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Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama and the Unacceptability of Truth (Hurl Alert)
Lip ^ | March 18, 2008 | Tim Wise

Posted on 03/20/2008 12:17:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

For most white folks, indignation just doesn't wear well. Once affected or conjured up, it reminds one of a pudgy man, wearing a tie that may well have fit him when he was fifty pounds lighter, but which now cuts off somewhere above his navel and makes him look like an idiot.

Indignation doesn't work for most whites, because having remained sanguine about, silent during, indeed often supportive of so much injustice over the years in this country--the theft of native land and genocide of indigenous persons, and the enslavement of Africans being only two of the best examples--we are just a bit late to get into the game of moral rectitude. And once we enter it, our efforts at righteousness tend to fail the test of sincerity.

But here we are, in 2008, fuming at the words of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--occasionally Barack Obama's pastor, and the man whom Obama credits with having brought him to Christianity--for merely reminding us of those evils about which we have remained so quiet, so dismissive, so unconcerned. It is not the crime that bothers us, but the remembrance of it, the unwillingness to let it go--these last words being the first ones uttered by most whites it seems whenever anyone, least of all an "angry black man" like Jeremiah Wright, foists upon us the bill of particulars for several centuries of white supremacy.

But our collective indignation, no matter how loudly we announce it, cannot drown out the truth. And as much as white America may not be able to hear it (and as much as politics may require Obama to condemn it) let us be clear, Jeremiah Wright fundamentally told the truth.

Oh I know that for some such a comment will seem shocking. After all, didn't he say that America "got what it deserved" on 9/11? And didn't he say that black people should be singing "God Damn America" because of its treatment of the African American community throughout the years?

Well actually, no he didn't.

Wright said not that the attacks of September 11th were justified, but that they were, in effect, predictable. Deploying the imagery of chickens coming home to roost is not to give thanks for the return of the poultry or to endorse such feathered homecoming as a positive good; rather, it is merely to note two things: first, that what goes around, indeed, comes around--a notion with longstanding theological grounding--and secondly, that the U.S. has indeed engaged in more than enough violence against innocent people to make it just a tad bit hypocritical for us to then evince shock and outrage about an attack on ourselves, as if the latter were unprecedented.

He noted that we killed far more people, far more innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki than were killed on 9/11 and "never batted an eye." That this statement is true is inarguable, at least amongst sane people. He is correct on the math, he is correct on the innocence of the dead (neither city was a military target), and he is most definitely correct on the lack of remorse or even self-doubt about the act: sixty-plus years later most Americans still believe those attacks were justified, that they were needed to end the war and "save American lives."

But not only does such a calculus suggest that American lives are inherently worth more than the lives of Japanese civilians (or, one supposes, Vietnamese, Iraqi or Afghan civilians too), but it also ignores the long-declassified documents, and President Truman's own war diaries, all of which indicate clearly that Japan had already signaled its desire to end the war, and that we knew they were going to surrender, even without the dropping of atomic weapons. The conclusion to which these truths then attest is simple, both in its basic veracity and it monstrousness: namely, that in those places we committed premeditated and deliberate mass murder, with no justification whatsoever; and yet for saying that I will receive more hate mail, more hostility, more dismissive and contemptuous responses than will those who suggest that no body count is too high when we're the ones doing the killing. Jeremiah Wright becomes a pariah, because, you see, we much prefer the logic of George Bush the First, who once said that as President he would "never apologize for the United States of America. I don't care what the facts are."

And Wright didn't say blacks should be singing "God Damn America." He was suggesting that blacks owe little moral allegiance to a nation that has treated so many of them for so long as animals, as persons undeserving of dignity and respect, and which even now locks up hundreds of thousands of non-violent offenders (especially for drug possession), even while whites who do the same crimes (and according to the data, when it comes to drugs, more often in fact), are walking around free. His reference to God in that sermon was more about what God will do to such a nation, than it was about what should or shouldn't happen. It was a comment derived from, and fully in keeping with, the black prophetic tradition, and although one can surely disagree with the theology (I do, actually, and don't believe that any God either blesses or condemns nation states for their actions), the statement itself was no call for blacks to turn on America. If anything, it was a demand that America earn the respect of black people, something the evidence and history suggests it has yet to do.

