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Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert
Adnkronos International ^ | 20 March

Posted on 03/20/2008 11:08:16 AM PDT by george76

No churches should be permitted in Saudi Arabia, unless Pope Benedict XVI recognised the prophet Mohammed...

"It would be possible to launch official negotiations to construct a church in Saudi Arabia only after the Pope and all the Christian churches recognise the prophet Mohammed."

"If they don't recognise him as a prophet, how can we have a church in the Saudi kingdom?"

Ashiqi's comments came after a declaration launched by the papal nuncio of the Persian Gulf, the archbishop Mounged El-Hachem, at the opening of the first Catholic church in Qatar last week.

El-Hachem estimated three to four million Christians in the Saudi kingdom who want to have a church.

A member of Saudi Arabia's Consultative Council, Abdelaziz al-Thinani, rejected the prelate's claims saying that there were no Christians among the Saudis who were all Muslims.

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1 posted on 03/20/2008 11:08:17 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Does “recognizing him” as a false prophet count?


2 posted on 03/20/2008 11:09:16 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: george76
...unless Pope Benedict XVI recognised the prophet Mohammed...

Then it looks like no churches.

3 posted on 03/20/2008 11:10:12 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: george76
Ok, so if we put a sign outside that reads: Alaha is a false god, another name for the moon god, aka satan!” would that be sufficient?
4 posted on 03/20/2008 11:10:14 AM PDT by deuteronlmy232 (Before you have sex outside of marriage read deuteronomy 23:2)
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To: george76

In other words, they will only allow the building of a church if the church is a mosque.


5 posted on 03/20/2008 11:10:36 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: george76

They are our de facto allies due to having some of the same enemies but the Saudis really are not our friends.


6 posted on 03/20/2008 11:10:56 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: G8 Diplomat; NYer

Anwar Ashiqi


7 posted on 03/20/2008 11:11:22 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I think we should apply the same test they do, for money they spend for mosques in the West. No churches unless they acknowledge Mohamed as a prophet?

OK, then no mosques (or money for them from the Saudis) until they recognize Jesus as God.


8 posted on 03/20/2008 11:11:56 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: george76

How can we recognize him, if you won’t allow any pictures of him?


9 posted on 03/20/2008 11:12:14 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: george76
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

John the Babtist was the last prophet. After Messiah has come, there is no need for any more prophets. Sorry Mo.

10 posted on 03/20/2008 11:13:01 AM PDT by bird4four4 (Behead those who suggest Islam is violent!)
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To: george76

One day, who knows when, it will be cheaper just to invade that stupid country, and set it up as an oil producing protectorate, rather than pay $100+ a barrel for oil AND put up with this crap. One day.


11 posted on 03/20/2008 11:13:13 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

Yeah. One Day.


12 posted on 03/20/2008 11:14:53 AM PDT by Regulator (Hint: Don't Procrastinate)
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To: george76

I recognize Mohamhead as a child molester,a murdering barbarian, and an anti-christ. Does this suffice?


13 posted on 03/20/2008 11:15:04 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (The Presidential election is a race to the bottom. Which Party will out stupid the other to lose ?)
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To: george76

Isn’t it nice having such wonderful friends in the region?


14 posted on 03/20/2008 11:15:22 AM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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To: george76
All Your Pedophile Prophets Are Belong to Us
15 posted on 03/20/2008 11:15:24 AM PDT by avacado (Thomas Sowell: "Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.")
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To: george76
Scimitar
"POOP"™-- religion of the (Perpetually Outraged, Offended and Placated)


16 posted on 03/20/2008 11:15:35 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: Republic of Texas
One day, who knows when, it will be cheaper just to invade that stupid country, and set it up as an oil producing protectorate, rather than pay $100+ a barrel for oil AND put up with this crap.

Yep. We can fix Eisenhowers mistake one day.

L

17 posted on 03/20/2008 11:15:39 AM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: george76

I think I recognize him. Isn’t he that guy over there with the beard and turban, who taught his followers that it’s OK to lie, rape, steal, enslave, and kill, in the name of a false god named Allah?


18 posted on 03/20/2008 11:16:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: george76
Poll:

Do you think Islam is a serious threat to our Judeo-Christian heritage?

After clicking link, scroll down on homepage to see the poll question.

