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Oil dependency is America's ruin
Miami Herald ^ | 3/20/2008 | Gal Luft

Posted on 03/20/2008 11:16:35 AM PDT by Uncledave

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To: Uncledave
My solution again is to:
—Drill ANWAR and use the protesting environmentalists to grease the treads of our bulldozers.
—Drill off the coast of Florida, same thing with environmentalists
—Aggressively build nukes, again with environmentalists
—Drop the pretense that bio fuels are a serious source of energy
—Expand wind and solar where it makes sense

That's my starting list..

21 posted on 03/20/2008 11:42:05 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: Uncledave; RedStateRocker; Dementon; eraser2005; Calpernia; DTogo; Maelstrom; Yehuda; babble-on
Uncle dave, this was all so avoidable. A hefty increase in domestic production and refining capacity would have seen us safely through the crisis and the intervening years toward the development of some viable alternatives.

No policy. No progress. No WH Leadership. We have had an oil man in the WH for 7 years+ ... so where's the oil policy? We gotta get the basics straight. Domestic Oil, Nuclear and Coal are the energy tripod we need in place now ... and we don't have. Now it will take another 5-10 years. Hopefully by the time a sane program is in place, our GNP will not be the same as Liberia's.

The reason we went to to foreign oil in the frst place was cost ... not domestic shortages ... and then because of the cheapness of the foreign stuff, we didn't develop new sources here.

We need a leader who will shoot a Democrat a day until domestic production and refining are at a point where we can use them to at least temper world oil prices. A FIVE_YEAR PLAN.

22 posted on 03/20/2008 11:42:20 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (GOP Plank: Double Domestic Crude Production. Increase refining capacity 50percent)
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To: Uncledave
Its the same old Liberal Crap. They created it, they maintain it, they propagate it. In addition this is propigated by these left Leaning Loonies. Don't drill here nonsense. Where do they think Louisiana, Alabama,Mississippi get over 45 percent of there tax dollars from. Answer Royalties.
My statement start drilling
Step 2 build 3 refineries in depressed areas in Northwest panhandle of Florida.

You want to stop the money going to Arabia simple. Drill in the straits of Cuba and Florida before the Chinese due it for Castro. Drill in Anwar The Alaskans need the tax money big time. Are you tree huggers so stupid that you cut off your hands to spite your face. We need US oil wells and US Refineries. With our knowledge we could build them safe and sound. All this renewable energy is clap trap pure and simple. If its so great than great take the govt subsidies away from it and it implodes as to what it really is CLAPTRAP from the Tree Huggers who lie worse than Washington does.......While your at it take our Governor Sunshine sam and make him Secretary of The Dept of Stupidity!. Thats where him and Nancy Perlosi and HildaBeast belong! You want a comparison of parties watch carefully Louisiana Democratic State Wilma left 7 years ago. Rebuilding when? Florida Same Hurricane same problems except no levees. Back up and running 72 hours after the Cane. Louisiana let people die in Nursing Homes Florida Called The WVa ANG and flew out the Nursing Home Pt's . Lets see any more questions?

23 posted on 03/20/2008 11:43:21 AM PDT by straps (Off the coast of Florida is enough oil and natural gas to take care of all the pet programs that the)
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To: Uncledave

We could deport all of the Democrats, and then our problem would be solved.


24 posted on 03/20/2008 11:43:24 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: thackney

Yeah, I knew that, even as I posted it...but there’s no reason for any oil be used for power generation.

I saw an article that grouped heating and power generation together te other day.


25 posted on 03/20/2008 11:43:31 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: Uncledave

Gal Luft is an idiot. Ethanol is part of the problem, not the solution. The only practical solution at this time that is more than marginal is nuclear power, although certainly we should work toward greater fuel efficiency as well.

The problem, of course, is that the Saudis now seem to own all of our politicians, ambassadors, and the whole State Department. Plus the middle eastern departments in our top universities. All bought and paid for with our gas money. Our political leaders are only too happy to work with misguided idiot greenies to keep us dependent on Arab oil.

We just gave the Palestinians a big infusion of cash to subidize their terrorism. Now, why did we do that? Could it be because those responsible have been bought and paid for by the Saudis? Maybe some sheikh told Bush or Cheney, “Give our Palestinian friends some money, and we’ll return the favor by lowering the price of gas by half a cent at your pumps.”


26 posted on 03/20/2008 11:45:02 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rightinthemiddle
...but there’s no reason for any oil be used for power generation

Not even residual oil and petroleum coke that already have had the gasoline, diesel and other lighter product removed from it?

27 posted on 03/20/2008 11:46:21 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: straps
Drill in Anwar The Alaskans need the tax money big time.

ANWR is federal land, therefor Alaska would receive no royalty payments for it. If it were Alaska State land like Prudhoe Bay, the oil would have been flowing decades ago.

28 posted on 03/20/2008 11:48:15 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Delete “any” from my post.


29 posted on 03/20/2008 11:48:24 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: Uncledave
Good analysis except for the solution. Not a word about the incredible impediments that have been placed in the way of further oil and nuclear energy development in the US. The US is committing suicide by its own hand and the global warming, carbon offset, scam is just another step in that in that sorry effort.
30 posted on 03/20/2008 11:51:23 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Squantos
Create cheap energy by drilling in the CONUS and it’s territorial waters NOW !