Finally, although one can certainly disagree with Wright about his suggestion that the government created AIDS to get rid of black folks--and I do, for instance--it is worth pointing out that Wright isn't the only one who has said this. In fact, none other than Bill Cosby (oh yes, that Bill Cosby, the one white folks love because of his recent moral crusade against the black poor) proffered his belief in the very same thing back in the early '90s in an interview on CNN, when he said that AIDS may well have been created to get rid of people whom the government deemed "undesirable" including gays and racial minorities.

So that's the truth of the matter: Wright made one comment that is highly arguable, but which has also been voiced by white America's favorite black man, another that was horribly misinterpreted and stripped of all context, and then another that was demonstrably accurate. And for this, he is pilloried and made into a virtual enemy of the state; for this, Barack Obama may lose the support of just enough white folks to cost him the Democratic nomination, and/or the Presidency; all of it, because Jeremiah Wright, unlike most preachers opted for truth. If he had been one of those "prosperity ministers" who says Jesus wants nothing so much as for you to be rich, like Joel Osteen, that would have been fine. Had he been a retread bigot like Falwell was, or Pat Robertson is, he might have been criticized, but he would have remained in good standing and surely not have damaged a Presidential candidate in this way. But unlike Osteen, and Falwell, and Robertson, Jeremiah Wright refused to feed his parishioners lies.

What Jeremiah Wright knows, and told his flock--though make no mistake, they already knew it--is that 9/11 was neither the first, nor worst act of terrorism on American soil. The history of this nation for folks of color, was for generations, nothing less than an intergenerational hate crime, one in which 9/11s were woven into the fabric of everyday life: hundreds of thousands of the enslaved who died from the conditions of their bondage; thousands more who were lynched (as many as 10,000 in the first few years after the Civil War, according to testimony in the Congressional Record at the time); millions of indigenous persons wiped off the face of the Earth. No, to some, the horror of 9/11 was not new. To some it was not on that day that "everything changed." To some, everything changed four hundred years ago, when that first ship landed at what would become Jamestown. To some, everything changed when their ancestors were forced into the hulls of slave ships at Goree Island and brought to a strange land as chattel. To some, everything changed when they were run out of Northern Mexico, only to watch it become the Southwest United States, thanks to a war of annihilation initiated by the U.S. government. To some, being on the receiving end of terrorism has been a way of life. Until recently it was absolutely normal in fact.

But white folks have a hard time hearing these simple truths. We find it almost impossible to listen to an alternative version of reality. Indeed, what seems to bother white people more than anything, whether in the recent episode, or at any other time, is being confronted with the recognition that black people do not, by and large, see the world like we do; that black people, by and large, do not view America as white people view it. We are, in fact, shocked that this should be so, having come to believe, apparently, that the falsehoods to which we cling like a kidney patient clings to a dialysis machine, are equally shared by our darker-skinned compatriots.

This is what James Baldwin was talking about in his classic 1972 work, No Name in the Street, wherein he noted:

"White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac."

And so we were shocked in 1987, when Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall declined to celebrate the bicentennial of the Constitution, because, as he noted, most of that history had been one of overt racism and injustice, and to his way of thinking, the only history worth celebrating had been that of the past three or four decades.

We were shocked to learn that black people actually believed that a white cop who was a documented racist might frame a black man; and we're shocked to learn that lots of black folks still perceive the U.S. as a racist nation--we're literally stunned that people who say they experience discrimination regularly (and who have the social science research to back them up) actually think that those experiences and that data might actually say something about the nation in which they reside. Imagine.

Whites are easily shocked by what we see and hear from Pastor Wright and Trinity Church, because what we see and hear so thoroughly challenges our understanding of who we are as a nation. But black people have never, for the most part, believed in the imagery of the "shining city on a hill," for they have never had the option of looking at their nation and ignoring the mountain-sized warts still dotting its face when it comes to race. Black people do not, in the main, get misty eyed at the sight of the flag the way white people do--and this is true even for millions of black veterans--for they understand that the nation for whom that flag waves is still not fully committed to their own equality. They have a harder time singing those tunes that white people seem so eager to belt out, like "God Bless America," for they know that whites sang those words loudly and proudly even as they were enforcing Jim Crow segregation, rioting against blacks who dared move into previously white neighborhoods, throwing rocks at Dr. King and then cheering, as so many did, when they heard the news that he had been assassinated.