19 posted on 03/20/2008 11:16:33 AM PDT by JeepInMazar (http://www.truthformuslims.com)
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To: george76
"It would be possible to launch official negotiations to construct a church in Saudi Arabia only after the Pope and all the Christian churches recognise the prophet Mohammed." "If they don't recognise him as a prophet, how can we have a church in the Saudi kingdom?"

Sounds logical. Kind of like: "If they don't allow Christians to set foot in Mecca, how can we allow Muslims to build Mosques in Europe and the US?"

20 posted on 03/20/2008 11:17:55 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Regulator; Lurker

The higher the price of oil, the sooner that day comes. It’s a simple cost-benefit equation. Same goes for Venezuela.


21 posted on 03/20/2008 11:18:20 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

When they build a Cathedral in mecca than maybe we can believe them. Until then they could go and f@#k themselves till mohimimad comes back from h@#l.


22 posted on 03/20/2008 11:20:34 AM PDT by cameraeye (The Lords Prayer on Obama's Lips? Where's the video?)
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To: george76
I recognize Mohammed as a pedophilic fraud with psychiatric disorders. Hope that counts.
23 posted on 03/20/2008 11:21:06 AM PDT by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: george76
only after the Pope and all the Christian churches recognise the prophet Mohammed

I recognize Mohammed as the founder of Islam – a cult of death.

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,"Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

24 posted on 03/20/2008 11:21:32 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED)
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To: george76
"It would be possible to launch official negotiations to construct a church in Saudi Arabia only after the Pope and all the Christian churches recognise the prophet Mohammed."

He says this knowing full well that even if the Pope were to bend, they still wouldnt have to live up to their promise until virtually every Christian church on the planet recognized the Prophet Mohammed as a legitimate prophet. If the churches were to do such a thing, the very act of recognizing Mohammed as a legitimate prophet would legitimize his teachings in which he portrays Jesus simply as another prophet and not the son of god. This would nullify the entire Christian faith so of course they will never do such a thing.

Talk about a bunch of double talk which makes it appear as if he is willing to compromise but upon scrutiny is offering no compromise at all. How typical of the Saudi representatives. It is also typical reporting which while not neccesarily biasing the information, does not point out the obvious fact that this offer of compromise is nothing of the sort.
25 posted on 03/20/2008 11:22:06 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Maceman
Sounds logical. Kind of like: "If they don't allow Christians to set foot in Mecca, how can we allow Muslims to build Mosques in Europe and the US?"

Because 50+% of our countries are run by socialist, whining, frightened surrender monkeys.

26 posted on 03/20/2008 11:23:53 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: george76
Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert

How can anyone recognize him if the Muslims won't allow any pictures of him to be published?

("I think they might be him, but without a picture I can't be sure.")

27 posted on 03/20/2008 11:24:17 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: george76

Doesn’t make sense that the pope would recognize a pedophile like Mohamdamn.


28 posted on 03/20/2008 11:25:35 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: george76

Dear Saudia Arabia,
FU


29 posted on 03/20/2008 11:25:41 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: george76
"All you need to do is bow down before me, and all the world will be yours."

Sorry, heard this deal before. (And again in Star Wars...)

30 posted on 03/20/2008 11:25:48 AM PDT by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: george76

take note folks.

These are the same mentality to demand we just accept human created global warming on mere say so.

Their world view sees religious domination as just a part of government.

1. convert
2. submit
3. die

Here the religious islamic dictators are demanding the pope admit christianity is a fake religion.


31 posted on 03/20/2008 11:27:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: george76
“If they don't recognize him as a prophet, how can we have a church in the Saudi kingdom?”



That's Muslim circular logic for you. Of course they do not recognize the Christ, but we tolerate their mosques en masse. However, the other way round they're asking us to change our religion so we can have 1 church in Saudi. These people are really scared of the power of the gospel to change their measly society.

32 posted on 03/20/2008 11:29:16 AM PDT by seppel
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To: george76

Well how does this work? It’s blasphamy to havwe a drawing of Muhammed, so how’s the pope going to recognize him? It’s not like he’s seen him in person.


33 posted on 03/20/2008 11:30:16 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Izzy Dunne; george76
How can we recognize him, if you won’t allow any pictures of him?

He's easy to find and recognize. He's in the 8th circle of Hell among the other Sowers of Discord with a split torso.


