I know a way to get term limits WITHOUT doing “constitutionally questionable” things.

Support a law that progressively invests in congressional pay/pensions/benefits up to the 12 year mark and then progressively disinvests in them for each term afterwards.

2 years = 16%
4 years = 32%%
6 years = 48%
12 years = 100%
14 years = 84%
16 years = 68%
18 years = 50%
20 years = 25%
24 years = 0%

They are free to stay, but they lose pay and benefits once they pass the 12 year mark.

Career politicians are not an indispensable commodity.


42 posted on 03/20/2008 9:26:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Harvey105

but he is a liberal on the war


43 posted on 03/20/2008 9:47:58 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: xzins

I like that idea


44 posted on 03/20/2008 9:48:44 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: xzins

Fix the pay of elected officials to precisely the median income of their jurisdiction (i.e. all federal elected officials get the US income median as their compensation). Term limits and corrective behavior incentives all in one package.


45 posted on 03/20/2008 9:50:24 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: april15Bendovr

That video sucks as much now as when you first posted it.


46 posted on 03/20/2008 10:25:22 AM PDT by jmc813 (The Who - Join Together '89 = Great live album. Check it.)
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To: ari-freedom
neo-con usually refers to foreign policy.

If you supported the war with iraq because you thought saddam had to be taken out because he was a threat to the US, you may not necessarily be a neo-con.

If you supported the war because you want to turn iraq into a democracy or because you thought Saddam deserved it because he oppressed his own people, then you are a neo-con.

Your above post is mostly correct but you leave out that neo-con foreign policy is liberal foreign policy - nation-building, world policing, etc. So, it's amazing your next post calls Ron Paul 'liberal' on the war.

It's you who's liberal on the war, by your own admission of being a neo-con. The goal-posts have been moved, cleverly, and conservatism redefined by globalist, New World Order types.

If you supported the war because you want to turn iraq into a democracy or because you thought Saddam deserved it because he oppressed his own people, then you are a neo-con.

How many other dictators oppress their own people? How many countries aren't democracies? Do you propose invading each, or just 1 every 5-10 years?

47 posted on 03/20/2008 10:55:55 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished
“You're showing total ignorance. Ron Paul is NOT a neo-con. Most likely YOU are the neo-con, if you agree with most of what Bush has been doing.”

LOL!

Want to see an ignorant soul - look in the mirror!

I don't have to “agree” with Bush to NOT be a Ron Paul supporter - this kind of “logic” is typical of the irrational and loony Ron Paul supporters. I'm so glad the idiot LOST. He is a loser and always will be. It doesn't matter how many times he runs - he has NO influence and NO impact on anything because he is a lunatic.

48 posted on 03/20/2008 11:02:25 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Content Provider
nmh clearly doesn’t understand what a “neo-con” is - that would be George Bush/John McCain types - but his post record indicates that nmh is not a neo-con himself. Neo-cons don’t protest open borders, and neo-cons welcome the leftward movement of the GOP.

It’s an interesting thread to have this discussion in, considering that the neo-cons are the ones who decided the “Big Tent” had room for global warming chicken littles and big government socialists and anti-freedom crusaders, but no room for small-government libertarians and paleocons (traditional conservatives).


Ron Paul is another neo-con.

The “big tent” is what destroyed the GOP and people like Ron Paul make also destroy the GOP with their loony political rhetoric. Ron Paul turns the GOP into a joke. Ron Paul needs a softly padded rubber room to help him recuperate.

49 posted on 03/20/2008 11:04:48 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

You’re out of your mind.


50 posted on 03/20/2008 11:09:45 AM PDT by Swordfished
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