Whites refuse to remember (or perhaps have never learned) that which black folks cannot afford to forget. I've seen white people stunned to the point of paralysis when they learn the truth about lynchings in this country--when they discover that such events were not just a couple of good old boys with a truck and a rope hauling some black guy out to the tree, hanging him, and letting him swing there. They were never told the truth: that lynchings were often community events, advertised in papers as "Negro Barbecues," involving hundreds or even thousands of whites, who would join in the fun, eat chicken salad and drink sweet tea, all while the black victims of their depravity were being hung, then shot, then burned, and then having their body parts cut off, to be handed out to onlookers. They are stunned to learn that postcards of the events were traded as souvenirs, and that very few whites, including members of their own families did or said anything to stop it.

Rather than knowing about and confronting the ugliness of our past, whites take steps to excise the less flattering aspects of our history so that we need not be bothered with them. So, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for example, site of an orgy of violence against the black community in 1921, city officials literally went into the town library and removed all reference to the mass killings in the Greenwood district from the papers with a razor blade--an excising of truth and an assault on memory that would remain unchanged for over seventy years.

Most white people desire, or perhaps even require the propagation of lies when it comes to our history. Surely we prefer the lies to anything resembling, even remotely, the truth. Our version of history, of our national past, simply cannot allow for the intrusion of fact into a worldview so thoroughly identified with fiction. But that white version of America is not only extraordinarily incomplete, in that it so favors the white experience to the exclusion of others; it is more than that; it is actually a slap in the face to people of color, a re-injury, a reminder that they are essentially irrelevant, their concerns trivial, their lives unworthy of being taken seriously. In that sense, and what few if any white Americans appear capable of grasping at present, is that "Leave it Beaver" and "Father Knows Best," portray an America so divorced from the reality of the times in which they were produced, as to raise serious questions about the sanity of those who found them so moving, so accurate, so real. These iconographic representations of life in the U.S. are worse than selective, worse than false, they are assaults to the humanity and memory of black people, who were being savagely oppressed even as June Cleaver did housework in heels and laughed about the hilarious hijinks of Beaver and Larry Mondello.

These portraits of America are certifiable evidence of how disconnected white folks were--and to the extent we still love them and view them as representations of the "good old days" to which we wish we could return, still are--from those men and women of color with whom we have long shared a nation. Just two months before "Leave it to Beaver" debuted, proposed civil rights legislation was killed thanks to Strom Thurmond's 24-hour filibuster speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate. One month prior, Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus called out the National Guard to block black students from entering Little Rock Central High; and nine days before America was introduced to the Cleavers, and the comforting image of national life they represented, those black students were finally allowed to enter, amid the screams of enraged, unhinged, viciously bigoted white people, who saw nothing wrong with calling children niggers in front of cameras. That was America of the 1950s: not the sanitized version into which so many escape thanks to the miracle of syndication, which merely allows white people to relive a lie, year after year after year.

No, it is not the pastor who distorts history; Nick at Nite and your teenager's textbooks do that. It is not he who casts aspersions upon "this great country" as Barack Obama put it in his public denunciations of him; it is the historic leadership of the nation that has cast aspersions upon it; it is they who have cheapened it, who have made gaudy and vile the promise of American democracy by defiling it with lies. They engage in a patriotism that is pathological in its implications, that asks of those who adhere to it not merely a love of country but the turning of one's nation into an idol to be worshipped, it not literally, then at least in terms of consequence.

It is they--the flag-lapel-pin wearing leaders of this land--who bring shame to the country with their nonsensical suggestions that we are always noble in warfare, always well-intended, and although we occasionally make mistakes, we are never the ones to blame for anything. Nothing that happens to us has anything to do with us at all. It is always about them. They are evil, crazy, fanatical, hate our freedoms, and are jealous of our prosperity. When individuals prattle on in this manner we diagnose them as narcissistic, as deluded. When nations do it--when our nation does--we celebrate it as though it were the very model of rational and informed citizenship.