Does it matter where it comes from? Oil is a commodity sold on the market, wouldn't it just get exported for higher profit? Petroleum stocks are up, oil imports are down and refineries are slowing production. That tells me there is no shortage and prices are being kept high in the market. Seems that we would have to nationalize the oil industry to directly control the oil and force prices down because I doubt they'll shoot themselves in the bottom line.

31 posted on 03/20/2008 11:57:25 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism

Interesting thoughts. And consider that increased production will lead to lower prices and increased worldwide consumption will happily absorb that.

I’ll all for drilling in the US, but we’ve got to start moving away from oil that’s pumped out of the ground. A more electricity-based transportation system is the key: electrified rail, plug-in cars for short haul suburban/urban use, electricity-to-H2, etc.


32 posted on 03/20/2008 12:07:54 PM PDT by Uncledave
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To: Kenny Bunk

No policy. No progress. No WH Leadership. We have had an oil man in the WH for 7 years+ ... so where’s the oil policy?


Mind-boggling, isn’t it? He’s pushing hydrogen. :P


33 posted on 03/20/2008 12:10:12 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Realism
wouldn't it just get exported for higher profit?

Why do you think the US would not pay market rates? As long as we pay close to market rates it will cost more to transport it elsewhere.

Petroleum stocks are up

Not compared to consumption, compare days of supply instead of just barrels.

U.S. Crude Oil excluding SPR Days of Supply
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/w_epc0_vsd_nus_daysw.htm

U.S. Total Gasoline Days of Supply
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/w_epm0_vsd_nus_daysw.htm

U.S. Total Distillate Days of Supply
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/w_epd0_vsd_nus_daysw.htm

oil imports are down

No, they are not.

U.S. Weekly Crude Oil Imports Excluding SPR
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/wceimus24.htm

and refineries are slowing production

Every Spring there is a reduction in refinery production as we transition from winter fuels to summer fuels. That is part of the reason for the high gasoline stocks in preparation for the downtime.

That tells me there is no shortage and prices are being kept high in the market.

Oil is a global commodity, we use less than a quarter of it. Oil prices are up all over the world.

Seems that we would have to nationalize the oil industry to directly control the oil

Since most of the oil we consume is produced OUTSIDE the US, just how do you think we are going to get more oil that way?

I doubt they'll shoot themselves in the bottom line

Uhm, nationalizing the companies means bottom line no longer has meaning because it is no longer privately owned, but controlled by the government. You believe government operates more economically than private business?

34 posted on 03/20/2008 12:11:06 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I guess it all depends on where you get the info. I read it here...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1988266/posts
35 posted on 03/20/2008 12:18:45 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism

Dunno..........good points .

There is not a viable realistic alternative that we can choose from for day too day needs. We have to have fuel for our vehicles. But when said market maintains such a profit margin for something that we NEED, HAVE to have ! I say set controls and export limits.

For folks that work at home or live within walking distance of work this is only an issue when they the consumer have the increased costs of manufacturing and transportation etc passed to them as end users.

Add my need to drive almost 100 miles per day too and from work and all I get too choose to drive down price or needs are items I do not need. No I won’t buy a new this or that trinket or new electronics or add on too the home as we can make due with what we have. We need fuel. We need cheap energy. We conserve due price. Cost too us !

I see no relief until we stop the export, rid ourselves of these ridiculous energy taxes and use what we have for America first.

I have ideas, good or bad yet hate too see the goobermint step in and control ANYTHING !

Seriously considering starting a Bio Diesel Club !

Meet one weekend a month to make our own fuel.....I get an average 23 mpg in my truck.


36 posted on 03/20/2008 12:23:26 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Uncledave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo

The link is of a man who accidentally stumbled upon the separation and ignition of hydrogen molecules from saltwater utilizing low powered radio frequencies.

We have the technology now to produce hydrogen vehicles.

There is no need to keep debating OIL. Sure, there are hurdles that must be overcome, but America can do it.

We have vehicles that already have fuel cell technology, why not begin creating infrastructure and vehicles that burn this cheap, limitless energy source.

37 posted on 03/20/2008 12:25:23 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Uncledave

Nuclear power:
1.) The Simpsons cartoon show—not a PBS documentary.
2.) We harnessed it 60 years ago.
3.) Even the French can do it.
Or we can keep looking forward to the next OPEC—BO,HICA!


38 posted on 03/20/2008 12:28:54 PM PDT by tumblindice (C. Montgomery Burns isn't a real person.)
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To: Realism
That article was talking about the very recent short term.

If you haven't noticed, oil prices have been falling this week.

If you are interested in the longer term pricing, like how we got above $80 dollar a barrel, then you should compare over the time frame that occurred.

As for the source, you will notice the source of the data in the article is the EIA, the data source I linked.

39 posted on 03/20/2008 12:29:39 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Realism
That article was talking about the very recent short term.

If you haven't noticed, oil prices have been falling this week.

If you are interested in the longer term pricing, like how we got above $80 dollar a barrel, then you should compare over the time frame that occurred.

As for the source, you will notice the source of the data in the article is the EIA, the data source I linked.

40 posted on 03/20/2008 12:29:39 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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