34 posted on 03/20/2008 11:30:21 AM PDT by edpc (Republican Attack Machine Field Service Technician)
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To: wideawake
In other words, they will only allow the building of a church if the church is a mosque.

Who said anything about building.
They only said said they'd
"Talk about it"

35 posted on 03/20/2008 11:30:35 AM PDT by jokar (The Church age is the only time we will be able to Glorify God, http://www.gbible.org)
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To: bird4four4
John the Babtist was the last Old Testament prophet. After Messiah has come and after the completion of the New Testament canon, there is no need for any more prophets.

Fixed it ....

36 posted on 03/20/2008 11:31:48 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you torture the data long enough, it will confess, even to crimes it did not commit")
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To: El Cid

BUMP


37 posted on 03/20/2008 11:32:36 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: george76
unless Pope Benedict XVI recognised the prophet Mohammed...

I think I know the answer, but what say you PaPa.

38 posted on 03/20/2008 11:34:49 AM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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Hey Anwar Ashiqi show the Holy Father this picture:

...I am sure he would recognize it as the pig-sucking false prophet Mohammed immediately.

Start building boys.

39 posted on 03/20/2008 11:36:12 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("...millions hate what they mistakenly think that the Catholic Church is." ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen)
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Hey, Mohammad, I got your recognition RIGHT HERE!
40 posted on 03/20/2008 11:38:15 AM PDT by Othniel (Kirk: Don't trust them. Don't believe them. Spock: They're dying. Kirk: LET THEM DIE.)
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To: george76
No one denies that Mohammed was a prophet, but a prophet of what? And what are the implications of such a recognition? And if Muslims insist that Mohammed be recognized as a prophet, are they willing to recognize Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God?
41 posted on 03/20/2008 11:38:59 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: El Cid

Yeah, “Devil” is all over the bible.


42 posted on 03/20/2008 11:46:14 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: george76
I think we ought to ban Mosques in Christian countries until churches are built all over Saudi Arabia.
43 posted on 03/20/2008 11:52:49 AM PDT by monday
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To: george76
If they don't recognise him as a prophet, how can we have a church in the Saudi kingdom?

Yo Ashiqi, it's called "freedom of religion". Most people here in the US don't recognize Mohammed as a prophet, yet we allow mosques to be built out of respect for Muslim's religious freedom. You should reciprocate there in Saudi Arabia - what are you afraid of? Why are you so scared of Christianity?

A member of Saudi Arabia's Consultative Council, Abdelaziz al-Thinani, rejected the prelate's claims saying that there were no Christians among the Saudis who were all Muslims.

Bull. If that's true, why not allow churches to be built then, since according to you they will just be empty buildings? Again I ask...what are you so afraid of?

44 posted on 03/20/2008 11:53:47 AM PDT by vrwc1
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To: george76
"If they don't recognise him as a prophet, how can we have a church in the Saudi kingdom?"

Well, Mr. Ashiqi, the US government does not officially recognize Jesus as the Son of God, Moses as the Lawgiver, Muhammed as The Prophet, or the Buddha as The Enlightened One, yet we allow Christian churches, Jewish synagogues, Islamic mosques, and Buddhist temples. It's actually quite simple. It's called freedom.
45 posted on 03/20/2008 11:59:32 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: george76

46 posted on 03/20/2008 12:01:11 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: george76
No churches should be permitted in Saudi Arabia, unless Pope Benedict XVI recognised the prophet Mohammed...

Fair enough. Then let the dynamiting of every single mosque in Italy begin immediately.
47 posted on 03/20/2008 12:02:18 PM PDT by Antoninus (Tell us how you came to Barack?)
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To: george76

So we can have Catholic Churhes there, but only if they teach Islam. Uh huh. FOAD, Saudi scum.


48 posted on 03/20/2008 12:03:50 PM PDT by piytar
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To: wideawake

This is standard sharia law. And it will be thus wherever muslims are allowed to get their way.

No churches may be built or repaired.
No public observance of other religions is allowed.
People of other religions must where identifying clothing.
All non-muslims must pay the “jizya” tax upon demand or be beaten.

more and more paradise under the Religion of Peace.


49 posted on 03/20/2008 12:04:14 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I make an “image of Muhamed” every morning, about the same time...


50 posted on 03/20/2008 12:04:48 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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