So what can we say about a nation that values lies more than it loves truth? A place where adherence to sincerely believed and internalized fictions allows one to rise to the highest offices in the land, and to earn the respect of millions, while a willingness to challenge those fictions and offer a more accurate counter-narrative earns one nothing but contempt, derision, indeed outright hatred? What we can say is that such a place is signing its own death warrant. What we can say is that such a place is missing the only and last opportunity it may ever have to make things right, to live up to its professed ideals. What we can say is that such a place can never move forward, because we have yet to fully address and come to terms with that which lay behind.

What can we say about a nation where white preachers can lie every week from their pulpits without so much as having to worry that their lies might be noticed by the shiny white faces in their pews, while black preachers who tell one after another essential truth are demonized, not only for the stridency of their tone--which needless to say scares white folks, who have long preferred a style of praise and worship resembling nothing so much as a coma--but for merely calling bullshit on those whose lies are swallowed whole?

And oh yes, I said it: white preachers lie. In fact, they lie with a skill, fluidity, and precision unparalleled in the history of either preaching or lying, both of which histories stretch back a ways and have often overlapped. They lie every Sunday, as they talk about a Savior they have chosen to represent dishonestly as a white man, in every picture to be found of him in their tabernacles, every children's story book in their Sunday Schools, every Christmas card they'll send to relatives and friends this December. But to lie about Jesus, about the one they consider God--to bear false witness as to who this man was and what he looked like--is no cause for concern.

Nor is it a problem for these preachers to teach and preach that those who don't believe as they believe are going to hell. Despite the fact that such a belief casts aspersions upon God that are so profound as to defy belief--after all, they imply that God is so fundamentally evil that he would burn non-believers in a lake of eternal fire--many of the white folks who now condemn Jeremiah Wright welcome that theology of hate. Indeed, back when President Bush was the Governor of Texas, he endorsed this kind of thinking, responding to a question about whether Jews were going to go to hell, by saying that unless one accepted Jesus as one's personal savior, the Bible made it pretty clear that indeed, hell was where you'd be heading.

So you can curse God in this way--and to imply such hate on God's part is surely to curse him--and in effect, curse those who aren't Christians, and no one says anything. That isn't considered bigoted. That isn't considered beyond the pale of polite society. One is not disqualified from becoming President in the minds of millions because they go to a church that says that shit every single week, or because they believe it themselves. And millions do believe it, and see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

So white folks are mad at Jeremiah Wright because he challenges their views about their country. Meanwhile, those same white folks, and their ministers and priests, every week put forth a false image of the God Jeremiah Wright serves, and yet it is whites who feel we have the right to be offended.

Pardon me, but something is wrong here, and whatever it is, is not to be found at Trinity United Church of Christ.

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Tim Wise is the author of: White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press, 2005), and Affirmative Action: Racial Preference in Black and White (Routledge: 2005). He can be reached at: timjwise@msn.com


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Unbelievable. If Obama were to kill a girl scout troop, these people would exclaim "it's a black thing, you just don't understand!"
1 posted on 03/20/2008 12:17:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

mega barf alert.


2 posted on 03/20/2008 12:19:32 PM PDT by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The faster they spin, the deeper hole they dig.


3 posted on 03/20/2008 12:22:09 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’re just “typical white people”, we just don’t understand! “Mister” Wise’s steaming pile is beyond comment.


4 posted on 03/20/2008 12:22:57 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Conversation on race = elect me or face race riots.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy is as much and idiot as the pastor.
All whites are to blame according to their views for not only the status of the Black man but all of the worlds ills.


5 posted on 03/20/2008 12:23:35 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For most white folks, indignation just doesn't wear well.

The racism starts in the first damn sentence.

6 posted on 03/20/2008 12:24:58 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (Where are they hiding Obama’s white half?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the enslavement of Africans

Don't ascribe this to all whites. Many whites are descended from Europeans and others who had never set foot in the US until after slavery was aboloshed. Many whites are descended from Republicans, who abhored slavery.

Ascribe it to white Democrats, only.

7 posted on 03/20/2008 12:27:41 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Indignation doesn't work for most whites, because having remained sanguine about, silent during, indeed often supportive of so much injustice over the years in this country--the theft of native land and genocide of indigenous persons, and the enslavement of Africans being only two of the best examples

I admit, I was silent about slavery when it was going on during my lifetime...

8 posted on 03/20/2008 12:28:19 PM PDT by frogjerk (Hope is a theological virtue, not a campaign promise)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But here we are, in 2008, fuming at the words of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--occasionally Barack Obama's pastor

What other Church has Barry Hussein belonged to? None that I'm aware of.

9 posted on 03/20/2008 12:29:23 PM PDT by frogjerk (Hope is a theological virtue, not a campaign promise)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait, I forgot... How many years past the civil rights movement are we? This dude is not living in 2008. Last I checked, I was more discriminated against for being white than any black person I’ve ever known!


10 posted on 03/20/2008 12:29:54 PM PDT by republicanequestrian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess this guy doesn’t know the difference between being indignant and being hateful. Well, liberals aren’t known for being the sharpest knives in the drawer.


11 posted on 03/20/2008 12:30:07 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No matter what we say here, there is nothing that’s going to dislodge Blacks from their obcession with victimization and identification with slavery. Moreover, it should be abundantly clear that they can say anything they want without being held accountable for the truth of their statements. To be accountable necessarily means that they can no longer be victims.


12 posted on 03/20/2008 12:30:12 PM PDT by Eurale
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

13 posted on 03/20/2008 12:30:28 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We were shocked to learn that black people actually believed that a white cop who was a documented racist might frame a black man

I'm trying to put a face to the name here...

14 posted on 03/20/2008 12:30:35 PM PDT by frogjerk (Hope is a theological virtue, not a campaign promise)
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To: frogjerk

Black relativism and egalitarianism on full display.


15 posted on 03/20/2008 12:32:59 PM PDT by Eurale
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please, pleeeeeeeease, keep up this line of defense.


16 posted on 03/20/2008 12:34:03 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Tim Wise is a major league AH. Check out his bio. I’ve been reading his stuff for years and he’s always wrong.


17 posted on 03/20/2008 12:41:13 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You do realize this pablum is penned by a 40 year old self-hating white guy, don’t you?


18 posted on 03/20/2008 12:45:47 PM PDT by Darnright
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To: Darnright
"You do realize this pablum is penned by a 40 year old self-hating white guy, don’t you?"

Yeah, I figured that someone who wrote: "White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son" might be Caucasian...

19 posted on 03/20/2008 12:47:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: Eurale

I’m tired of black people who try to make me feel guilty about being white, about being “the child of slavemasters”. I’m too busy trying to work and make money to pay taxes so those of them who like being perpetually on welfare can continue to be a Democrat Automatic Voting Bloc and live in the pit that welfare, idleness, degenerate behavior and the Democrat Party keeps them in. My congratulations to all black folks who work hard and make lives for themselves. They’re too busy to loll around the churches like Obama attends, knocking and condemning Whitey. They’re too busy, also, upkeeping the militant, trashy ones of their own community who aren’t worth a flip. Lincoln was a Republican as were many others who helped the Civil Rights movement - unlike many of their “benefactors” in the Democrat Party such as Senator KKK Byrd (D) and Algore’s Daddy who voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act. The black community is naive to stick with that Party that has been taking them for granted for decades.


20 posted on 03/20/2008 12:48:31 PM PDT by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT !!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’d also exclaim that the girl scouts ‘had it coming.’


21 posted on 03/20/2008 12:49:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Pardon me, but something is wrong here, and whatever it is, is not to be found at Trinity United Church of Christ.”{

Yeah, something is definitely wrong here. What’s wrong is that the most fortunate black people on earth, who enjoy incomes and opportunities that blacks on most every other parts of the world can only dream of (and do dream of), but these fortunate black people would rather wallow in self-pity and fritter away many opportunities rather than “act white” and take education seriously, and take seriously the responsibility for raising the children they bring into the world.

Blacks in America, who have never been slaves and most of whom never lived in the pre-civil rights era in the US, rather than getting serious about education, would rather blame whites for all their problems when their current problems are overwhelmingly created by the 70% illegitimate birth rate and high (40%?) school drop out rate, and high involvement in crime rate, and the moronic street cred nonsense that has all to many young blacks involved in gangs and the self-destructive “No snitching” campaigns and considering every minor slight as some “diss” that must be revenged.

At least one black guy was honest enough to put things in real perspective a few years back, the Washington Post reporter who’d just returned from a trip to Africa and said: “Thank God, I had an ancestor brought to the United States of America as a slave.”

But as long as there are black “leaders” of the sort that wrote this article, some blacks will continue to wallow in self-pity and blame everyone but themselves for their problems, while the last immigrant to enter the US legally or illegally, from any part of the world, will soon be more prosperous than many 10th generation descendants of slaves. This writer is just one more excuse maker and blame shifter who is of no help to the black community.

I know that a good portion of black Americans have rejected the self-pity, blame whitey cop out. But I don’t know what the breakdown might be.


22 posted on 03/20/2008 12:56:37 PM PDT by Will88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>Yeah, I figured that someone who wrote: “White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son” might be Caucasian...<

Yep, he was born in 1968, when all the good protests and riots were going on. He’s just ticked off he missed all the action. What’s that term Savage uses for this guy’s ilk? Oh yeah, “red diaper doper baby”.


23 posted on 03/20/2008 12:57:10 PM PDT by Darnright
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whoever predicted a repeat of the 1968 DIM convention with race riots could be safe where we are heading...


24 posted on 03/20/2008 12:59:49 PM PDT by frogjerk (Hope is a theological virtue, not a campaign promise)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“White People” don’t have to say anything because this is a free country and no one is holding down the “black man”. Anyone in America can work where they want if they’re qualified. They can live where they want within their financial means. Anyone can get a higher education at any university that accepts them. Credit card companies don’t ask race.


25 posted on 03/20/2008 12:59:56 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
because having remained sanguine about, silent during, indeed often supportive of so much injustice over the years in this country--the theft of native land and genocide of indigenous persons, and the enslavement of Africans being only two of the best examples--we are just a bit late to get into the game of moral rectitude.

Speak for yourself, asswipe.

26 posted on 03/20/2008 1:01:27 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Darnright
I was eight years old that year: I saw Bobby Kennedy at Disneyland the day before he was assassinated in Los Angeles. My father was almost killed in the Watts riots when the construction crew he was working with was assaulted by “youths” on the first day. Remember how smelly and stupid the hippies were? This kid didn't miss anything worth missing.
27 posted on 03/20/2008 1:02:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: Darnright

BTW, I know the Watts Riots were in 1965, I was speaking of the 60’s in general...


28 posted on 03/20/2008 1:04:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A typical liberal rant trying to justify their Hate America philosophy, Only America was settled by force. All the other countries in the world just peacefully settled without any conflict. He can write, but he can't think...Wise is not wise
29 posted on 03/20/2008 1:34:24 PM PDT by Edgerunner (At the heart of every absurdity, lies a liberal.)
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To: frogjerk
But here we are, in 2008, fuming at the words of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--occasionally Barack Obama's pastor...

Occasional; as in only on Sundays.

30 posted on 03/20/2008 1:46:06 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
OK, OK, Wise we get it.

How much money do you want and how do you want it distributed?

31 posted on 03/20/2008 2:06:29 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Tim Wise's
ZNet HomePage

Tim Wise is the Director of the newly-formed Association for White Anti-Racist Education (AWARE) in Nashville, Tennessee. He lectures across the country about the need to combat institutional racism, gender bias, and the growing gap between rich and poor in the U.S. Wise has been called a "leftist extremist" by David Duke, "deceptively Aryan-looking" by a member of the Ku Klux Klan, and "the Uncle Tom of the white race," by right-wing author, Dinesh D' Souza. Whatever else can be said about him, his ability to make the right kind of enemies seems unquestioned.

SOURCE

32 posted on 03/20/2008 2:25:31 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The more these black racist #$^#^$ attempt to defend the indefensible -the more they reveal themselves as the James H. Coneheads they've become....

For those in Rio Linda -- James H. Cone is the black racist, anti_Christian and anti-America "theologian" who dreamed up "Black Liberation Theology".......

One of his clearest proclamations of "faith" is:

......"the "black liberation theology" of scholars such as James Cone, who regard Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people" who will only accept a god who assists their aim of destroying the "white enemy.""

"If God is not for us and against white people," writes Cone, "then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community."

33 posted on 03/20/2008 2:47:03 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do you know anyone who was in the 2nd Div with Rev Wright when he was in the USMC?


34 posted on 03/22/2008 10:40:10 PM PDT by flicker
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